'14 NY DT Thomas Holley (Florida Verbal)

[ChiRish]

Perhaps without a Louis Nix, Notre Dame should consider getting out of the 3-4 and back into a 4-3. Certainly, it would help in recruitment this year. It wasn't very difficult to place the seed of uncertainty into Eddie's head. And, Vanderdoes eloquently(without words) told this coaching staff that it ain't me, babe, I'm not the one you're looking for. There is no one on the present roster, or in the next class, that can replace Nix. Alabama emphatically demonstrated to the Notre Dame coaching staff that they don't know their arse from a hole in the ground!

Tad bit much, wouldn't you say?

 

[RuntheBall]

Perhaps without a Louis Nix, Notre Dame should consider getting out of the 3-4 and back into a 4-3. Certainly, it would help in recruitment this year. It wasn't very difficult to place the seed of uncertainty into Eddie's head. And, Vanderdoes eloquently(without words) told this coaching staff that it ain't me, babe, I'm not the one you're looking for. There is no one on the present roster, or in the next class, that can replace Nix. Alabama emphatically demonstrated to the Notre Dame coaching staff that they don't know their arse from a hole in the ground!

Bob Dyaln misquote?


"No, no, no, it ain't me babe. It ain't me you're lookin' for, babe."

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Tad bit much, wouldn't you say?

I am thinking that there was a major coaching blunder in the Bama game. The down linemen inverted with the linebackers. The linebackers didn't adjust. But that was a stunt that the best coach in college football saw. I don't know if anyone else would have, or if it would have mattered. So that part is true, the NC was much more on the coaches than the players.

But to say that the coaches don't know their asses from holes in the ground? Name me a coach or a staff that has adjusted to the big-time college game faster than Kelly? Because there is none. And this goes for those of you who pick ND 8-4 or 9-3; you don't know the defensive furry that the ND staff is whipping up to release this year. With last years experience plus more maturity at 9 out of 11 positions. Now, pass me a hit of that.

 

[irishog77]

I am thinking that there was a major coaching blunder in the Bama game. The down linemen inverted with the linebackers. The linebackers didn't adjust. But that was a stunt that the best coach in college football saw. I don't know if anyone else would have, or if it would have mattered. So that part is true, the NC was much more on the coaches than the players.

But to say that the coaches don't know their asses from holes in the ground? Name me a coach or a staff that has adjusted to the big-time college game faster than Kelly? Because there is none. And this goes for those of you who pick ND 8-4 or 9-3; you don't know the defensive furry that the ND staff is whipping up to release this year. With last years experience plus more maturity at 9 out of 11 positions. Now, pass me a hit of that.

Bob Stoops, Gene Chizik, Jim Tressel, Urban Meyer...

 

[clashmore_mike]

GENE CHIZIK????????????????????????

 

[irishog77]

GENE CHIZIK????????????????????????

Last I checked, he's won more natties than Brian Kelly at the D1 level (you know, the level we actually care about). He did it in his 2nd year. So yeah, I'd say he "adjusted the the big-time college game" pretty fast.

 

[md_bennett]

Chizik....you mean Cam Newton because without superman Chizik has never had a good year. In fact if you take that one good year away his HC resume is 24-38. I do not believe that qualifies as big time coaching.

 

[Luckylucci]

Perhaps without a Louis Nix, Notre Dame should consider getting out of the 3-4 and back into a 4-3. Certainly, it would help in recruitment this year. It wasn't very difficult to place the seed of uncertainty into Eddie's head. And, Vanderdoes eloquently(without words) told this coaching staff that it ain't me, babe, I'm not the one you're looking for. There is no one on the present roster, or in the next class, that can replace Nix. Alabama emphatically demonstrated to the Notre Dame coaching staff that they don't know their arse from a hole in the ground!

The majority of your post had a lot of valid points but the bolded part is just silly. Our coaching staff won multiple awards last year for a reason and a lot of players got awards or honors for their play as well. The stage was too big for everybody. Motta and Teo missed tackles left and right. If it was purely coaching, the experts wouldn't have hammered Teo for his play, they are experts for a reason and would have blamed Kelly and Diaco. I posted this after the game when people were calling for Kelly and Diaco's head. Motta had at least a few chances to makes plays in the backfield or at the line of scrimmage that he blew, that ended up going for big gains. What should diaco do there? Not put him in position to make that play. Its on everybody not just coaches, not just players. If they haven't earned your respect yet then not sure what will. Nobody liked watching that game but some choose to deal with it better. Sorry for the rant, hope everybody has a great 4th!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Bob Stoops, Gene Chizik, Jim Tressel, Urban Meyer...

Exactly, except for Chizik who obviously didn't win with any kind of coaching acumen.

And, in each case those other three guys took over a program in much better shape than Kelly did. Interesting that two are Buckeye coaches. Their exploits speak for themselves!

Would you take any of the three over Kelly?

 

[irishog77]

Chizik....you mean Cam Newton because without superman Chizik has never had a good year. In fact if you take that one good year away his HC resume is 24-38. I do not believe that qualifies as big time coaching.

Again, he has something that Kelly and the rest of the ND world would love to have.

Whatever the circumstances of auburn's title, GC adjusted to big time football pretty quick.

 

[notredomer23]

Again, he has something that Kelly and the rest of the ND world would love to have.

Whatever the circumstances of auburn's title, GC adjusted to big time football pretty quick.

he didn't though, because if he did he would have maintained some kind of success. Going 7-5 and then 3-9 is not adjusting. Also he had 3 seasons at Iowa State where he went 5-19. Bad coach, who was the product of a once in a lifetime player.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Hard to call cam newton once in a lifetime when Texas had one jus like him less than a decade ago

 

[notredomer23]

Hard to call cam newton once in a lifetime when Texas had one jus like him less than a decade ago

Cam Newton> Vince Young

Vince Young had ten times the supporting cast that Newton had.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Again, he has something that Kelly and the rest of the ND world would love to have.

Whatever the circumstances of auburn's title, GC adjusted to big time football pretty quick.

he adjusted so quickly that 2 years after his title his team went 3-9 (0-8) and he is no longer in coaching.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

he didn't though, because if he did he would have maintained some kind of success. Going 7-5 and then 3-9 is not adjusting. Also he had 3 seasons at Iowa State where he went 5-19. Bad coach, who was the product of a once in a lifetime player.

Yeah Chizak is out of there. The only one that remains that did what Kelly did with anywhere near the integrity Kelly's staff has is Bob Stoops. And I still wouldn't take him over Brian Kelly.

I don't care how many games you win in the horseshoe or the swamp, those guys are scum, as are the programs that promoted them, so they are out of the running, too.

 

[LoveThee]

So how bout that Thomas Holley guy?

 

[irishog77]

Exactly, except for Chizik who obviously didn't win with any kind of coaching acumen.

And, in each case those other three guys took over a program in much better shape than Kelly did. Interesting that two are Buckeye coaches. Their exploits speak for themselves!

Would you take any of the three over Kelly?

I'd argue OU was in pretty bad shape when Stoops took over. Better or worse than when BK took over? It's certainly debatable either way.

As for your question, that's tough to answer. Chizik and Tressel- no. Urbie- dude's a piece of ****...but he knows how to recruit and win. So he's a maybe. If it comes down to winning, then definitely yes. If it comes down to representing the entire school and program, then probably not. Stoops is tough. He's been slaughtered by coaching departures over the years and despite all their success, OU still mainly recruits regionally (few exceptions for CA, NV, and elsewhere). Not to cop-out on an answer here, but I'd probably be fine with Kelly or Stoops. I wouldn't out-and-out say "yeah, I want Stoops over Kelly," but if BK left tomorrow and Stoops came in to replace him, I'd be fine with that.

 

[Luckylucci]

One season is no way to judge a coach. He was 2-10 in 2008 at Iowa State before getting the job at Auburn. The college football world was baffled he got the job. Since 2007 he is 38-38, BK is 61-17.

 

[irishog77]

he didn't though, because if he did he would have maintained some kind of success. Going 7-5 and then 3-9 is not adjusting. Also he had 3 seasons at Iowa State where he went 5-19. Bad coach, who was the product of a once in a lifetime player.

he adjusted so quickly that 2 years after his title his team went 3-9 (0-8) and he is no longer in coaching.

Gene Chizik went 7-5 (I think) and 14-0 in his first 2 years coaching at a major school. He won an sec and national title. Bogs original question was Name me a coach or a staff that has adjusted to the big-time college game faster than Kelly? Nothing more, nothing less. If you can't accept, despite what may or may not have happened AFTER that, that GC did a pretty damn good job of "adjust[ing]," then frankly, you're either being argumentative or stupid-- neither of which I care to engage in today.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Gene Chizik went 7-5 (I think) and 14-0 in his first 2 years coaching at a major school. He won an sec and national title. Bogs original question was Name me a coach or a staff that has adjusted to the big-time college game faster than Kelly? Nothing more, nothing less. If you can't accept, despite what may or may not have happened AFTER that, that GC did a pretty damn good job of "adjust[ing]," then frankly, you're either being argumentative or stupid-- neither of which I care to engage in today.

ok fine, I'll agree he adjusted to the big time quickly by winning a bidding war for Cam Newton if you'll agree he is a mediocre at best HC who was quite fortunate to have Malzahn as his OC to take advantage of Newton's abilities.

 

[irishog77]

ok fine, I'll agree he adjusted to the big time quickly by winning a bidding war for Cam Newton if you'll agree he is a mediocre at best HC who was quite fortunate to have Malzahn as his OC to take advantage of Newton's abilities.

Yeah, I won't argue the merits of GC as a great head coach...just that he adjusted quickly.

 

[md_bennett]

I won't argue that he did have a quick NCG win. Nor will I argue that Stoops did a good job.

So how bout that Thomas Holley guy?

And yes, do want. I want him yesterday!

 

[Buster Bluth]

ok fine, I'll agree he adjusted to the big time quickly by winning a bidding war for Cam Newton if you'll agree he is a mediocre at best HC who was quite fortunate to have Malzahn as his OC to take advantage of Newton's abilities.

Exactly. Mediocre coaches do win championships. He is one, Larry Coker is another. If you're playing with a stacked deck you can win a lot of games, but its still impossible to sustain it.

 

[PANDFAN]

The 6-foot-4, 303-pound defensive tackle says he does have a few schools sticking out, but is still open to the teams recruiting him.

"I don't really have my schools ranked out, but I have schools that I like," he said. "Penn State is definitely one of them. Probably Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida and Florida State. Most of the schools I have visited. A few schools are ahead, but I'm not going to put them out there."

insider

 

[NDWorld247]

The 6-foot-4, 303-pound defensive tackle says he does have a few schools sticking out, but is still open to the teams recruiting him.

"I don't really have my schools ranked out, but I have schools that I like," he said. "Penn State is definitely one of them. Probably Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida and Florida State. Most of the schools I have visited. A few schools are ahead, but I'm not going to put them out there."

insider

Was he talking to a Penn State reporter?

 

[PANDFAN]

Was he talking to a Penn State reporter?

Tom VanHaaren

Reporter for WolverineNation
Covers Michigan Wolverines recruiting
Joined ESPN in 2011

 

[rtrn2glory]

Cam Newton> Vince Young

Vince Young had ten times the supporting cast that Newton had.

Seriously?

Dud u watch the 2006 rose bowl? Ask Matt Leinart an Reggie bush why they didn't win that game

 

[irishog77]

Haha- andy in sactown neg repped me!

 

[Luckylucci]

Sampson said during II's last podcast that he was hearing PSU would be our biggest competition going forward.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Sampson said during II's last podcast that he was hearing PSU would be our biggest competition going forward.

Just like Ishaq.

I expect 5am coffee to be had.