Men who are physically strong are more likely to have right wing political views

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"Men who are physically strong are more likely to take a right wing political stance, while weaker men are inclined to support the welfare state, according to a new study.

Researchers discovered political motivations may have evolutionary links to physical strength.

Men's upper-body strength predicts their political opinions on economic redistribution, according to the research."

Men who are physically strong are more likely to have right wing political views | Mail Online


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Thinking about it... I am a personal trainer and workout 6 days a week. Here's my take. For a vast majority of people, you have to work your *** off to be physically strong. You don't get strong by sitting on your *** doing nothing. This is kind of like money and life. Those who are strong understand the work that needs to be done to obtain a goal, financially and physically. Someone who is "weak" doesn't want to work to get to a certain goal.

It seems like a work ethic thing to me.
 

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Agreed. Well at least for me. Although I have very liberal social views, I would definitely classify myself as leaning towards the right politically.
 

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Thinking about it... I am a personal trainer and workout 6 days a week. Here's my take. For a vast majority of people, you have to work your *** off to be physically strong. You don't get strong by sitting on your *** doing nothing. This is kind of like money and life. Those who are strong understand the work that needs to be done to obtain a goal, financially and physically. Someone who is "weak" doesn't want to work to get to a certain goal.

It seems like a work ethic thing to me.

Not your best argument. There is your experience as a trainer versus every highly successful and hard working liberal that has ever existed... And there are millions.
 

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Thinking about it... I am a personal trainer and workout 6 days a week. Here's my take. For a vast majority of people, you have to work your *** off to be physically strong. You don't get strong by sitting on your *** doing nothing. This is kind of like money and life. Those who are strong understand the work that needs to be done to obtain a goal, financially and physically. Someone who is "weak" doesn't want to work to get to a certain goal.

It seems like a work ethic thing to me.

But then there's this:

The Article; Available Through Psychological Science said:
Among men of lower socioeconomic status (SES), strength predicted increased support for redistribution; among men of higher SES, strength predicted increased opposition to redistribution.

And this:

These effects are robust to the inclusion of control variables such as age, political ideology, and physical exercise

The study is about the association between physical strength and self-interested political behavior, not the association between physical strength and political views.
 
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There was also a study by UCLA within the past year that showed attractive women tend to be right while butch women tend to lean left... Lol
 

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I didn't read it, typically I stay away from politics all together because it's a never ending argument, as is religion. I was just saying I can see where the thought would be. Why work your *** off when you can have something handed to you? That's all, not trying to start a huge argument.
 

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There was also a study by UCLA within the past year that showed attractive women tend to be right while butch women tend to lean left... Lol

HHAHAHA, We have TVs at the gym, they are on mute, but there is one on CNN at all times and one on Fox News at all times. I have heard many comments made about the attractiveness to those who work on both networks that follow that conclusion. lol
 

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Thinking about it... I am a personal trainer and workout 6 days a week. Here's my take. For a vast majority of people, you have to work your *** off to be physically strong. You don't get strong by sitting on your *** doing nothing. This is kind of like money and life. Those who are strong understand the work that needs to be done to obtain a goal, financially and physically. Someone who is "weak" doesn't want to work to get to a certain goal.

It seems like a work ethic thing to me.

Ha, well that's looking at it through red-tinted glasses though. A blue-stater might look at the same study and say that the study proves that right-wing politics is about the strong wanting to take advantage of the weak.

In any case, NOLA nailed it:

The study is about the association between physical strength and self-interested political behavior, not the association between physical strength and political views.
 

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HHAHAHA, We have TVs at the gym, they are on mute, but there is one on CNN at all times and one on Fox News at all times. I have heard many comments made about the attractiveness to those who work on both networks that follow that conclusion. lol

I think it is obvious that that they aren't attractive because they lean right, but are on tv because they are attractive.
 

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I think it is obvious that that they aren't attractive because they lean right, but are on tv because they are attractive.

Wait are you telling me that the Fox blondes aren't on there because they are the most knowledgeable available?

I don't believe it.
 
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Latest study shows men with no dicks overwhelmingly support 'Rush and Glenn.'

In few cases the primary support these guys are getting with only a few other groups, most notably family members and employees.

See one can have a study that finds "anything!"
 

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"ugly weakling" struck a never eh bogss???
 

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i'm sure this is getting sent around all of the conservatives' email lists. which is cool, as long as they're also sending around the other studies showing that conservatives are more likely to have lower IQ.

truth is there is a mix of evidence and theory with all of these evolutionary studies. the evidence is often weak, the theory is sometimes persuasive and sometimes pure speculation. this is in a pretty good journal, so my sense is that it's probably more solid than most similar studies.

still, the evidence in most of these studies shows associations - between IQ and political leanings, physical strength and political leanings, etc etc. - these are usually nothing more than conditional associations that could be interpreted in a whole lot of ways: Do liberals have higher IQs b/c they're inherently smarter, or b/c liberals value higher education more, and each year of schooling raises your IQ (which is true, by the way). Or maybe higher IQ people just get indoctrinated into liberal policy perspectives as they move further and further in liberal-dominated universities?

Similarly, do the physically strong naturally lean toward conservative policy stances, or is it because they are more likely to be part of a culture that values masculinity, or b/c they value their career/education less and their physical appearance more? Or, as one of our members hypothesizes, does this really mean that conservatives have a greater work ethic!

from these associations an evolutionary theory is put forward to explain why the association might reflect some pattern of genetic selection over LONG periods of time. some are persuasive, some are ad hoc stories and nothing more.

point is, this and most other studies like this present some very basic evidence that is interesting.that evidence should lead to further research to figure out whether the association is causal or whether it's the result of some unmeasured confounder. then, theoretical work is needed to develop a persuasive explanation for what might account for the causal relatinoship (if there is one), and that theory should be subject to further test.

Instead, we get a journalist's superficial recap of an association and then lots of people seizing on the study to validate themselves and their viewpoints. not the way science should enter into public discourse.
 

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i'm sure this is getting sent around all of the conservatives' email lists. which is cool, as long as they're also sending around the other studies showing that conservatives are more likely to have lower IQ.

truth is there is a mix of evidence and theory with all of these evolutionary studies. the evidence is often weak, the theory is sometimes persuasive and sometimes pure speculation. this is in a pretty good journal, so my sense is that it's probably more solid than most similar studies.

still, the evidence in most of these studies shows associations - between IQ and political leanings, physical strength and political leanings, etc etc. - these are usually nothing more than conditional associations that could be interpreted in a whole lot of ways: Do liberals have higher IQs b/c they're inherently smarter, or b/c liberals value higher education more, and each year of schooling raises your IQ (which is true, by the way). Or maybe higher IQ people just get indoctrinated into liberal policy perspectives as they move further and further in liberal-dominated universities?

Similarly, do the physically strong naturally lean toward conservative policy stances, or is it because they are more likely to be part of a culture that values masculinity, or b/c they value their career/education less and their physical appearance more? Or, as one of our members hypothesizes, does this really mean that conservatives have a greater work ethic!

from these associations an evolutionary theory is put forward to explain why the association might reflect some pattern of genetic selection over LONG periods of time. some are persuasive, some are ad hoc stories and nothing more.

point is, this and most other studies like this present some very basic evidence that is interesting.that evidence should lead to further research to figure out whether the association is causal or whether it's the result of some unmeasured confounder. then, theoretical work is needed to develop a persuasive explanation for what might account for the causal relatinoship (if there is one), and that theory should be subject to further test.

Instead, we get a journalist's superficial recap of an association and then lots of people seizing on the study to validate themselves and their viewpoints. not the way science should enter into public discourse.

Working and teaching in higher ed. I have always honestly felt that to be true... regardless of what any study says about anything... I would also point out in reality IQ tests are made by people with educations for people with them typically speaking... I for one do not equate education to direct intelligence in any way shape or form... some of the plum dumbest people I have ever encountered teach higher level university courses and have all the degrees and arrogance one would expect, but can hardly tie their own shoe... while the two 'smartest' people I have ever met both have below sixth grade educations.

either way it's an interesting topic… one I have spent a lot of time on, and one that obviously hits close to home.
 
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It's really funny how these studies (seem to) attempt to paint a rather negative picture either way...

liberals are theoretical thinking, nerdy types that can’t get a date for prom while they watch Star Trek re-runs in their mother’s basement… while Conservatives are Lumberjack starting QB types that couldn’t think their way out of a tin can and are completely lost with any higher level concepts…

Both are funny I guess, but both are completely fictional cartoons.
 
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Let me see if I understand this. As an underweight premie, infant and grade-schooler I was a stone cold lib'ral. Once I had a growth spurt as a teen and swam miles a day and rode my bicycle for even more miles, I must have morphed into a (moderate – I was never a Schwarzenegger) right wing-nut.

Now that I'm getting older, have "health" issues and am far less active and a good bit weaker, I have "seen the light" and returned to the wild-eyed pinko camp?

It's the old "correlation in no way connotes causation." For me it was a matter of reaching the age of reason. Brain Power over Brawn Power. The pen is mightier than the sword. Might makes right is all too often a fallacy.
 

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Let me see if I understand this. As an underweight premie, infant and grade-schooler I was a stone cold lib'ral. Once I had a growth spurt as a teen and swam miles a day and rode my bicycle for even more miles, I must have morphed into a (moderate – I was never a Schwarzenegger) right wing-nut.

Now that I'm getting older, have "health" issues and am far less active and a good bit weaker, I have "seen the light" and returned to the wild-eyed pinko camp?

accroding to universities everywhere... pretty much... lol
 

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I haven't read the study, but it seems that whoever conducted it or whoever is reporting on it may have confused cause and effect. If more educated people tend to be liberal and more educated people tend to work inside jobs at desks as opposed to physically demanding labor, that could partially explain the results. The supposed findings of this study certainly don't square with what I have experienced and found to be true at least anecdotally, which is that the only conservative people I know are brittle old people and socially maladjusted brittle young people who were picked on as kids and adopted conservative values as a way to justify their hatred of the world and their fellow man.
 

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I haven't read the study, but it seems that whoever conducted it or whoever is reporting on it may have confused cause and effect. If more educated people tend to be liberal and more educated people tend to work inside jobs at desks as opposed to physically demanding labor, that could partially explain the results. The supposed findings of this study certainly don't square with what I have experienced and found to be true at least anecdotally, which is that the only conservative people I know are brittle old people and socially maladjusted brittle young people who were picked on as kids and adopted conservative values as a way to justify their hatred of the world and their fellow man.[/QUOTE]

And see, here I was thinking conservative men had better upped body strength since they carry around their children. Compare that to liberals who just kill them before they are born.........
 
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All of this sounds like really solid stuff. This is what masquerades as science in the "facts are open to debate" era. Science for the New Age. Laughing.
 
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This me and my family. What does this make us?
 
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As a wasteful tax and spend liberal I think Congress ought to appropriate $100 million in funds to further research these topics.
 
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Seriously, these are the worst types of ways to "illuminate" a point. I want to see the journal the study was done from. Peer review responses. How much scrutiny was this study put under. How often is it cited in other peer reviewed journal papers? What is its impact factor?

Professor Petersen added: ‘Many previous studies have shown that people's political views cannot be predicted by standard economic models.

‘This is among the first studies to show that political views may be rational in another sense, in that they're designed by natural selection to function in the conditions recurrent over human evolutionary history.’

Oh really...ok...... I want to see the paper where they address the faults of their methodology as well why it does not agree with other studies. did they analyze that?

Just a few questions I have.

This is where these "studies" lose me.
 

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Seriously, these are the worst types of ways to "illuminate" a point. I want to see the journal the study was done from. Peer review responses. How much scrutiny was this study put under. How often is it cited in other peer reviewed journal papers? What is its impact factor?

Oh really...ok...... I want to see the paper where they address the faults of their methodology as well why it does not agree with other studies. did they analyze that?

Just a few questions I have.

This is where these "studies" lose me.

If you want to know this stuff, why don't you take a couple minutes to investigate it? Psychological Science is generally a very good journal - they publish short articles with very narrow findings that are in need of replication, for the most part. much less theoretical than other journals in psych.

But more generally, I can't stand the rants that are completely dismissive of empirical work without any attempt to understand what the actual evidence looked like, how the research was done, etc. More likely than not the research was solid, the conclusions were likely to be cautious, the limitations were likely to have been acknowledged - and the journalists ignored all of that and published the superficial headline.
 
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This me and my family. What does this make us?
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Dude, obviously Canadian lumberjacks!

I have a little business to attend and I am going to take a good long siesta, soon. The hospitality around here does not equal that of the Irish fans game day. Excluding you Cack, the whole mod staff and a few old timers, the number of smart posters has increased as the IQ average has continued to decrease.

ACamp is good too, even though he doesn't know maple leaf red from a red neck! I love you bro, eh!
 
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