'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

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Shaq Evans (irony!) and Joseph Fauria (double irony!) had pretty good years last year I believe.

But I don't know their stats to say with certainty.

I might be biased ( a lil) but I think If you leave ND and screw the opportunity up that was pretty much givin to you. You really fail before you even begin anything, and you would think that's gotta linger in these guys minds a bit? WE are the FEW
 

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Davidson pointed to the signing day snafu as a big part of this. Do we think that's true? If so... that's pretty lame. Like all kinds of lame.

No way. Mora continued to recruit EV through his personal trainer after NSD, and might have used Baylee's offer as leverage to boot. Everything coming from Davidson is Vanderdoes family PR.
 

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Losing 25% of your college football eligibility before you even participate in a practice. Wow. Oh well best of luck kid.

Next man in......a real Notre Dame man.
 

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For the first time in school history, Notre Dame opened the season with five losses, and their nine-loss season in 2007 was also a school record, but on October 6 at 8:00 pm in the Rose Bowl at Pasadena, CA on ABC the Irish won 20–6 over the #25 UCLA Bruins.
This ended one of the worst slumps in Fighting Irish football, and prevented the Irish from equaling their longest losing streak in their history.

UCLA=SLUMP Breaker

Quinn to Samardzija in '06 is my personal favorite.
 

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NBC's Keith Arnold just published an article on the Vanderdoes situation:

Eddie Vanderdoes won’t be attending Notre Dame. Both Brian Kelly and the talented defensive lineman agree on that. How the situation ever got to this point, well that’s a story most people are still trying to figure out.

Today, after a few weeks of murky details slowly coming to the surface, Vanderdoes, Notre Dame and UCLA made statements clarifying Vanderdoes’ college football future.

First the headline: Vanderdoes will be attending UCLA. But Kelly and the Irish coaching staff didn’t release Vanderdoes from his letter-of-intent, allowed Vanderdoes to enroll at school in Westwood, but keeping him off the football field for the Bruins, giving him four years to play out three seasons of eligibility.

Kelly and the Notre Dame football program released this carefully crafted statement:

“Eddie Vanderdoes will not be attending the University of Notre Dame. We did not release him from his national letter of intent in order to protect the integrity of that very important program, but we have worked with the Vanderdoes family so that Eddie can continue his education this fall at a school closer to his home. We understand Eddie’s interest in remaining closer to his family and wish him well.”

Vanderdoes, one of the top recruits in the country, has stayed mostly quiet on his desire to get out of his letter-of-intent with Notre Dame and instead attend UCLA. While promising clarity on the situation to both ESPN’s Joe Schad and the Sacramento Bee’s Joe Davidson, who seems to have had a line into the Vanderdoes family from the start of this, Vanderdoes has remained scant on the details for his change of heart, instead citing changing family circumstances.

“I would like to thank the University of Notre Dame for lifting the recruiting ban and allowing me to sign an athletic scholarship with UCLA,” Vanderdoes said via text message to the Sacramento Bee. “Over the past four months, circumstances have changed for me and my family. For very personal reasons, I feel a strong need to remain close to home and be near those who are most important in my life.

“I am honored and humbled that Note Dame thought enough of me as a person and a football player to offer me a scholarship. They have been very gracious to recognize not only how difficult a decision this was, but also how important it was for me to be near my family at this time. I take my commitments seriously, but as circumstances changed, the most important commitment is the one made to family.”

Vanderdoes, who lives six-and-a-half hours via car away from UCLA, will stay home in California, making Bruins head coach Jim Mora a happy man. After coming up just short for Vanderdoes’ signature on Signing Day, how the Bruins were able to make inroads after Vanderdoes’ letter-of-intent was signed remains to be seen, but UCLA denied any wrongdoing to the Sacramento Bee.

“We’re very excited to welcome Eddie to the Bruin family. We know what kind of quality person Eddie is,”UCLA defensive line coach and recruiting coordinator Angus McClure told the Bee. “When the recruiting ban was lifted, we were able to make contact, and he showed interest in UCLA.” :jerkit:

Just when that recruiting ban was lifted is up for debate. That date could have been as recent as the last ten days according to sources, which would make sense considering both defensive line coach Mike Elston and Kelly publicly stated that they expected to see Vanderdoes in South Bend when freshmen showed up in mid-June.

But as the Irish staff showed with high profile defectors like Aaron Lynch and Gunner Kiel, there was no chasing after a player that didn’t want to be in South Bend. Allowing Vanderdoes to get his education in Westwood, while also protecting the sanctity of the letter-of-intent seemed like the lesser of two evils, and doesn’t allow for a scary precedent to be set that would effectively force coaches to continue to recruit signed players until they show up at summer school.

The loss of the talented defensive lineman is a blow to the Irish depth chart, though one that might not be felt for a few seasons, with Louis Nix, Stephon Tuitt and Sheldon Day locked into the starting lineup this season. But expect the Irish to try and address Vanderdoes’ loss in the upcoming recruiting class, putting an added emphasis on the interior of the defensive line.

Keith is well-connected. I doubt he'd make those sorts of insinuations if he didn't believe UCLA's hands are dirty here.
 

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6th grade, City finals (top 10 or so from five elementary schools made the finals), I misspelled "stifle" with only about 5 or 6 kids left. It had been a long day and I spelled it "stiffle". I've never really gotten over it to be honest. I was very familiar with the word as my mom would always lovingly tell me to stifle when she didn't like what I had to say, but I had never really seen the word in print. No excuse. I should have known it, gone on to win the City finals and been fed to the sharks in D.C.

I'll use it in a sentence: Despite knowing better, NDWorld247 hoped the Eddie Vanderdoes thread would stifle.
 

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SI's Andy Staples just published an article on Vanderdoes and the ethical implications of the NLOI:

Notre Dame and Florida State are simply acting in their best interests here. The NLI is extremely useful to them, and if they elect not to enforce it, then they open it up to a legal challenge that could have it declared null and void forever. That's why Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly and Florida State coach Fisher have been under significant pressure from other schools to enforce the terms of the NLI on these players. Kelly gave Vanderdoes a break, lifting the recruiting ban to allow him to seek other options. Fisher hasn't done that for Thomas specifically because the issue for the Seminoles is a belief in Tallahassee that someone representing another institution that utilizes the NLI (USC) has continued to recruit Thomas in spite of the ban.

What can Thomas do? He can wait four years for the NLI to expire and then have full eligibility. He can attend another school and sit out a year before playing. Or he can go to a junior college, redshirt one year, play one year, obtain a two-year degree and play three years at the school of his choice. Of course, that school might also shove an NLI in his hand.

The smartest move for players with dozens of scholarship offers is to refuse to sign. If every player in the Rivals100 for the class of 2014 refused to sign an NLI, top-tier schools would be forced to make some difficult choices. First, they'd have to decide if they wanted to allow the best players in the country to simply go elsewhere. (They wouldn't allow that much talent to trickle down to the have-not schools -- which would happily agree to the players' terms.) Then, with their precious document neutered, would schools stick by the NLI, or would they adjust it to make it a little more reasonable?

We'll only know if the top prospects decline to sign the worst contract in American sports and demand something better.

Do you think the NCAA will investigate?

No. Unless Mora stupidly left a smoking gun somewhere, which subsequently comes to light, the NCAA won't bother.
 
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Can anyone remember a recruit who left ND to go somewhere else and doing well? #stumped??

Geonvanni Benard comes to mind. And how ND didn't land Anthony Barr is beyond me. Anzalone was all wrapped up and bailed last second. Greg Olsen is probably the best example though. Lynch, Darby, Greenberry, Shephard, etc all have the potential to have great college careers. We shall see.
 

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Davidson pointed to the signing day snafu as a big part of this. Do we think that's true? If so... that's pretty lame. Like all kinds of lame.

If that was the case, why not just sign with UCLA that day then? Was the LOI already in ND's hands before he announced? If I remember right, didn't he announce pretty late in the day?

Maybe we already had the LOI in the morning, which allowed the snafu to occur, but if not, and he was so butt-hurt over it, just sign with another school.
 

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Good lord. That Andy Staples article is begging kids to quit signing LOIs and let recruiting turn into an even bigger shitshow. WTF is he doing?????
 

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If you play football (or any other NCAA sport) you should HAVE to sign a LOI. No exceptions.

No LOI, no play. You get a ****ing free education, be loyal to that institution.
 

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If you play football (or any other NCAA sport) you should HAVE to sign a LOI. No exceptions.

No LOI, no play. You get a ****ing free education, be loyal to that institution.

And in many cases the school gets an athlete who brings much more value than the value of that education. If there are athletes who have the talent that they can successfully get a school to take them without a NLI, more power to them. Some schools will pass, some will try it out.

Schools are making millions and millions. Kids can afford to have a little power, too.
 
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LOL@ veteran posters here insisting that coach Kelly and his staff are not at fault.

They may not be the only ones at fault for all of the recent spurns the last several years, but they are without question apart of the problem.

You don't recruit guys who don't want to be apart of your program. You identify any red flags and you save your room/scholarships/time for people who you know will be 100% committed. Yes, sometimes even after doing all of your homework, some simply fall through the cracks.

But this isn't just a few slipping through the cracks. It's consistently the biggest, most valuable, most important recruits and players defecting every single season. I don't even want to go through the list of star players & star prospects this team has lost. Guys the coaching staff recruited hard. Guys the coaching staff waited on, and reserved spots for, while other more qualified candidates got past up on.

In any scouting (baseball, basketball, football, etc.) there's the mental/psychological side. YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK. You have to choose wisely what players you are going to invest in. THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL part of any player evaluation; especially in college football where so much is riding on the stability/sanity/loyalty of the kid.

ND has the resources to do their homework on kids...and figure out which prospects to simply stay away from. A lot of opportunity cost went into recruiting/coaching guys like Neal, Lynch, Vanderdoes, Anzalone, Darby, Kiel, Greenberry Shephard, etc. etc. etc. with no legitimate plan B in place when these guys left.

ND is losing the very top percentile of talent in the program, taking massive blows to their ability to compete with the upper echelon programs in college football.

Don't kid yourselves, all of these defections are going to cost ND big time in the W/L column well into the future.

I like your picture of Tim Brown. That said, every one of those defections brought with it successful recruits as well as surprise performers that few expected. The reason we had such an incredible season (yes, incredible) is because our coaching staff motivated and prepared an assortment of star caliber student athletes to play like a team. Kelly's staff did not start with Alabama benefits. They have been working their ARSES off since day one to recruit like heck for this University, covering highs and lows, picking kids with lesser stock that turn out to be gems, and striving to get those home run hitters. When you're working with teenagers and the challenge that ND requires, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. A poor coaching staff would play it conservatively and rarely take risks. A poor coaching staff would make promises that it can't keep, and tell kids that they won't have to compete for their spot or work hard on and off the field. A poor coaching staff would misrepresent the University and encourage selfish play. That is not this staff. As for defections, a player like Jaylon is a home run, and my favorite recruit from last year, but he will have to play for this University, his teammates, his community to be truly part of what ND football is at its best. I'm confident he will prove that for himself, and the coaching staff will help him along that path.
 

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I like your picture of Tim Brown. That said, every one of those defections brought with it successful recruits as well as surprise performers that few expected. The reason we had such an incredible season (yes, incredible) is because our coaching staff motivated and prepared an assortment of star caliber student athletes to play like a team. Kelly's staff did not start with Alabama benefits. They have been working their ARSES off since day one to recruit like heck for this University, covering highs and lows, picking kids with lesser stock that turn out to be gems, and striving to get those home run hitters. When you're working with teenagers and the challenge that ND requires, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. A poor coaching staff would play it conservatively and rarely take risks. A poor coaching staff would make promises that it can't keep, and tell kids that they won't have to compete for their spot or work hard on and off the field. A poor coaching staff would misrepresent the University and encourage selfish play. That is not this staff. As for defections, a player like Jaylon is a home run, and my favorite recruit from last year, but he will have to play for this University, his teammates, his community to be truly part of what ND football is at its best. I'm confident he will prove that for himself, and the coaching staff will help him along that path.

Say it loud!!
 

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This is just a shame...I don't care how this looks, but I don't wish him well at UCLA. I've never said that before for a ND player who transfered or a recruit who flipped. yes, not even Lynch.
 

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This is just a shame...I don't care how this looks, but I don't wish him well at UCLA. I've never said that before for a ND player who transfered or a recruit who flipped. yes, not even Lynch.

If you try hard enough, you can rationalize every defection up to this point. This one makes absolutely NO sense, so I see where you are coming from, and we all agree, no matter how much sweet talk some people want to continue having here.
 

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can someone please inform me what the actual problem was on signing day with eddie?
 
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can someone please inform me what the actual problem was on signing day with eddie?

His commitment was on the press release given at Kelly's press conference to introduce the players, but EV wasn't to announce until later that evening. East Coast/West coast thing.....and a big mistake by an intern. Oh well. Moving on.
 

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I believe he faxed it in the AM, but had his announcement scheduled for the evening, and the cat was let out of the bag before then or something along those lines.

It's funny though, because I remember we were all on here trying to watch the feed on pins on needles. You'd think if it was revealed earlier, somebody here would have scooped it beforehand.

*i may be wrong, but this is what my memory tells me
 

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His commitment was on the press release given at Kelly's press conference to introduce the players, but EV wasn't to announce until later that evening. East Coast/West coast thing.....and a big mistake by an intern. Oh well. Moving on.

Oh holy hell, I totally forgot about that.

Give me a frigging break. I really hope that wasn't the issue.
 
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