'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[Whiskeyjack]

Well, putting two and two together after reading BK's statement and Clash's linked Q&A, I guess we granted EV permission to contact other schools; we just didn't didn't release him from the NLI. So not sure UCLA broke any rules regarding EV.

I wouldn't go that far. Mora may have used Kylie Fitts as a go-between, instead of tampering directly. And while leveraging Baylee's scholarship would be unethical, it's not illegal. As the Q & A mentioned, specific schools can't be blocked when it comes to the NLOI. ND may have decided that lifting the recruiting ban and allowing Vanderdoes to resign while holding him to the rest of the NLOI was the least bad option available; it maintains the integrity of the NLOI with minimal PR fallout.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p>What was supposed to be a quick Q&A about Eddie Vanderdoes but ended up rather lengthy: <a href="http://t.co/6ImpVm6q2e">http://t.co/6ImpVm6q2e</a></p>— John Infante (@John_Infante) <a href="https://twitter.com/John_Infante/statuses/341981028413493248">June 4, 2013</a></blockquote>

very informative. thanks mike!

 

[anarin]

Sooo his personal trainers position coach in college, was Vanderdoes' primary recruiter for UCLA, And they worked on the Sacramento State staff together too?

Hahaha wow..

 

[BeauBenken]

Well, putting two and two together after reading BK's statement and Clash's linked Q&A, I guess we granted EV permission to contact other schools; we just didn't didn't release him from the NLI. So not sure UCLA broke any rules regarding EV.

I'm pretty firmly on the 'UCLA is just as bad as USC when it comes to recruiting violations' bandwagon now. They are dirty.

Sooo his personal trainers position coach in college, was Vanderdoes' primary recruiter for UCLA, And they worked on the Sacramento State staff together too?

Hahaha wow..

I heard they're hoping to work together again.

 

[SoDakDomer]

I feel like this is a bad breakup...do we ask for our stuff back?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'm pretty firmly on the 'UCLA is just as bad as USC when it comes to recruiting violations' bandwagon now. They are all dirty.

FIFY.

After all, it is the west coast. They been cheatin' since before the south!

And,


You know, I am pretty impressed with everybody on IE. Only three or four pages since is going back on his announcement and not making an announcement, and enrolling in UCLA. All in all, well behaved, even keeled, and pretty ambivalent to the whole thing!

 

[Wild Bill]

LOL@ veteran posters here insisting that coach Kelly and his staff are not at fault.

Do you have any information that would suggest Kelly and the staff are at fault for any of the recent defections?

ND has the resources to do their homework on kids...and figure out which prospects to simply stay away from. A lot of opportunity cost went into recruiting/coaching guys like Neal, Lynch, Vanderdoes, Anzalone, Darby, Kiel, Greenberry Shephard, etc. etc. etc. with no legitimate plan B in place when these guys left.

Kelly's plan B is the current roster. You know, the team he took to the title game. Apparently he didn't need Vanderdoes, Lynch, Greenberry etc. to do it.

 

[mgriff]

When I wanted to nickname him the Dutch Phuck it was in love, now he's just a dutch phuck.

 

[kmoose]

LOL@ veteran posters here insisting that coach Kelly and his staff are not at fault.

They may not be the only ones at fault for all of the recent spurns the last several years, but they are without question apart of the problem.

You don't recruit guys who don't want to be apart of your program. You identify any red flags and you save your room/scholarships/time for people who you know will be 100% committed. Yes, sometimes even after doing all of your homework, some simply fall through the cracks.

But this isn't just a few slipping through the cracks. It's consistently the biggest, most valuable, most important recruits and players defecting every single season. I don't even want to go through the list of star players & star prospects this team has lost. Guys the coaching staff recruited hard. Guys the coaching staff waited on, and reserved spots for, while other more qualified candidates got past up on.

In any scouting (baseball, basketball, football, etc.) there's the mental/psychological side. YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK. You have to choose wisely what players you are going to invest in. THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL part of any player evaluation; especially in college football where so much is riding on the stability/sanity/loyalty of the kid.

ND has the resources to do their homework on kids...and figure out which prospects to simply stay away from. A lot of opportunity cost went into recruiting/coaching guys like Neal, Lynch, Vanderdoes, Anzalone, Darby, Kiel, Greenberry Shephard, etc. etc. etc. with no legitimate plan B in place when these guys left.

ND is losing the very top percentile of talent in the program, taking massive blows to their ability to compete with the upper echelon programs in college football.

Don't kid yourselves, all of these defections are going to cost ND big time in the W/L column well into the future.

Exactly! Damn that Manti Teo, that Louis Nix, that Stephon Tuitt!! How DARE they bail on our Lady like that?

 

[Wild Bill]

I feel like this is a bad breakup...do we ask for our stuff back?

No, we just watch the little slut run off with UCLA and rest well knowing Jaylon, Max and Greg will be suited up on Saturdays this fall while Eddie is paying alimony (if you can consider his inability to play a form of payment).

 

[Kak7304]

Man, I don't know if you can ... unless you want to resort to avoiding all players who were previously committed to other schools. But as we've said before, that would cost us some quality guys, such as KLM (originally committed to TAMU) and Hounshell (originally committed to UF), not to mention Golson (UNC).

Wasn't Louis Nix committed to Miami at one point? Tuitt decommitted. TJ Jones was a Stanford commit. I believe Nick Martin was a Kentucky commit. And the list goes on. At the end of the day, you can't predict what these kids will do so I don't know how some people think the staff should possibly be at fault for what has happened recently. The ones complaining about the 5 stars defecting are probably the same ones that complain about recruiting someone who only has 3 stars. This staff took a program to a NC so I'm going to trust their judgment.

 

[Cackalacky]

What is the point of an LOI after this? He sits a year, plays two, prolly bolts to the NFL. Right?

 

[RDU Irish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23NotreDame">#NotreDame</a> HC Brian Kelly statement: "Eddie Vanderdoes will not be attending the University of Notre Dame." (Cont.)</p>— Rachel Terlep (@eTruth_Irish) <a href="https://twitter.com/eTruth_Irish/status/341981977236369409">June 4, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Kelly: "We did not release him from his national letter of intent in order to protect the integrity of that very important program..."</p>— Rachel Terlep (@eTruth_Irish) <a href="https://twitter.com/eTruth_Irish/status/341982056928124928">June 4, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Kelly: "...but we have worked with the Vanderdoes family so that Eddie can continue his education this fall at a school closer to his home."</p>— Rachel Terlep (@eTruth_Irish) <a href="https://twitter.com/eTruth_Irish/status/341982148678520832">June 4, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Kelly: "We understand Eddie’s interest in remaining closer to his family and wish him well.”</p>— Rachel Terlep (@eTruth_Irish) <a href="https://twitter.com/eTruth_Irish/status/341982256438575105">June 4, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Well said, BK. I have no problem with this situation as long as EV does not play next year. No point even bringing him on campus. Pawn off "waiver" responsibility on the NCAA, wash our hands of it and move on.

 

[ThePiombino]

When I wanted to nickname him the Dutch Phuck it was in love, now he's just a dutch phuck.

That shits is phunny.

 

[Cackalacky]

FIFY.

After all, it is the west coast. They been cheatin' since before the south!

And,


You know, I am pretty impressed with everybody on IE. Only three or four pages since is going back on his announcement and not making an announcement, and enrolling in UCLA. All in all, well behaved, even keeled, and pretty ambivalent to the whole thing!

I agree. I think our mental dissociation with the situation was prepared a while back since before Bruin Steve.

 

[Emcee77]

Wasn't Louis Nix committed to Miami at one point? Tuitt decommitted. TJ Jones was a Stanford commit. I believe Nick Martin was a Kentucky commit. And the list goes on. At the end of the day, you can't predict what these kids will do so I don't know how some people think the staff should possibly be at fault for what has happened recently. The ones complaining about the 5 stars defecting are probably the same ones that complain about recruiting someone who only has 3 stars. This staff took a program to a NC so I'm going to trust their judgment.

Yep, agreed. The only way you can prepare for these sorts of shenanigans is by building quality depth. You just can't predict what kids this age will do.

 

[ScooterIrish]

Wasn't Louis Nix committed to Miami at one point? Tuitt decommitted. TJ Jones was a Stanford commit. I believe Nick Martin was a Kentucky commit. And the list goes on. At the end of the day, you can't predict what these kids will do so I don't know how some people think the staff should possibly be at fault for what has happened recently. The ones complaining about the 5 stars defecting are probably the same ones that complain about recruiting someone who only has 3 stars. This staff took a program to a NC so I'm going to trust their judgment.

I'm still pissed Kelly didn't give Neal protection. Kelly should have known Neal could get a girl preggers.

 

[Luckylucci]

Sooo his personal trainers position coach in college, was Vanderdoes' primary recruiter for UCLA, And they worked on the Sacramento State staff together too?

Hahaha wow..

"Vanderdoes' off-season trainer, Jon Osterhout, played at Sacramento State, where his position coach was Angus McClure, who was Vanderdoes' primary recruiter with UCLA. McClure and Osterhout then worked together for four years on the same staff at Sacramento State."

Somebody posted this on the BGI board.

 

[WestCoast]

Does anyone else find the "consequence" for breaking the LOI really weak? So he can be on scholarship, but cannot play and still retains a redshirt year. It hardly seems like a consequence to have to sit out one year, when most freshman (perhaps not Vanderdoes specifically) would probably sit out anyway. Seems to me, the NLI breaking player should lose a year and the redshirt year, in addition they cannot be on scholarship at the new school. Or, to discourage the schools from being a part of this, perhaps the receiving school should have to "give" a scholarship to the losing school for the time that player remains in school? never gonna happen, so ... whatever.

 

[Wild Bill]

"Vanderdoes' off-season trainer, Jon Osterhout, played at Sacramento State, where his position coach was Angus McClure, who was Vanderdoes' primary recruiter with UCLA. McClure and Osterhout then worked together for four years on the same staff at Sacramento State."

Somebody posted this on the BGI board.

Nothing to see here.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

What is the point of an LOI after this? He sits a year, plays two, prolly bolts to the NFL. Right?

There's a lot of speculation on Twitter that 5 recruits have enough leverage to not sign them anyway.

 

[SoDakDomer]

Does anyone else find the "consequence" for breaking the LOI really weak? So he can be on scholarship, but cannot play and still retains a redshirt year. It hardly seems like a consequence to have to sit out one year, when most freshman (perhaps not Vanderdoes specifically) would probably sit out anyway. Seems to me, the NLI breaking player should lose a year and the redshirt year, in addition they cannot be on scholarship at the new school. Or, to discourage the schools from being a part of this, perhaps the receiving school should have to "give" a scholarship to the losing school for the time that player remains in school? never gonna happen, so ... whatever.

He can now only play for 3 years, so he does actually lose a year of playing time. Hope he is as good as he thinks because he just lost a year of film for scouts.

 

[PANDFAN]

He can now only play for 3 years, so he does actually lose a year of playing time. Hope he is as good as he thinks because he just lost a year of film for scouts.

better pray he doesn't get injured somehow and lose another year

 

[AllGoldEverything]

Good riddance buddy. I'm excited about watching the guys that want to be at Notre Dame, glad we can move on from this guy.

 

[NDohio]

Time to let this thread go to the last page. Good luck EV.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

"Vanderdoes' off-season trainer, Jon Osterhout, played at Sacramento State, where his position coach was Angus McClure, who was Vanderdoes' primary recruiter with UCLA. McClure and Osterhout then worked together for four years on the same staff at Sacramento State."

Somebody posted this on the BGI board.

And that's why Mora will never get nailed for tampering-- middle men. Plenty of separation and plausible deniability between McClure and Vanderdoes.

Does anyone else find the "consequence" for breaking the LOI really weak? So he can be on scholarship, but cannot play and still retains a redshirt year. It hardly seems like a consequence to have to sit out one year, when most freshman (perhaps not Vanderdoes specifically) would probably sit out anyway.

It's more than that. He has to sit his freshman year and he loses a year of eligibility on top of that. So he'll have 4 years to play 3 seasons starting in 2014. If he loses a season to injury at some point, half of his college eligibility is down the drain.

Seems to me, the NLI breaking player should lose a year and the redshirt year, in addition they cannot be on scholarship at the new school. Or, to discourage the schools from being a part of this, perhaps the receiving school should have to "give" a scholarship to the losing school for the time that player remains in school? never gonna happen, so ... whatever.

Football schools are clearly anxious to maintain the integrity of the LOI; no one wants recruiting to become an unending burden. They may try to strengthen the penalties involved, but that will make a very pro-school document even more so (at the expense of the student athlete). And there's lots of speculation that 5 recruits are simply going to stop signing these things anyway. They have enough leverage.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I'm sorry, but this one is on the parents. I can understand an immature kid getting cold feet and wanting to change his mind. But at some point the parents have to throw cold water on the kid when presented with a wonderful teaching opportunity about the importance of "keeping your word" and "honoring your commitment". Instead, that opportunity was wasted.

I don't know how many stories I've heard over the years of kids at least making it to campus, but getting homesick and wanting to leave ND. Instead they stuck it out because Mom and Dad wouldn't allow their kid to take the easy way out. Through that process they became a better man.

 

[NDBoiler]

It's a legitimate question. If there's a "family issue" at stake serious enough to merit breaking one's NLOI, being able to drive home on weekends is a pretty weak justification for UCLA > ND. And we'll be the first to admit that Carlisle's transfer and waiver were head scratchers.



The staff is allegedly furious with Mora. What if he tampered? What if UCLA leveraged Baylee's scholarship to get Eddie to break his NLOI? Should we just let that go? I agree that there's little point in directing vitriol at Eddie personally. But there seems to be a lot more at work here than a flaky teenager.

If the bolded turns out to be the case, then that is about as selfish as it gets for a university to act. By doing this they would basically be forcing an 18 yr old to sacrifce a year of his eligibility for no other reason than to benefit UCLA by having him play there. If you want to go around doing that to kids, THAT is the definition of a d!ck move.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

The view count on this thread is running like a diseased penis. Shut it down before it gets to 1M. Enough about this clown. Yes, I'm bitter.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm sorry, but this one is on the parents. I can understand an immature kid getting cold feet and wanting to change his mind. But at some point the parents have to throw cold water on the kid when presented with a wonderful teaching opportunity about the importance of "keeping your word" and "honoring your commitment". Instead, that opportunity was wasted.

I suspect UCLA's scholarship offer to Eddie's little sister had something to do with this. Thus, the vague references to "family obligations", but no details, as it would paint UCLA in a terrible light. If that's the case, it casts the Vanderdoes family in a more sympathetic light, but makes UCLA look really dirty.