Bryant could easily pass up Atkinson because Atkinson is a one trick pony, all he has is speed. Now I hope he developed into a complete running back during the off-season but we don't know if he did. And Amir Carlisle is injury prone. Bryant isn't red shirting and I wouldn't be surprised if he is the starting back in some games this year
'11 CA RB Amir Carlisle (Notre Dame Football Player)
- Thread starter DirtySecret
- Start date
Bryant could easily pass up Atkinson because Atkinson is a one trick pony, all he has is speed. Now I hope he developed into a complete running back during the off-season but we don't know if he did. And Amir Carlisle is injury prone. Bryant isn't red shirting and I wouldn't be surprised if he is the starting back in some games this year
GoldenToTheGrave
Well-known member
- Messages
- 1,907
- Reaction score
- 772
I personally see Mahone getting reps over Bryant.
Irish8248
Well-known member
- Messages
- 1,993
- Reaction score
- 879
Cierre and Armando were one trick ponies as well their soph years. Cierre couldn't hit a hole to save his life and both were easily tackled if you touched a fabric on their uniform... But you're right, like I've said the whole time, if he jumps someone or there's an injury, he's getting more touches and will not rs.... However, this discussion is based on Amir healthy and GA being more involved. That would make Bryant at least third in the rotation. When this first came up months ago, Amir wasn't expected to start, many assumed Bryant would be #1 because of reasons you stated.. Now we have the coaches, players, and posters saying Amir will be the feature. We have coaches saying GA has packed on weight/muscle and is beginning to act like a complete back. If one of these players weren't making progress, Bryant could easily jump. But now hell have a 2.5 week training camp to absorb a playbook, intricacies of the offense, and put himself ahead of one of the other big two.
It's a good situation to be in IMO.
kmoose
Banned
- Messages
- 10,298
- Reaction score
- 1,181
You also don't redshirt based on the depth chart. You put the guys on the field that give you the best chance of winning. If a freshman getting 3, 4, 5 carries a game gives you the best chance to win, then that's the way you play it.
P
PraetorianND
Guest
Gunner?
UmphreakDomer
Well-known member
- Messages
- 1,006
- Reaction score
- 71
i think it's just extremely too early to speculate the RB position.
regardless of how anything has been done before, or who is still on the roster.
the biggest question to me, is who will be best at blitz pick up and who's going to put their hat on someone.
tangible evidence. GA3 has a ridiculous YPC because of a small handful of big runs. it's still possible he has a little fumble-itis. can he catch? can he block? can he blitz pick up?
Amir, in all honesty, is exciting to think about (and see in small little snippits) but the fact is, he has missed something like 17 or 18 of a total of 24 or 25 eligible games. bad luck? bad genes? too early to tell.
Mahone--no tangible evidence, from spectators observation. Red Zone threat only? ground and pound to kill clock? plus, all of the other questions--hands, catch, block, blitz? how's he do?
Cam--what do you say? hard worker. shifty. can hard work steal from "talent"?
2 legitimate feature backs coming in--how do they assimilate. how game ready are they? how quick do they understand offensive concepts...and again, to me, most important thing--is blitz pick up. you cant put your hat on that OLB--you arent going to play. plain and simple. on top of that--grades, homesick, practice, etc.
in short--we dont know much because none of these guys have proven ANYTHING. GA3 has the most experience and i still have more questions than answers to feel comfortable.
it's time to separate what we "really hope"--as fans and from being emotional from watching these kids since they were juniors in high school, from what is the statistical and eye test answers to who give us the greatest chance to be successful and ave. over 3.5 per play, with limited to no turnovers and will help the passing game beyond their hands.
regardless of how anything has been done before, or who is still on the roster.
the biggest question to me, is who will be best at blitz pick up and who's going to put their hat on someone.
tangible evidence. GA3 has a ridiculous YPC because of a small handful of big runs. it's still possible he has a little fumble-itis. can he catch? can he block? can he blitz pick up?
Amir, in all honesty, is exciting to think about (and see in small little snippits) but the fact is, he has missed something like 17 or 18 of a total of 24 or 25 eligible games. bad luck? bad genes? too early to tell.
Mahone--no tangible evidence, from spectators observation. Red Zone threat only? ground and pound to kill clock? plus, all of the other questions--hands, catch, block, blitz? how's he do?
Cam--what do you say? hard worker. shifty. can hard work steal from "talent"?
2 legitimate feature backs coming in--how do they assimilate. how game ready are they? how quick do they understand offensive concepts...and again, to me, most important thing--is blitz pick up. you cant put your hat on that OLB--you arent going to play. plain and simple. on top of that--grades, homesick, practice, etc.
in short--we dont know much because none of these guys have proven ANYTHING. GA3 has the most experience and i still have more questions than answers to feel comfortable.
it's time to separate what we "really hope"--as fans and from being emotional from watching these kids since they were juniors in high school, from what is the statistical and eye test answers to who give us the greatest chance to be successful and ave. over 3.5 per play, with limited to no turnovers and will help the passing game beyond their hands.
Walter White
New member
- Messages
- 733
- Reaction score
- 61
Great post.
B
Bogtrotter07
Guest
Excelent post, in other words:
Dave Casper
Stated thirdly, you never know how it is going to go with any given player at any given time. You just hope to play the best eleven. And it is a coaches job to do that at the time.
Now this year I expect to see special player groupings on offense. Maybe on defense too. This would be a good way to confuse other teams and get more players in to see action.
Golden Glory
New member
- Messages
- 130
- Reaction score
- 6
Amir will likely get his share of reps in the slot also.
Folston is my darkhorse pick at RB.
Folston is my darkhorse pick at RB.
ThePiombino
The OG "TP"
- Messages
- 16,476
- Reaction score
- 6,245
Regardless, bringing the QB position into that conversation makes no sense. There is only 1 QB getting reps (typically) throughout the year - compared to almost any other position which not only has multiple players on the field on the same time, but also 2nd team coming in to spell, due to injury, or score board. Just can't compare QBs red-shirting to any other position on the field.
IrishJayhawk
Rock Chalk
- Messages
- 7,181
- Reaction score
- 464
Agreed. And RBs tend to be able to contribute more quickly than many other positions...certainly more quickly than QBs.
FightingIrishLover7
All troll, no substance
- Messages
- 12,703
- Reaction score
- 7,514
The only place I could possibly see folston starting is at the theo position...
No way he could carry the majority of the reps. I don't think his body is ready for that yet.
Ironman8
Jaqen H'ghar
- Messages
- 11,652
- Reaction score
- 902
Mike Frank on ISD was actually asked this question this morning, so he posed to question to his sources in the program and they responded that Amir is "fully healthy".
O
returnofthemack
New member
- Messages
- 1,798
- Reaction score
- 128
Fantastic. hopefully he can stay that way throughout the season.
Domina Nostra
Well-known member
- Messages
- 6,251
- Reaction score
- 1,388
Not to be dramatic, but I think Amir is the key to a strong start ot our season. I think he will be the early difference maker with GAIII and Bryant stepping up as the season progresses.
GoldenIsThyFame
Well-known member
- Messages
- 10,899
- Reaction score
- 789
Can you ask if he will be fully healthy 2 1/2 months from now? K thanx bye.
Ironman8
Jaqen H'ghar
- Messages
- 11,652
- Reaction score
- 902
PANDFAN
Look Down
- Messages
- 16,770
- Reaction score
- 2,278
His health will be fine, if we hold him out of practice.
BobD
Can't get no satisfaction
- Messages
- 7,918
- Reaction score
- 1,034
This is his last full season of play, isn't it?
H
HereComeTheIrish
Guest
Looks like the tackling is being attempted by members of a retirement community. Holy hell. Didn't anyone get the memo that shuffleboard wasn't until 2:30?
dshans
They call me The Dribbler
- Messages
- 9,624
- Reaction score
- 1,181
Careful now, whippersnapper. We Gray Panthers can be formidable foes --- when not distracted by Bingo, Canasta, Dominoes or other such things.
tko
I am Legend
- Messages
- 8,516
- Reaction score
- 1,710
Cocoon
dublinirish
Everestt Gholstonson
- Messages
- 27,308
- Reaction score
- 13,086
too many white guys in opposition there!
