'10 IL QB Tommy Rees (Notre Dame Man)

[alohagoirish]

Tommy has regressed in results NOT necessarily in his skills----

Since the PITT game teams have played him a certain way and he cannot solve that nor can Kelly solve it for him---

BYU had a good defense in 2012 but we should have won that game easily--IMHO if Rees had gone wire to wire in 2012 forget 12-0 and we go 9-3 or 8-4---losses to PITT/Oklahoma/USC / Stanford-

Tommy is what he is, from the Tulsa game through the BYU game---defensive schemes have changed and we have not dealt with it well for his case----

Something will change during the summer/ fall IMO---if Kelly simply resigns himself to tommy's limitations and the sluggish ineffectual offense that will flow from that--OUCH-----expect a lot of turnovers--a lot of 3 and outs--the defense to be on the field MUCH MORE and with POORER field position---and a BUNDLE of losses.

I find it hard to accept that coach doesn't realize this--afterall that's why we went with a redshirt frosh over tommy to begin with last year---

However it starts, tommy will NOT be the starter after 6 or seven games unless we have come up with some creative MIX of all 3 QBs that gives the offense some scope--some unpredictability--some hope to be effective.

Irrespective of our strong defense --they cannot be on the field all game every game and we have to score points to win games! Tommy with all his familiar weapons eifert/Floyd/theo/cierre---was marginal at best in his ability to push the offense forward---without those guys and breaking in new guys--OUCH!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I really do hope Rees does well, but that's hope. Reality is "he'll do something spectacular, and who knows in what direction."</p>— edsbs (@edsbs) <a href="https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/342712369945915393">June 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Assuming Rees is our starter all season long, he'll either lead us to a BCS bowl victory, or Interceptions, Sacks and Tears™.

 

[Kak7304]

Time for some of you to get a little realistic.

Tommy's last four starts or nearly complete games---

Against Stanford 2011---tommy went--6 for 13 for 60 yards 0 TD 1 INT & he was lifted
Against FSU-----2011--tommy went--16 for 27 for 160 yards--1 TD 2 Ints & he was lifted

Against Michigan 2012--tommy went 8 for 11 for 115 yards--0 TD--0 INT---We needed 6 turnovers to squeeze out a win.

Against BYU 2012---tommy went 7 for 16 for 117 yards--1 TD--1 INT---we needed an overtime & a superior defensive effort to squeeze out a win.


So in the last four games with big playing time, Tommy has gone in total--

37 for 67 for 452 yards 2 TDs and 4 INTs that's a QB rating of TOTAL CRAP!

Remember against TULSA in 2010 in tommy's first outing he went 33-54 for 337 yards 4 Tds and 3 INTs

Against Michigan in 2011 tommy's first START in 2011---tommy went 27 for 39 for 330 yards 3 Tds and 2 INTs'


Tommy Rees is an unusual case of regression---

Tommy played better in his first 6 games then he has in his last four by a wide margin.

Ever since the PITT game (2011) teams have figured Rees out---and those who expect that to change because he is a year older or because we have a good defense are living in FANTASYLAND IMHO!

We just cannot do much better then 8-5 with tommy going wire to wire. I think coach will do something to mix things up before we get into those first few games---if its going to be sink or swim with tommy then remember to bring a life preserver!!

You have to remember, this past season, Golson was getting most of the reps with the 1st team so Tommy didn't get as much timing and familiarity with the offensive personnel. The offensive strategy and playcalling was to protect the ball and let the defense win the game, so these stats aren't very telling either way. You're also leaving out a rushing TD against Mich this year from his starts.

 

[ACamp1900]

This whole thing is just odd though... maybe I missed something but why state all three would compete and then name a starter before practice... hwat has changed from then to now???

 

[chubler]

Kelly's never been a master of mystery with his press conferences- remember the fieldturf comments?

anyways, I think Tommy's the right choice at this point. We know what we're working with, and what teams will bring against it, from the get-go (unlike 2011 or 2012), so Kelly can start figuring out how to beat it. I'd expect to see a lot more plays like that jet sweep we used so much against BYU this season.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Spencer Hall just posted an article on Brian Kelly titled "BRIAN KELLY KNOWS WHAT DANGER IS":

Brian Kelly woke up and walked right past the toothbrush, eyeing it. Daring it to hop from the porcelain cradle and scrape the bacteria off his sparkling white teeth. It wouldn't, because it and the rest of the world were cowards.

Brian Kelly made some eggs. He uses butter in the pan. Like, a whole stick, because butter is delicious, and because eggs are alive, love to swim, and prefer the sweet buoyancy of 100% real butter.

Brian Kelly then set off a whole pack of firecrackers in his living room, and DVR'd everything on eight channels.

"Are you sure you want to proceed without checking available space?"

Brian Kelly hit confirm, and then did a jumping split kick without bothering to warm up or stretch. Recording conflicts could kiss his torn hamstring.

Brian Kelly texted the whole way into work. He didn't even look up once, and may have missed a few traffic lights, but this was a train, and the world his tracks. Clear way, or get tossed like a cow getting plowed by the Western Continental steaming across the plains.

He got a second breakfast at McDonald's, and put the lidless coffee in his lap and sped toward the speed bumps. The burn reminded him he was alive. The stains matched his hair. The universe's plans are never faulty, he thought. He shot the middle finger at an Indiana State Trooper as hard as he could turning onto the highway. He smiled.

A reminder to pay his mortgage popped up on his iPhone.

PAY THIS, LEECHES.

An IPhone clattered to the ground on a lonesome stretch of Indiana highway, spitting glass in all directions as it shattered. He smiled, and sped toward campus with boiling coffee splattering everywhere. The CHECK ENGINE light came on. He stopped the car.

He poured the rest of his coffee on the engine.

Consider yourself checked, bitch.

He stopped and stared directly at the sun for two minutes before walking into the office, because your mother doesn't know anything about what eyes are capable of enduring.

He stepped into his office and sat down to his computer. No, he did not want to back up any purchases made on his account. No, he was not going to stop smoking in his office. With two cigarettes in his mouth, he fumed away as he made lurid searches on his company computer. He refused your Linkedin request. ALL OF THEM.

He put on a DVD of Burn Notice and sat with horrendous posture.

His secretary battered at the door.

"Coach, you know how bad smoking is for you, right? Right, coach?"

Kelly exhaled, and remembered last night.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>At event in Michigan on Wednesday, Brian Kelly names Tommy Rees the <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23NotreDame">#NotreDame</a> QB starter. Story now with audio: <a href="http://t.co/pNA8kLU6ao" title="http://trib.in/191rBa2">trib.in/191rBa2</a></p>— Brian Hamilton (@ChiTribHamilton) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiTribHamilton/status/342689876497547264">June 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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"Is it, Sandy? Who really knows what's dangerous around here?" he yelled. He held a Nerf gun to his head, spinning barrels that weren't there. Who really wants to find out what dangerous really is this fall?

 

[RyCo1983]

Spencer Hall just posted an article on Brian Kelly titled "BRIAN KELLY KNOWS WHAT DANGER IS":

That was incredible and ridiculous...

 

[NDdomer2]

this reminds me of spring ball where the starters are either most experienced or oldest. Tommy is both so as of now he is starter.

 

[rocket66]

Someone needs to put together a Tommy Rees highlight video to get us all amped up for the season

 

[WestCoast]

Spencer Hall just posted an article on Brian Kelly titled "BRIAN KELLY KNOWS WHAT DANGER IS":

It looks like Brian Kelly... dare I say?

(Dare, Dare!)

has joined team reckless!

 

[NDinL.A.]

Tommy has regressed in results NOT necessarily in his skills----

Since the PITT game teams have played him a certain way and he cannot solve that nor can Kelly solve it for him---

BYU had a good defense in 2012 but we should have won that game easily--IMHO if Rees had gone wire to wire in 2012 forget 12-0 and we go 9-3 or 8-4---losses to PITT/Oklahoma/USC / Stanford-

Tommy is what he is, from the Tulsa game through the BYU game---defensive schemes have changed and we have not dealt with it well for his case----

Something will change during the summer/ fall IMO---if Kelly simply resigns himself to tommy's limitations and the sluggish ineffectual offense that will flow from that--OUCH-----expect a lot of turnovers--a lot of 3 and outs--the defense to be on the field MUCH MORE and with POORER field position---and a BUNDLE of losses.

I find it hard to accept that coach doesn't realize this--afterall that's why we went with a redshirt frosh over tommy to begin with last year---

However it starts, tommy will NOT be the starter after 6 or seven games unless we have come up with some creative MIX of all 3 QBs that gives the offense some scope--some unpredictability--some hope to be effective.

Irrespective of our strong defense --they cannot be on the field all game every game and we have to score points to win games! Tommy with all his familiar weapons eifert/Floyd/theo/cierre---was marginal at best in his ability to push the offense forward---without those guys and breaking in new guys--OUCH!

So tell me...what's the better option? Hendrix? You mean the guy that Tommy has beaten out 3 straight years running? I'd LOVE for it to be Hendrix, but he can't even beat out the guy that you say sucks.

Zaire? Are you serious? This was a kid who was raw coming out of high school, with an elongated motion, who has never played a snap of college football outside of playing a vanilla defense that can't touch him in practice. And you want him to go out and play in front of 108,000 rabid fans at the Big House, against a Mattison defense that will be so convoluted it will make your head spin? Hell ****ing no do I want to heap that on the kid.

Face it, Rees is our best shot at winning. He's not a great QB by any means, but he proved last year that he won't make mistakes to kill us, and he'll let the defense win games. And when he has to make plays (Stanford, Purdue), he does have the ability to make them. I'd much rather have Golson of course (I argued for him all last off-season), but Rees is our best chance of winning (and keeping this recruiting class together).

Ease Zaire in, mix in Hendrix, but Tommy has to be the guy until he craps out or Zaire forces BK to play him by his stellar play...

 

[Kak7304]

So tell me...what's the better option? Hendrix? You mean the guy that Tommy has beaten out 3 straight years running? I'd LOVE for it to be Hendrix, but he can't even beat out the guy that you say sucks.

Zaire? Are you serious? This was a kid who was raw coming out of high school, with an elongated motion, who has never played a snap of college football outside of playing a vanilla defense that can't touch him in practice. And you want him to go out and play in front of 108,000 rabid fans at the Big House, against a Mattison defense that will be so convoluted it will make your head spin? Hell ****ing no do I want to heap that on the kid.

Face it, Rees is our best shot at winning. He's not a great QB by any means, but he proved last year that he won't make mistakes to kill us, and he'll let the defense win games. And when he has to make plays (Stanford, Purdue), he does have the ability to make them. I'd much rather have Golson of course (I argued for him all last off-season), but Rees is our best chance of winning (and keeping this recruiting class together).

Ease Zaire in, mix in Hendrix, but Tommy has to be the guy until he craps out or Zaire forces BK to play him by his stellar play...

Well said. I'd also add that a true freshman would want to go out there and make plays and would be less likely to have the maturity to rely on his defense.

 

[koonja]

So tell me...what's the better option? Hendrix? You mean the guy that Tommy has beaten out 3 straight years running? I'd LOVE for it to be Hendrix, but he can't even beat out the guy that you say sucks.

Zaire? Are you serious? This was a kid who was raw coming out of high school, with an elongated motion, who has never played a snap of college football outside of playing a vanilla defense that can't touch him in practice. And you want him to go out and play in front of 108,000 rabid fans at the Big House, against a Mattison defense that will be so convoluted it will make your head spin? Hell ****ing no do I want to heap that on the kid.

Face it, Rees is our best shot at winning. He's not a great QB by any means, but he proved last year that he won't make mistakes to kill us, and he'll let the defense win games. And when he has to make plays (Stanford, Purdue), he does have the ability to make them. I'd much rather have Golson of course (I argued for him all last off-season), but Rees is our best chance of winning (and keeping this recruiting class together).

Ease Zaire in, mix in Hendrix, but Tommy has to be the guy until he craps out or Zaire forces BK to play him by his stellar play...

Sadly, this is all true.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I've stayed away from this thread and topic until I could sort through how I felt about it. I've never been a Tommy guy. I wanted Crist to start in 2011, and I wanted Everett to start last year. Tommy's propensity to commit turnovers and his limited physical skills do aggravate me as a fan. But I just can't talk myself into Hendrix. I know Andrew has a weird cult following among some ND fans, but he just has never shown me anything that would make me comfortable with him being The Guy, and he has had opportunities. I think a lot of people WANT to believe that Andrew could be the answer because they're scared of what Tommy being the best QB means for our season. I don't disagree that it is a scary thought, but you have to play the best guy. I don't know what anyone could base their opinion on that Andrew is the best guy at this point.

As much as I hate to say it, Tommy does have a little bit of "it" to him. Not enough to start over a legitimately talented guy like Golson, but of the three QBs on the roster this year he clearly gives us the best chance to win. In my eyes, it isn't even close.

 

[BobD]

IMHO No middle of the road here. This will either be a great thing or a terrible thing and we'll know almost immediately.

Congratulations Tommy, good luck and GO IRISH!

 

[BGIF]

It's Offical

It's Offical

Because Sports Center said so!

Neil Everett just announced Kelly has chosen Rees to be the starting QB "Golson is gone for the season. They put up a side by side graphic of passing stats for Rees's '11 season and Golson's '12 season.

Then Neil Everett added, "Golson has the better feet and Rees the stronger arm."



Send your hate posts to Sports Center.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Tommy as the starter is fine, but this must mean that we will see a dual-QB system with either Zaire or Hendrix, most likely Zaire. Why? Because, it seems pointless to declare an open QB competition and then name your starter before practice even begins. Only reason, because he expects one of the other 2 to contribute against Temple. It's the only explanation. Tommy alone will not get it done.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Sadly, this is all true.

I do not think so, last spring the battle for the starting role was between Golson and Hendrix. Hendrix would be the starter or the 3rd Quarterback and everyone knew. Hendrix was more of a long-term choice because his insane potential (far from realized) and Rees was a better backup option because he is smarter, is more prepared and appeased, but from a starting perspective, Golson and Hendrix were the only options for the future.

Both Styles are very transparent: One has a very good potential in his arm and legs but is erratic and nervous. The other is very limited but he is smart, ready to play and has the Swagger and self-confidence needed for a QB. Choose the style you like the most, because they are very opposite.

I think, maybe, Kelly meant that Rees is the starter beginning the summer but once there, the fight is open between Rees and Hendrix.

 

[eNDzone]

I do not think so, last spring the battle for the starting role was between Golson and Hendrix. Hendrix would be the starter or the 3rd Quarterback and everyone knew. Hendrix was more of a long-term choice because his insane potential (far from realized) and Rees was a better backup option because he is smarter, is more prepared and appeased, but from a starting perspective, Golson and Hendrix were the only options for the future.

Both Styles are very transparent: One has a very good potential in his arm and legs but is erratic and nervous. The other is very limited but he is smart, ready to play and has the Swagger and self-confidence needed for a QB. Choose the style you like the most, because they are very opposite.

I think, maybe, Kelly meant that Rees is the starter beginning the summer but once there, the fight is open between Rees and Hendrix.

Has anyone stopped to think that some of his nervousness may stem from limited starting time in a 2 plays your in and then out role. If he was named the starter don't you think that would calm him and build his confidence?

 

[rocket66]

IMHO No middle of the road here. This will either be a great thing or a terrible thing and we'll know almost immediately.

Congratulations Tommy, good luck and GO IRISH!

This will exactly be the case. However I do believe the chances of being great are better than the chance of it being terrible. As a senior he has a chance to go out with a bang and lead this team to a great season without any fear of looking behind his back. For every start in his career, he (and we) knew the job was only temporary. This time he has the opportunity to go through the summer and fall camp with the confidence that the job is his and his alone. I'm expecting a huge surprise out of Tommy.

 

[Grahambo]

Im excited. No sarcasm either.


I look back at the 2004 OU Sooner team and think if Rees can have similar numbers to Jason White, ND will be just fine. I think Rees can reach 3k yards passing with 3:1 TD/INT ratio. I don't think I'm asking for anything exuberant.

 

[ThePiombino]

Im excited. No sarcasm either.


I look back at the 2004 OU Sooner team and think if Rees can have similar numbers to Jason White, ND will be just fine. I think Rees can reach 3k yards passing with 3:1 TD/INT ratio. I don't think I'm asking for anything exuberant.

You're asking for 250 passing yard/gm from a QB with no arm (thus limiting the size of the field, but not the number of defenders), throwing to a corps of receivers in which none have established themselves as game breakers. I hope you're right, but I don't see it - unless we're often playing from more than one score behind. With our defense, I don't see that either.

 

[PANDFAN]

Im excited. No sarcasm either.


I look back at the 2004 OU Sooner team and think if Rees can have similar numbers to Jason White, ND will be just fine. I think Rees can reach 3k yards passing with 3:1 TD/INT ratio. I don't think I'm asking for anything exuberant.

completely agree

You're asking for 250 passing yard/gm from a QB with no arm (thus limiting the size of the field, but not the number of defenders), throwing to a corps of receivers in which none have established themselves as game breakers. I hope you're right, but I don't see it - unless we're often playing from more than one score behind. With our defense, I don't see that either.

how many yards did tommy avg when he was the starter in 11??? around 230 a game i would imagine it was about that...davaris daniels has proven he can be the go to man and tj has certainly shown he can be dependable...

 

[BobD]

 

[Steve]

Someone needs to put together a Tommy Rees highlight video to get us all amped up for the season

I feel like that would end up resembling a Tyler Eifert highlight video.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

You're asking for 250 passing yard/gm from a QB with no arm (thus limiting the size of the field, but not the number of defenders), throwing to a corps of receivers in which none have established themselves as game breakers. I hope you're right, but I don't see it - unless we're often playing from more than one score behind. With our defense, I don't see that either.

I agree, Rees was throwing all the time to Mike and Eifert, elite mismatches who are on another level than Davaris, TJ or Niklas. I remember that underthrow against FSU in the end-zone, an easy pick who Mike turned into a TD. Eifert with the one handed catch against BC after an ugly throw, Mike's TD against Air Force.. he was very fortunate to have them.

I do not worried about his arm strenght (maybe Chris Brown is). There are a lot of examples of QB colleges who were great without arm talent (Kellen Moore). The problem with him is that he is weak in a lot of things and is very limited.

 

[Grahambo]

You're asking for 250 passing yard/gm from a QB with no arm (thus limiting the size of the field, but not the number of defenders), throwing to a corps of receivers in which none have established themselves as game breakers. I hope you're right, but I don't see it - unless we're often playing from more than one score behind. With our defense, I don't see that either.

Back in 2011 he threw for 2800 yards albeit with Mike and Ty. I'm going off the assumption that the running game can become a force coupled with a supposed balanced receiving corps. Daniels, TJ Jones, Chris Brown, Onuwalu, Robinson, Niklas, Welch, Carlisle, Atkinson, Folston, Bryant...


White and Rees are around the same size and if I remember correctly White didn't have a strong arm. They had a great D and a really good running game. Essentially, what it boils down to is Rees limiting the INT. He relied too heavily on Floyd and Eifert and it cost him at times.

If he's as mentally capable as reports say he is then with this balanced offense he has no excuse. I'm not asking him to air it out.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I feel like that would end up resembling a Tyler Eifert highlight video.

You forgot about Floyd.

 

[yankeeND]

So I've been thinking about how the decision was made so quickly to go from an open QB competition to naming Tommy QB1. Purely speculation on my part, but I think Tommy took the bull by the horns and made the team his. I don't know if it was from his leadership in the locker room or if he went to Kelly himself and asked for it. All I know is his teammates love him and Sr QB's with as much experience as he has should take the reigns. We all know what we have with Tommy, there is a lot of good to go with some inconsistencies. All that aside, take the guy with 4 years in a system with a coach like Kelly, you have a recipe for success. I really hope Tommy has made the necessary adjustments to make this work. I will rooting for him all the way to a successful be to his career at ND.

 

[GATTACA!]

Someone needs to put together a Tommy Rees highlight video to get us all amped up for the season

Ask and you shall receive. I had some free time last night so i threw this bad boy together, hope you guys enjoy.

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