CONFIRMED: Golson No Longer Enrolled At ND

[Luckylucci]

Bk said that Golson isn't even worried about football right now, he's only concerned with academics and getting back to ND. And that is from conversations he's had with Golson.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I can only imagine the treatment he was getting from the students and community for what he did on the field this season. I'm sure he is chomping at the bit to be a king on campus again.

 

[Kak7304]

Bk said that Golson isn't even worried about football right now, he's only concerned with academics and getting back to ND. And that is from conversations he's had with Golson.

Good to hear. I hope he learned his lesson and comes back to ND with a revitalized passion for the game AND school.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Is there anything more concrete from Golson himself that he wants to come back, other than the quote from the:

"Sources indicate that Golson is expected to be back at ND".

To play devils advocate, this doesn't say it's from Golson. ND could be expecting Golson back, whereas Golson is entertaining all options.

Not going to lie, I'd feel a lot more confident if Golson came out and said "I want to be back and ND and I'm going to do everything I can to make that happen. Playing for another school isn't even on my mind". Or something along those lines.

How many times do you need him to do that? Because it was pretty clear from the statement he released right after the news broke that he wants and intends to return to ND. I don't have the quotes in front of me, but you can look it up as easily as I can.

 

[vmgsf]

Kelly talking to the media about Golson's plans, to me, is a very positive sign. Golson made a serious mistake but he did not rob or murder another human being. Possibly part of Golson's penance is to keep a very low profile, keep his nose to the grindstone, take care of business and let Kelly talk to the media.

 

[BGIF]

Is there anything more concrete from Golson himself that he wants to come back, other than the quote from the:

"Sources indicate that Golson is expected to be back at ND".

To play devils advocate, this doesn't say it's from Golson. ND could be expecting Golson back, whereas Golson is entertaining all options.

Not going to lie, I'd feel a lot more confident if Golson came out and said "I want to be back and ND and I'm going to do everything I can to make that happen. Playing for another school isn't even on my mind". Or something along those lines.

Yes there was was a something concrete from Golson himself which included the WHO, WHAT, WHY, and WHEN.

Were you out of the Country on May 26th or are you just playing second fiddle to phork's shabby raining on your parade act?

From Golson's Statement, widely published to the media:

I have been informed by the University of Notre Dame that due to my poor academic judgment that I have been suspended from the University for the 2013 Fall Term. I take full responsibility for my poor choices and will do all that is asked of me to regain the trust of my family, friends, teammates, coaches and the entire Notre Dame community.

SUSPENDED for the 2013 Fall Term.

Suspended for a semester, not expelled never to return.

At this point, I understand how my integrity could be in question but I want to reassure my supporters that through this experience I will return a better student athlete as well as a better individual.

I WILL RETURN!

A little more wordy than MacArthur but just as effective unless the reader in purposely obtuse.

Lastly, I want to thank the University of Notre Dame for the opportunity already granted and also the opportunity going forth to regain my eligibility in the winter of 2014.

REGAIN MY ELIGIBILITY IN THE WINTER OF 2014

There's the mutual schedule.


That's the most concrete statement I've ever seen from any ND student sent home to get their act together. I don't recall Ross Browner and the rest of the train publicly taking responsibility for their actions, acknowledging the opportunity to return, and the intent to do so 40 years ago nor anyone else since. Julius Jones acknowledged he was academically deficient and would remedy that and be back. Most choose the "personal problem" routine and ducked behind FERPA. Golson acknowledged his peccadillo and clearly stated his and the school's schedule for his return.

It's been 3 weeks. Is his supposed to file weekly progress reports for you?

Stop the sophomoric B.S

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I think it is now safe to say that Golson said he is coming back.

 

[koonja]

Yes there was was a something concrete from Golson himself which included the WHO, WHAT, WHY, and WHEN.

Were you out of the Country on May 26th or are you just playing second fiddle to phork's shabby raining on your parade act?

From Golson's Statement, widely published to the media:



SUSPENDED for the 2013 Fall Term.

Suspended for a semester, not expelled never to return.




I WILL RETURN!

A little more wordy than MacArthur but just as effective unless the reader in purposely obtuse.




REGAIN MY ELIGIBILITY IN THE WINTER OF 2014

There's the mutual schedule.


That's the most concrete statement I've ever seen from any ND student sent home to get their act together. I don't recall Ross Browner and the rest of the train publicly taking responsibility for their actions, acknowledging the opportunity to return, and the intent to do so 40 years ago nor anyone else since. Julius Jones acknowledged he was academically deficient and would remedy that and be back. Most choose the "personal problem" routine and ducked behind FERPA. Golson acknowledged his peccadillo and clearly stated his and the school's schedule for his return.

It's been 3 weeks. Is his supposed to file weekly progress reports for you?

Stop the sophomoric B.S

Ok, I should have been more clear. Yes, it appears (I'll touch on this below) as he's saying he will come back to ND. What I SHOULD have said that it's naive to put much weight into the immediate statement of someone who's been shamed in the public eye because the first thing that comes out is to save face.

He's not going to come out and say 'I'm sorry to everyone I've let down, and after this fall, I'll be ready to explore my options and find what schools would be best for me from here on out'.

Again, playing devil's advocate, some of the wording is ambiguous:

So you guys are right, he did say that he 'will come back a better student' (one could argue he's talking about being a college student in general, regardless of where he ends up). And he did say he's 'grateful for everything ND has done and is happy that he has the opportunity to regain eligibility'. Key phrase - opportunity to regain his eligibility. Almost anyone has the 'opportunity' to become eligible at ND. 1) doesn't mean they'll take that opportunity (i.e., apply to the school), and 2) doesn't mean he/she will get in.

Maybe he's vague at the time because both he and ND weren't sure if he could come back at the time. But to my original point, after all of the disasters that have happened, maybe I'm just expecting the worse, which is why I said I'd feel a lot better if he came out (again, not really putting much into his original statement - he's been dead quiet since - at least to the public) and said 'I will do everything I can to be at ND, that's the only place I want to be'.

But it's not about me and making 'kuehnja' on Irishenvy.com comfortable, so he doesn't owe it to me or anyone else. Just saying I'd feel more confident that he will in fact be back if he would say something to the media after being removed from the initial statement.

Now, back to my beating .

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Ok, I should have been more clear. Yes, it appears (I'll touch on this below) as he's saying he will come back to ND. I should have said that it's just hard to put much weight into the immediate statement of someone who's been shamed in the public eye because the first thing that comes out is to save face.

He's not going to come out and say 'I'm sorry to everyone I've let down, and after this fall, I'll be ready to explore my options and find what schools would be best for me from here on out'.

Again, playing devil's advocate, some of the wording is ambiguous:

So you guys are right, he did say that he 'will come back a better student' (one could argue he's talking about being a student in general, regardless of where he ends up). And he did say he's 'grateful for everything ND has done and is happy that he has the opportunity to regain eligibility'. Key word(s) - opportunity to regain his eligibility. Almost anyone has the 'opportunity' to become eligible at ND. 1) doesn't mean they'll take that opportunity (i.e., apply to the school), and 2) doesn't mean he's getting in.

Maybe he vague at the time because both he and ND weren't sure if he could come back at the time. But to my original point, after all of the disasters that have happened, maybe I'm just expecting the worse, which is why I said I'd feel a lot better if he came out (again, not really putting much into his original statement - he's been dead quiet since - at least to the public) and said 'I will do everything I can to be at ND, that's the only place I want to be'.

But it's not about me and making 'kuehnja' on Irishenvy.com comfortable, so he doesn't owe it to me or anyone else. Just saying I'd feel more confident that he will in fact be back if he would say something to the media after being removed from the initial statement.

Now, back to my beating .

But wouldn't hiding behind the privacy protection afforded him be the best way of saving face? Couldn't he have just made an offhanded statement about how he had a sick family member or a personal issue and left it at that?

From what I can see he could have continued to lie, and Kelly or ND wouldn't have said (or been able) to say a word about it. But he didn't. He was rather straightforward, considering the situation.

And do you think he would make any "media updates?" I think that would be taboo from the ND standpoint, and certainly not in his best interest, don't you?

 

[koonja]

But wouldn't hiding behind the privacy protection afforded him be the best way of saving face? Couldn't he have just made an offhanded statement about how he had a sick family member or a personal issue and left it at that?

From what I can see he could have continued to lie, and Kelly or ND wouldn't have said (or been able) to say a word about it. But he didn't. He was rather straightforward, considering the situation.

And do you think he would make any "media updates?" I think that would be taboo from the ND standpoint, and certainly not in his best interest, don't you?

Bogs and all others - About the media statement - I'm not saying he should come out and be adamant that he will do everything in his power to go to ND. He doesn't owe it to us as fans. I'm just saying I would be more confident that he is in fact returning to ND if he was gung ho about it and said so publicly. I guarantee you that if he was up for an interview, there'd be a dozen reporters on the phone ASAP.

And I think he/we/they all learned after the Teo hoax, you don't cover things up at ND, especially if you're in the spot light.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Bogs and all others - About the media statement - I'm not saying he should come out and be adamant that he will do everything in his power to go to ND. He doesn't owe it to us as fans. I'm just saying I would be more confident that he is in fact returning to ND if he was gung ho about it and said so publicly. I guarantee you that if he was up for an interview, there'd be a dozen reporters on the phone ASAP.

And I think he/we/they all learned after the Teo hoax, you don't cover things up at ND, especially if you're in the spot light.

I do understand. But I bet if anything was communicated to Everett, if he understood anything at all, it was to keep his mouth shut and keep out of the lime-light. Doesn't that make sense, too?

 

[koonja]

I do understand. But I bet if anything was communicated to Everett, if he understood anything at all, it was to keep his mouth shut and keep out of the lime-light. Doesn't that make sense, too?

Yes, it does.

But if he knows 100% and has communicated to the staff that ND is the only place he wants to be, then there's really no reason to keep quiet, right? At least there's no harm in telling a reporter 'I'm definitely going to do everything to get back to ND. I'm not considering any other school right now.'

He's probably just keeping hush because he's not sure how ND will handle his re-elegibility. And this is the right move for Golson IFF he/they are unsure if he can make it back in.

 

[Grahambo]

Yes, it does.

But if he knows 100% and has communicated to the staff that ND is the only place he wants to be, then there's really no reason to keep quiet, right? At least there's no harm in telling a reporter 'I'm definitely going to do everything to get back to ND. I'm not considering any other school right now.'

He's probably just keeping hush because he's not sure how ND will handle his re-elegibility. And this is the right move for Golson IFF he/they are unsure if he can make it back in.

Why are you causing an argument when none is needed?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Yes, it does.

But if he knows 100% and has communicated to the staff that ND is the only place he wants to be, then there's really no reason to keep quiet, right? At least there's no harm in telling a reporter 'I'm definitely going to do everything to get back to ND. I'm not considering any other school right now.'

He's probably just keeping hush because he's not sure how ND will handle his re-elegibility. And this is the right move for Golson IFF he/they are unsure if he can make it back in.

Don't you think it has more to do with the a$$-kicking he fears when he comes back if he further pi$$es anybody off? LOL!

 

[koonja]

Why are you causing an argument when none is needed?

This isn't an 'argument'. If this is an argument, 98% of this boards posts are arguments. I'm just backin my opinion and I have no problem with anyone who has a different one than mine.

And it's the off season!

 

[Grahambo]

This isn't an 'argument'. If this is an argument, 98% of this boards posts are arguments. I'm just backin my opinion and I have no problem with anyone who has a different one than mine.

And it's the off season!

Backing your opinion with a bunch of hypotheticals? Look, I'm all for arguing and debating on this board but all you're doing is throwing out hypotheticals and baseless ideas. It's dumb.

BGIF cleared everything up. Move on to something productive.

 

[GoIrish41]

I'm not a ND alum, but I'd like to hear the opinions of those who are ... after getting caught cheating, do you want Golson to come back? I understand his value to the team, but the integrity of the school (bigger than football) I so often read about on this site would lead me to believe that some might not welcome him back with open arms.

 

[koonja]

Don't you think it has more to do with the a$$-kicking he fears when he comes back if he further pi$$es anybody off? LOL!

I doubt it. I'd guess that it's because he's still not certain he'll clear academics. Once he learns more about the process and his chance of getting in, well know more.

 

[koonja]

Backing your opinion with a bunch of hypotheticals? Look, I'm all for arguing and debating on this board but all you're doing is throwing out hypotheticals and baseless ideas. It's dumb.

BGIF cleared everything up. Move on to something productive.

What hypotheticals? My main points are:

Immediately after the issue went public, there was an ambiguous and necessary public statement by golson.

We haven't heard anything from golson since.

ND is a not easy to get into.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I doubt it. I'd guess that it's because he's still not certain he'll clear academics. Once he learns more about the process and his chance of getting in, well know more.

And, don't kid yourself, once we see the "cast of characters" performance this year, we will know even more. In fact, I say that will be the gold standard in this conversation, as much as I hate to admit it.

If one of the quarterback options this year, just tears everyone up, (especially if it is someone with eligibility), no one is going to give a shiit about EG. Now if Tommy tears up enough to win big and neither of the other options place or show, and EG does what he needs to do, EG comes back and all is forgive. Pardon me for being a little cynical.

 

[Grahambo]

Maybe he's vague at the time because both he and ND weren't sure if he could come back at the time.

I guarantee you that if he was up for an interview, there'd be a dozen reporters on the phone ASAP.

And I think he/we/they all learned after the Teo hoax, you don't cover things up at ND, especially if you're in the spot light.

But if he knows 100% and has communicated to the staff that ND is the only place he wants to be, then there's really no reason to keep quiet, right? At least there's no harm in telling a reporter 'I'm definitely going to do everything to get back to ND. I'm not considering any other school right now.'

He's probably just keeping hush because he's not sure how ND will handle his re-elegibility. And this is the right move for Golson IFF he/they are unsure if he can make it back in.

Hypotheticals.

My give a **** meter just ran out on this topic.

 

[koonja]

Hypotheticals.

My give a **** meter just ran out on this topic.

So did mine, lol. I won't respond to this topic anymore, maybe I'm just paranoid.

 

[Rhode Irish]

It is unbelievable that someone could read Golson's statement as ambiguous. There is absolutely nothing ambiguous about it, as BGIF capably demonstrated. This is now just you digging in on a stupid position. Is there a chance that he could say what he said in his statement and still not end up back at ND? Of course. But he could also have a press conference once a week, as you apparently would prefer, and something could still change before he actually re-enrolls.

 

[koonja]

It is unbelievable that someone could read Golson's statement as ambiguous. There is absolutely nothing ambiguous about it, as BGIF capably demonstrated. This is now just you digging in on a stupid position. Is there a chance that he could say what he said in his statement and still not end up back at ND? Of course. But he could also have a press conference once a week, as you apparently would prefer, and something could still change before he actually re-enrolls.

You're way too excited about this.

I don't put much weight in the initial statement following a negative event. You seem to. I have my opinion, and you have yours. Id like to hear more after the immediate statement, thats all. I have no problem with your opinion os. The subject, in fact, I welcome it and am glad you shared.

Not to sound like NdinLA, but if you have a problem with that, that's a you problem.

 

[Emcee77]

Hypotheticals.

My give a **** meter just ran out on this topic.

lol

It is unbelievable that someone could read Golson's statement as ambiguous. There is absolutely nothing ambiguous about it, as BGIF capably demonstrated. This is now just you digging in on a stupid position. Is there a chance that he could say what he said in his statement and still not end up back at ND? Of course. But he could also have a press conference once a week, as you apparently would prefer, and something could still change before he actually re-enrolls.

hear hear

I'm not a ND alum, but I'd like to hear the opinions of those who are ... after getting caught cheating, do you want Golson to come back? I understand his value to the team, but the integrity of the school (bigger than football) I so often read about on this site would lead me to believe that some might not welcome him back with open arms.

Yes, I definitely want him back. See OMM's post #1056 in this thread for the reason why.

Kids make mistakes. Football players in particular are under a tremendous amount of pressure, which makes them make mistakes. We should make them pay for those mistakes, but we should also forgive them and help them learn from the experience so they become better people in the end.

I'm totally ok with Golson serving a very public semester suspension and then coming back a wiser and more mature man.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Not to sound like NdinLA, but if you have a problem with that, that's a you problem.

My favorite line! Said to a ref one time and he T'd me up lol.

But listen, I'm with the others...it's too soon for Golson to talk to a reporter. He gave a statement, and is doing the exact thing he's supposed to do...staying low. He shouldn't be talking to reporters yet. And EVERYTHING I'm hearing and reading points to EG coming back.

Also, I think the whole EG got ratted out by a classmate thing is untrue as well. I had lunch with a mod from ISD a week and a half ago (#humblebrag) and he heard something different than that, from a pretty good source. And then yesterday on ISD, a respected poster had a buddy who golfed with BK in a foursome posted that BK said it was something different as well. (The poster asked the mods that it be taken down, so the thread was nuked.) So all that handwringing over the student snitch sounds like it was for nought.

Oh, and BK also said to those folders that EG will definitely be back.

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

golsons last few games even though it was against pretty bad defenses. I would put those stats up with any sophomore in the nation. If he can put it all together he will be great.

 

[Grahambo]

My favorite line! Said to a ref one time and he T'd me up lol.

But listen, I'm with the others...it's too soon for Golson to talk to a reporter. He gave a statement, and is doing the exact thing he's supposed to do...staying low. He shouldn't be talking to reporters yet. And EVERYTHING I'm hearing and reading points to EG coming back.

Also, I think the whole EG got ratted out by a classmate thing is untrue as well. I had lunch with a mod from ISD a week and a half ago (#humblebrag) and he heard something different than that, from a pretty good source. And then yesterday on ISD, a respected poster had a buddy who golfed with BK in a foursome posted that BK said it was something different as well. (The poster asked the mods that it be taken down, so the thread was nuked.) So all that handwringing over the student snitch sounds like it was for nought.

Oh, and BK also said to those folders that EG will definitely be back.

Nevertheless...don't be a snitch.

 

[Rhode Irish]

You're way too excited about this.

I don't put much weight in the initial statement following a negative event. You seem to. I have my opinion, and you have yours. Id like to hear more after the immediate statement, thats all. I have no problem with your opinion os. The subject, in fact, I welcome it and am glad you shared.

Not to sound like NdinLA, but if you have a problem with that, that's a you problem.

Who is excited? I just don't understand your nonsensical position on this. It makes no sense. You said you wish Golson would say X. It is pointed out to you that Golson has already said X. Instead of saying "oh, OK. I was wrong. Cool." you continue to make this dumb argument out of pure stubbornness. That's your prerogative, I suppose, but it has nothing to do with anyone being excited.

 

[NDohio]

I'm not a ND alum, but I'd like to hear the opinions of those who are ... after getting caught cheating, do you want Golson to come back? I understand his value to the team, but the integrity of the school (bigger than football) I so often read about on this site would lead me to believe that some might not welcome him back with open arms.

I think that an institution, with a Christian foundation, should probably look at that whole Grace thing a little differently than you suggest here.