'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[md_bennett]

You think you can take him?

He is really strong dude to say the least. I hope you've had some sort of martial arts trainig; although I don't know your physical stature I do know that it is probably a difficult task to just out punch a guy that strong.

Let's be honest...if you could one punch him then we probably don't want him on the Dline getting at it against the big nasties of the world anyway.

 

[Riddickulous]

no way Jim Mora stays at UCLA for 3 more years, it simply won't happen. BK could be at ND easily for 10 or more.

I think BK lasts about a decade, even if wildly successful. Coaches don't last much longer than that at ND. You've got guys like Frank Leahy (four national titles) retiring at 46, Ara Parseghian (two NCs) retiring at 51, etc.

 

[ND NYC]

I think BK lasts about a decade, even if wildly successful. Coaches don't last much longer than that at ND. You've got guys like Frank Leahy (four national titles) retiring at 46, Ara Parseghian (two NCs) retiring at 51, etc.

wish i could retire at 51

 

[dwshade]

I read somewhere that the deals were done with the coaching staff, and it would be very difficult to lure them away now with HC job offers. Salaries have been increased significantly.

There has not been an official press release though.

If the right HC opportunity comes available an OC or DC is going to take it. They all aspire to run their own program. And that's how it should be.

 

[Luckylucci]

If the right HC opportunity comes available an OC or DC is going to take it. They all aspire to run their own program. And that's how it should be.

You should probably specify, that if the right HC job came available or if a big program came calling. We aren't going to have our Coordinators jumping ship for mediocre HC jobs. If Diaco wanted one of those he would have it already.

 

[anarin]

I'm not sure what you are saying here. Less than fifty this past draft? That is still a lot. Less than fifty ever? Less than fifty the past 10 years? That is far, far less. Less than 50%?


Not sure where this number comes from either. Everybody that plays football gets hurt, but not everybody gets injured, or at least to the point of missing games. So in that sense your number is misleading. There are MANY players that go through their college carers without missing games, and that's a much more important number than just 'players with injuries'. Zach Martin, Zeke Motta, Manti Te'o, Chris Watt, Prince Shembo, Theo Riddick, etc are guys off the top of my head that didn't/haven't missed games at ND

Im on my phone and short of time, but I know Riddick missed four games with a foot injury as a sophomore

 

[NDWorld247]

Is today the day we get more information? I was looking through Joe Davidson's twitter earlier in the week and he made a comment about more coming Friday...maybe this is it but at the time I remember thinking it was a strong indication "soon" for EV meant Friday. I'll look for the tweet now.

Leading Off: Vanderdoes caught in recruiting chaos - Leading Off - The Sacramento Bee

Eddie Vanderdoes may not be headed to Notre Dame, the college football powerhouse where the Placer High All-America defensive end planned to attend after signing a letter of intent in February.

We don't know for certain if that's true because Vanderdoes hasn't spoken publicly about the matter, and that's his right. Fans, and some national media and recruiting websites, tend to get antsy when they don't get immediate answers. So speculation starts:

• He's flunking out (not true, according to Placer teachers).

• He's a character concern (not true, according to coaches, teammates, opponents and college recruiters).

• He's had a change of heart (it's much deeper than that, his family has told me).

Vanderdoes said in a text message Tuesday that he will clear the air soon, "as speculation keeps moving further from anything resembling the truth."

The Vanderdoes situation is a sample of how titanic college football has become. Incoming freshmen, like the highly coveted 6-foot-4, 305-pound Vanderdoes, are deemed game changers, capable of elevating programs. Any hint of a change of course, and where he might end up, becomes news.

It's also a glimpse of how people react. Some Notre Dame fans have lashed out, posting racial comments and threats through social media. Vanderdoes dropped his Facebook page. Other Irish fans have pleaded for patience. Many fans, we have found, view Vanderdoes as a jersey number.

There's a human side to all of this that Vanderdoes may soon reveal.

EDIT: Below is the tweet I referenced at the top of the post. I guess this is the follow up. On a related note, reading through Davidson's tweets, I find the soap box he's been on re: ND fans comical. I mean, he's right, there are Irish fans ripping this kid on social media, but that's the world we live in. He could post a story about EV saving a dozen children from a burning fire and trolls are gonna troll. I'll get on my soap box re: trolls some other time...

Jesse J's Take‏@jessejcraig29 May
@SacBee_JoeD guess what Im saying is it would have been nice for the story to mention theres a flip side to ND fans regarding Vanderdoes.

Joe Davidson‏@SacBee_JoeD29 May
@jessejcraig - it mentions that "some" fans but not all. Have a follow up Friday

 

[Damion704]

Oh great..

 

[Irishnuke]

Is today the day we get more information? I was looking through Joe Davidson's twitter earlier in the week and he made a comment about more coming Friday...maybe this is it but at the time I remember thinking it was a strong indication "soon" for EV meant Friday. I'll look for the tweet now.

Leading Off: Vanderdoes caught in recruiting chaos - Leading Off - The Sacramento Bee

Eddie Vanderdoes may not be headed to Notre Dame, the college football powerhouse where the Placer High All-America defensive end planned to attend after signing a letter of intent in February.

We don't know for certain if that's true because Vanderdoes hasn't spoken publicly about the matter, and that's his right. Fans, and some national media and recruiting websites, tend to get antsy when they don't get immediate answers. So speculation starts:

• He's flunking out (not true, according to Placer teachers).

• He's a character concern (not true, according to coaches, teammates, opponents and college recruiters).

• He's had a change of heart (it's much deeper than that, his family has told me).

Vanderdoes said in a text message Tuesday that he will clear the air soon, "as speculation keeps moving further from anything resembling the truth."

The Vanderdoes situation is a sample of how titanic college football has become. Incoming freshmen, like the highly coveted 6-foot-4, 305-pound Vanderdoes, are deemed game changers, capable of elevating programs. Any hint of a change of course, and where he might end up, becomes news.

It's also a glimpse of how people react. Some Notre Dame fans have lashed out, posting racial comments and threats through social media. Vanderdoes dropped his Facebook page. Other Irish fans have pleaded for patience. Many fans, we have found, view Vanderdoes as a jersey number.

There's a human side to all of this that Vanderdoes may soon reveal.

EDIT: Below is the tweet I referenced at the top of the post. I guess this is the follow up. On a related note, reading through Davidson's tweets, I find the soap box he's been on re: ND fans comical. I mean, he's right, there are Irish fans ripping this kid on social media, but that's the world we live in. He could post a story about EV saving a dozen children from a burning fire and trolls are gonna troll. I'll get on my soap box re: trolls some other time...

Jesse J's Take‏@jessejcraig29 May
@SacBee_JoeD guess what Im saying is it would have been nice for the story to mention theres a flip side to ND fans regarding Vanderdoes.

Joe Davidson‏@SacBee_JoeD29 May
@jessejcraig - it mentions that "some" fans but not all. Have a follow up Friday

LOL at him being "caught" in recruiting chaos. Should say he caused recruiting chaos.

 

[Ndaccountant]

LOL at him being "caught" in recruiting chaos. Should say he caused recruiting chaos.

I know a guy that likes to cause chaos.....

 

[dwshade]

You should probably specify, that if the right HC job came available or if a big program came calling. We aren't going to have our Coordinators jumping ship for mediocre HC jobs. If Diaco wanted one of those he would have it already.

That's why I said right opportunity. Only the particular coach can decide what the right opportunity is for him.

 

[Buster Bluth]

If the right HC opportunity comes available an OC or DC is going to take it. They all aspire to run their own program. And that's how it should be.

I think this is a stereotype of coaches that is not true. I doubt Bob Elliott or Harry Hiestand are going out of their way to pursue HC positions.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I hope he doesn't try to make up some garbage that takes a shot at the staff's credibility...granted it would be from only one horse's mouth, but I just hate when the finger is pointed in our direction negatively

 

[Riddickulous]

"Coach Kelly told me they were recruiting Malik Zaire at LB and that I was going to be the starting QB this year"

 

[Bogtrotter07]

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Originally Posted by NDinL.A. View Post
I'm not sure what you are saying here. Less than fifty this past draft? That is still a lot. Less than fifty ever? Less than fifty the past 10 years? That is far, far less. Less than 50%?


Not sure where this number comes from either. Everybody that plays football gets hurt, but not everybody gets injured, or at least to the point of missing games. So in that sense your number is misleading. There are MANY players that go through their college carers without missing games, and that's a much more important number than just 'players with injuries'. Zach Martin, Zeke Motta, Manti Te'o, Chris Watt, Prince Shembo, Theo Riddick, etc are guys off the top of my head that didn't/haven't missed games at ND

Im on my phone and short of time, but I know Riddick missed four games with a foot injury as a sophomore

Sometimes the nagging injuries are the worst. How much of Manti's Junior year did his knee and ankle cost him? I know his mobility was greatly affected down the stretch. Watching him senior and sophomore year, there was little comparison. He was hamstrung. For mere mortals, that can be the difference between getting an NFL teams attention and not.

 

[Grahambo]

This is where I keep circling back to and it probably has been beaten, bloodied, and bruised to a pulp; they or at least Joe Davidson alludes to there being some deeper family situation greater than a simple change of heart. I have a hard time believing ND would refuse to let someone out of an LOI if its a legit family issue.

Brian Kelly was the one that released Alex Bullard from his scholarship so he could return home after his situation.

It's irritating for me to think that ND will most likely end up looking like the bad guy in this situation.

 

[Irish YJ]

This is where I keep circling back to and it probably has been beaten, bloodied, and bruised to a pulp; they or at least Joe Davidson alludes to there being some deeper family situation greater than a simple change of heart. I have a hard time believing ND would refuse to let someone out of an LOI if its a legit family issue.

Brian Kelly was the one that released Alex Bullard from his scholarship so he could return home after his situation.

It's irritating for me to think that ND will most likely end up looking like the bad guy in this situation.

BK is pretty shrewd, so I would be surprised if he truly would not release a guy for a serious family issue. If it's "grandma has a bunion", then no. If it's "mom has cancer" then yes.

I honestly don't think that will be the reason. Auburn CA is 6 hours drive from UCLA, so being close can't really be a valid reason.

IMO, it will be a he said she said deal. Academic or something else.

Also, I've seen several folks say that BK is not to happy with UCLA. No detail, but I'm sure there is something to tampering rumors.

 

[irishog77]

It could be somewhere in the middle. Like maybe a family member is sick, EV informed the staff and asked to be released to be closer to home, but staff found out "closer to home" was only a relative term-- like a 6 hour car ride.

 

[Irish YJ]

It could be somewhere in the middle. Like maybe a family member is sick, EV informed the staff and asked to be released to be closer to home, but staff found out "closer to home" was only a relative term-- like a 6 hour car ride.

BK should release him to all universities within a 2 hour drive time. Isn't "Pacific" up there by Sacramento/Auburn?

 

[Booslum31]

BK should release him to all universities within a 2 hour drive time. Isn't "Pacific" up there by Sacramento/Auburn?

I like this idea!

 

[ndfb3]

BK should release him to all universities within a 2 hour drive time. Isn't "Pacific" up there by Sacramento/Auburn?

No. We don't want him playing for Stanford.

 

[Irish YJ]

No. We don't want him playing for Stanford.

In all seriousness,,, Stanford is 2.5 hours away from Auburn. It's like 150 miles.
There is a reason I picked 2 hours...

 

[NDohio]

It could be somewhere in the middle. Like maybe a family member is sick, EV informed the staff and asked to be released to be closer to home, but staff found out "closer to home" was only a relative term-- like a 6 hour car ride.

I don't believe he should be released based on all the rumors going around. That being said, it is much easier financially and logistaclly to get in a car and drive six hours than it is to make flight arrangements and deal with airports when attempting to get home quickly.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I honestly don't think that will be the reason. Auburn CA is 6 hours drive from UCLA, so being close can't really be a valid reason.

Agreed. If there's a family health issue here serious enough to merit release from an NLOI, I don't see how being able to drive home on weekends from UCLA makes much of a difference.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Young adults can't learn soon enough that decisions have consequenses, commitments mean something, and breaking commitments means consequences.

Couldn't agree more. He knew the requirements when he signed the LOI. Welcome to adulthood.... where your decisions matter now. Also, his indecision may very well cost another player the opportunity to play at Notre Dame due to him accepting the offer to begin with. Yes, there are consequences. And Notre Dame should stick to their guns on this one.

 

[NDWorld247]

Now there's a poll up on the EV article from earlier today: Leading Off: Vanderdoes caught in recruiting chaos - Leading Off - The Sacramento Bee

The Question: Should Eddie Vanderdoes be let out of a commitment to Notre Dame if he wishes?

Your Options: A.) Yes, it's his choice. B.) No, he should honor it.

I find this poll ridiculous and Mr. Davidson, although apparently well respected after 25+ years covering Sacremento sports, is losing my respect by the minute.

Also, I have a feeling we will be hearing something in the next few hours. Nothing concrete to back this up, just my gut telling me EV is an expert media strategist and knows burying this on a Friday afternoon/evening is the right play.

 

[irishog77]

I don't believe he should be released based on all the rumors going around. That being said, it is much easier financially and logistaclly to get in a car and drive six hours than it is to make flight arrangements and deal with airports when attempting to get home quickly.

Sure. But to put it in perspective, Nashville, TN to South Bend, IN is a 6 1/2- 7 hour drive. L.A. is obviously technically closer to his home, but still not really that close.

 

[NDWorld247]

Couldn't agree more. He knew the requirements when he signed the LOI. Welcome to adulthood.... where your decisions matter now. Also, his indecision may very well cost another player the opportunity to play at Notre Dame due to him accepting the offer to begin with. Yes, there are consequences. And Notre Dame should stick to their guns on this one.

But it's his choice and should do as he wishes

 

[T Town Tommy]

But it's his choice and should do as he wishes

Barring a family type medical reason or something along that line, then his choice should come with consequences. Of course, the Cali sports writers are playing it up as his choice. He has a right to change his mind. Notre Dame also has their right to hold him to his LOI. If he simply doesn't want to play at Notre Dame and doesn't have a valid reason then I would say goodbye and next man in. But as a parting gift you can sit out a year to learn your first big life lesson on commitment.

 

[NDWorld247]

Barring a family type medical reason or something along that line, then his choice should come with consequences. Of course, the Cali sports writers are playing it up as his choice. He has a right to change his mind. Notre Dame also has their right to hold him to his LOI. If he simply doesn't want to play at Notre Dame and doesn't have a valid reason then I would say goodbye and next man in. But as a parting gift you can sit out a year to learn your first big life lesson on commitment.

Agreed 100%. Italics = sarcasm.