'14 IL ILB Nyles Morgan (Notre Dame Signee)

[koonja]

Sometimes when you grow up in an area of concentrated fans, if you're friends/family are of the annoying type, it can turn you against that team.

I live in Wisconsin, and always kind of liked the Packers, but their fans are totally intolerable lately and I now route against them.

Not saying that's the case, but just cause he's in ND's backyard and his Dad's a fan doesn't mean he's a fan.

 

[stlnd01]

Sometimes when you grow up in an area of concentrated fans, if you're friends/family are of the annoying type, it can turn you against that team.

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Not saying that's the case, but just cause he's in ND's backyard and his Dad's a fan doesn't mean he's a fan.

Yep. And a lot of 18-year-olds don't necessarily want to do what they're "supposed" to do which, who knows, may be how this kid feels about Notre Dame. I'm not sure how that translates into going to Ole Miss or Vandy, though.

 

[NDWorld247]

Yep. And a lot of 18-year-olds don't necessarily want to do what they're "supposed" to do which, who knows, may be how this kid feels about Notre Dame. I'm not sure how that translates into going to Ole Miss or Vandy, though.

There's a strong pull at his school (and all over the ****ing country) to play in the SEC. I blame ESPN.

 

[STLDomer]

This is from TJ last week ICYMI

We'd love to get Morgan, but he's shown inconsistent interest and effort in visiting ND. He'd fit and I do think he knows that deep down, but whether he wants to fit is up to him. It isn't a lack of effort on our part. He'd be great at ND.

There's a lot of "interesting advice" being thrown around a number of visible Chicagoland prospects in recent years. We have good intel on this. It's a shame, really, but I suppose it's easier and plays better to some to make ND the "villain" here.

Sometimes when you grow up in an area of concentrated fans, if you're friends/family are of the annoying type, it can turn you against that team.

I live in Wisconsin, and always kind of liked the Packers, but their fans are totally intolerable lately and I now route against them.

Not saying that's the case, but just cause he's in ND's backyard and his Dad's a fan doesn't mean he's a fan.

Yeah I ****ing hate Mizzou

 

[koonja]

Yeah I ****ing hate Mizzou

At least Mizzou isn't very good right now.

Everyone here is walking around with Aaron Rogers induced boners. Man I wish SF would have drafted him.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Visiting as a kid is nothing like visiting as a recruit. Look at Michigan's recruiting, Drake Harris and Malik McDowell have visited Michigan a TON of times. If he was really interested in ND he'd be visiting more often. TJ on II has pointed out that he has shown inconsistent interest in visiting ND. Him not visiting this spring or summer is a huge red flag IMO

No one is debating that. You said that "if he were really interested he'd take an OV". The point people are trying to make is that local kids say that all the time about their local school, and they still end up signing with their local schools, even without OV'ing that school. I can't tell you how many times SoCal kids say they are going to take their OV's out of state and visit UCLA and USC unofficially so that they don't waste any OV's on schools within 20 miles of their house. Happens all the time.

I think we all agree that Nyles is lukewarm at best about ND, and that something will have to change in his recruitment for us to have a legit chance...

 

[STLDomer]

No one is debating that. You said that "if he were really interested he'd take an OV". The point people are trying to make is that local kids say that all the time about their local school, and they still end up signing with their local schools, even without OV'ing that school. I can't tell you how many times SoCal kids say they are going to take their OV's out of state and visit UCLA and USC unofficially so that they don't waste any OV's on schools within 20 miles of their house. Happens all the time.

I think we all agree that Nyles is lukewarm at best about ND, and that something will have to change in his recruitment for us to have a legit chance...

This isn't the same as what you're talking about though, he has no plans to OV or unofficial visit.

 

[NDinL.A.]

This isn't the same as what you're talking about though, he has no plans to OV or unofficial visit.

Like I said, I'm just talking about what you originally wrote and what people were trying to tell you. Whether he will visit unofficially or not had nothing to do with your OP. People were responding to this, and giving you their explanations:

Told ISD his interest in ND is a 7 and he probably won't OV since its so close and he's been there so many times.

Unless I'm missing something he hasn't been to ND "many times". If he was really interested he'd take an OV

 

[Old Man Mike]

I went with my Dad to Notre Dame when I was a twelve year old kid, and that experience was powerfully imprinting.

Just saying.... people are different. We need to stop insisting that they be just like us.

LA is correct: the more germane thing here is his actual quote rating ND only a "7". That's pretty luke warm. He could have said "8-to-9" and still had room for other "higher sentiments" for other schools.

 

[STLDomer]

Like I said, I'm just talking about what you originally wrote and what people were trying to tell you. Whether he will visit unofficially or not had nothing to do with your OP. People were responding to this, and giving you their explanations:

Yeah I know what I said and I know what others said and stand by what I originally said, If he (Nyles Morgan, not other local kids) was really interested he'd take an OV.

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah I know what I said and I know what others said and stand by what I originally said, If he (Nyles Morgan, not other local kids) was really interested he'd take an OV.

But that's not true. For example, I'm fairly certain that David Perkins never took an OV to Notre Dame because he was local... but was obviously "really interested" by virtue of being committed for 5 months before academics reared their ugly head.

 

[STLDomer]

But that's not true. For example, I'm fairly certain that David Perkins never took an OV to Notre Dame because he was local... but was obviously "really interested" by virtue of being committed for 5 months before academics reared their ugly head.

But i don't care what other local kids or past prospects do, I'm talking about Nyles Morgan. That's just my opinion based on his recruitment

 

[STLDomer]

Dad was rocking a Vandy hat today. Mr. Morgan likes ND more than Nyles per Wiltfong

 

[NDinL.A.]

But i don't care what other local kids or past prospects do, I'm talking about Nyles Morgan. That's just my opinion based on his recruitment

That's fine, and I'm talking about Nyles Morgan too. And based on everything I have read and heard about him, it would show that he was interested in ND if he took an official visit OR an unofficial visit. Makes no difference to me, as long as he gets here and shows he's interested.

BTW, the guy that interviewed him, Sean Mele, agrees with this sentiment.

 

[rtrn2glory]

How dare their be a difference of opinion on a message board. Insanity!!!!

 

[ryno 24]

It is frustrating because he would be a great inside backer at ND. Fast and can fly around the field and can hit. Thanks

 

[NDinL.A.]

It is frustrating because he would be a great inside backer at ND. Fast and can fly around the field and can hit. Thanks

For real. And local too.

Oh well, not everyone was meant for ND, nor to even like ND.

 

[Grahambo]

That's fine, and I'm talking about Nyles Morgan too. And based on everything I have read and heard about him, it would show that he was interested in ND if he took an official visit OR an unofficial visit. Makes no difference to me, as long as he gets here and shows he's interested.

BTW, the guy that interviewed him, Sean Mele, agrees with this sentiment.

So..what you're saying is..if someone visits a school, regardless of an OV or not, that person has interest? WHAT!? Get out of here. I thought you only had to be on an OV to have interest.

 

[STLDomer]

So..what you're saying is..if someone visits a school, regardless of an OV or not, that person has interest? WHAT!? Get out of here. I thought you only had to be on an OV to have interest.

Cool dude

 

[Grahambo]

Cool dude

Have a laugh dude.

 

[cody1smith]

This is from TJ last week ICYMI

Yeah I ****ing hate Mizzou

Could not agree more, I cant wait for the tigers to win 4 games this season!!!

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Hes been to ND as a recruit.

Some kids just dont like ND, there is not a thing wrong with it. Theres thousands of kids in each class, and hundreds of visits and scholarships offered by ND each year....and what happens, they sign 20-25 kids each year. You are going to have kids interested in ND, and kids that aren't.

Also, as far as kids staying locally....I wouldn't say Chicago is local to South Bend. Is it closer than 90% of the roster...yes. But that also answers why he has no interest at all. Tommy Rees, Scott Daly, Davaris Daniels Christian Lombard, and Chris Watt are the only scholarship players from the Chicago area. Chicago kids arent coming to ND.

If ND was getting Chicago kids on the regular, it may be more alarming.

At the sametime, to say he taking ND serious bc he isnt taking an OV, or another unofficial is a bit pre-mature. Its July. When ND has another season like last year, it changes things, and visits happen. It wasn't too long ago, Greg Bryant, Max Redfield, Tarean Folston, and Eddie Vanderdoes werent even considering Notre Dame and yet they magically took officials to ND when all were less than a "7" interested in ND at this time last year.

Its def cliche..

Its a marathon, not a sprint.


CHILL.

 

[NDWorld247]

This guy should have followed up with, "do you plan on visiting again?". Really poor questioning at the end.

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[IrishLax]

Hes been to ND as a recruit.

Some kids just dont like ND, there is not a thing wrong with it. Theres thousands of kids in each class, and hundreds of visits and scholarships offered by ND each year....and what happens, they sign 20-25 kids each year. You are going to have kids interested in ND, and kids that aren't.

Also, as far as kids staying locally....I wouldn't say Chicago is local to South Bend. Is it closer than 90% of the roster...yes. But that also answers why he has no interest at all. Tommy Rees, Scott Daly, Davaris Daniels Christian Lombard, and Chris Watt are the only scholarship players from the Chicago area. Chicago kids arent coming to ND.

If ND was getting Chicago kids on the regular, it may be more alarming.

At the sametime, to say he taking ND serious bc he isnt taking an OV, or another unofficial is a bit pre-mature. Its July. When ND has another season like last year, it changes things, and visits happen. It wasn't too long ago, Greg Bryant, Max Redfield, Tarean Folston, and Eddie Vanderdoes werent even considering Notre Dame and yet they magically took officials to ND when all were less than a "7" interested in ND at this time last year.

Its def cliche..

Its a marathon, not a sprint.


CHILL.

What? Chicago isn't local to South Bend? It is closer to South Bend than any other FBS school besides Northwestern. Closer than University of Illinois, etc. To say Chicago isn't local to South Bend would be like saying a kid from Atlanta isn't local to the University of Georgia or a kid from Wilmington isn't local to the University of North Carolina. It's nonsensical. Simply put, ND is as close to Chicago as it gets for major college football and we've historically always had a number of Chicago student athletes on the roster.

Heck, Chicago is more local to ND than Fort Wayne or Indianapolis............

 

[Sherm Sticky]

What? Chicago isn't local to South Bend? It is closer to South Bend than any other FBS school besides Northwestern. Closer than University of Illinois, etc. To say Chicago isn't local to South Bend would be like saying a kid from Atlanta isn't local to the University of Georgia or a kid from Wilmington isn't local to the University of North Carolina. It's nonsensical. Simply put, ND is as close to Chicago as it gets for major college football and we've historically always had a number of Chicago student athletes on the roster.

Heck, Chicago is more local to ND than Fort Wayne or Indianapolis............

Agree...But, Auburn is more local to Atlanta than Athens Georgia.

 

[IrishLax]

Agree...But, Auburn is more local to Atlanta than Athens Georgia.

I thought they were pretty equidistant? Maybe even a bit further to Auburn, AL?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Shouldn't it be alarming that ND isn't getting Chicago kids, not that since we aren't getting them this shouldn't be alarming?

 

[IrishLax]

Bottom line is the acceptance of "Chicago kids just aren't coming to ND" is bull. Pure, unadulterated defeatist bull. Chicago kids have always come to ND. In football, other sports, and the general student populous. I swear to God ~20-25% of the school is from the Chicago suburbs.

We have always recruited Chicago well; especially relative to any other singular city/region. We have at least a recruit or two every year from Chicago... we already have Weishar committed in this class... and I can't think of any other city/suburbs that we draw as much talent from routinely as Chicago. It's our backyard. When a Chicago kid wants to stay close to home, we're the second closest school to Northwestern and BY FAR the closest "big time" football school.

You cannot just forget about a major city and talent trove in your backyard. That makes no sense. Ignoring Morgan for a second who seems like a unique case for a number of reasons, it's a disturbing trend that many of the "elite" prospects coming out of Chicago seem to have little initial interest in ND and lots of interest in the SEC (or even USC). Do they just want to flee the snow? Or is it more of a groundswell issue with ND having a bad rap at the youth levels and they're pre-disposed against ND? Is Core6 really that big of a thorn or just a manifestation of a larger issue?

Either way I reject that's it OK for ND to "not be getting Chicago kids on the regular" and that it isn't "alarming." The real question is whether it's rectifiable or not.

 

[IrishLax]

Shouldn't it be alarming that ND isn't getting Chicago kids, not that since we aren't getting them this shouldn't be alarming?

Neatly put.

 

[LoveThee]

I think moving Chuck Martin out and putting another assistant in charge of Chicagoland would go a long way.

To echo Lax and GITF, missing out on talent from a huge city that is so close is not good at all