'14 CO ATH Nathan Starks (UCLA Verbal)

[BeauBenken]

Kelly still will recruiting him, he does not care about that kind of stuff.

Kelly can't even yell at kids. You think he wants to be scrutinized for recruiting a drug dealer?

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Michael Floyd and his blood alcohol of 0.2 (3rd alcohol incident) says hi.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Michael Floyd and his blood alcohol of 0.2 (3rd alcohol incident) says hi.

Yep, totally the same. You got it chief.

 

[ThePiombino]

Michael Floyd and his blood alcohol of 0.2 (3rd alcohol incident) says hi.

Aren't you the same idiot who basically said Yuri was a terrible person? Yeah, EAD.

 

[LoveThee]

Wait, didn't a mod on 247 or rivals say that Notre Dame was aware of the situation and was continuing contact regardless?

Obviously that could change now that he has been expelled or it could be indicative of them not caring. But that is pretty hard to believe that the staff was aware of his dealing drugs/stealing an iPad.

 

[aubeirish]

Michael Floyd and his blood alcohol of 0.2 (3rd alcohol incident) says hi.

Kelly did not recruit Michael Floyd. Besides, there is a difference between dealing drugs and getting arrested for being too drunk at 20 years old.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Wait, didn't a mod on 247 or rivals say that Notre Dame was aware of the situation and was continuing contact regardless?

Obviously that could change now that he has been expelled or it could be indicative of them not caring. But that is pretty hard to believe that the staff was aware of his dealing drugs/stealing an iPad.

They knew there might be a disciplinary issue and I am sure that is the extent of it.

 

[rikkitikki08]

If true, their is zero chance this kid plays at ND......Simple as that.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Aren't you the same idiot who basically said Yuri was a terrible person? Yeah, EAD.

He did not miss a game because he was a star, deal with it. With Lou Holtz he would been kicked of the team with a kick in his ***.

But yes, when a SEC Player is arrested for a DUI or other things they are cheaters and more. Some people needs to put things on perspective.

Thanks for the insult.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

Kelly did not recruit Michael Floyd. Besides, there is a difference between dealing drugs and getting arrested for being too drunk at 20 years old.

My 20 year old drug dealer agrees!

 

[irishog77]

This has turned into one of the worst threads I've ever seen on here.

2 quick questions:
-Is it really too much to expect posters to read before they post/speak?
-What kind of job and/or personal life do some posters have that they will literally argue about anything...ad nauseam?

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Kelly did not recruit Michael Floyd. Besides, there is a difference between dealing drugs and getting arrested for being too drunk at 20 years old.

A difference? Come on. He was driving being too drunk. He put other lifes in risk. And with things like that, i just simply can not defend that and i love mike as a player. That was unacceptable and he did not miss a game.

 

[koonja]

This has turned into one of the worst threads I've ever seen on here.

2 quick questions:
-Is it really too much to expect posters to read before they post/speak?
-What kind of job and/or personal life do some posters have that they will literally argue about anything...ad nauseam?

My excuse, My job is boring and school sucks . I've actually made a rule that I only go on here when I'm at school or at work, lol. Not sure how the boss likes that but it's a great way to not sacrifice any personal time.

 

[irishog77]

A difference? Come on. He was driving being too drunk. He put other lifes in risk. And with things like that, i just simply can not defend that and i love mike as a player. That was unacceptable and he did not miss a game.

Yep, so it is clearly logical that BK will recruit a kid that was expelled from his high school for selling drugs and stealing (allegedly) because of this scenario.

 

[koonja]

Let's move this vulgar tweets vs. drug use vs. DD to a different thread? I, personally, would like to continue my argument of why if I'm considering college admissions, those tweets show more immaturity than drug use.

 

[Emcee77]

Wait, didn't a mod on 247 or rivals say that Notre Dame was aware of the situation and was continuing contact regardless?

Obviously that could change now that he has been expelled or it could be indicative of them not caring. But that is pretty hard to believe that the staff was aware of his dealing drugs/stealing an iPad.

They knew there might be a disciplinary issue and I am sure that is the extent of it.

Right, and it's not clear when ND found out about the issue. Like, it might have been after Starks was expelled, but before the expulsion became public.

I highly doubt we continue recruiting him. GITF (and maybe others) made a good point ... expulsion from his high school is probably reason enough to stop recruiting him, regardless of the cause.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Yep, so it is clearly logical that BK will recruit a kid that was expelled from his high school for selling drugs and stealing (allegedly) because of this scenario.

He recruited Yuri last year too after his scandal. Why he will not recruit Starks? I do not understand. Maybe i'm an idiot yes.

 

[Ironman8]

If the staff believes he really did sell drugs, even just to his friends, he will 100% be dropped. We have dropped a high profile recruit for such a thing before.

 

[Ironman8]

He will recruit Yuri last year too after his scandal. Why he will not recruit Starks? I do not understand. Maybe i'm an idiot yes.

But he didn't keep recruiting Yuri after his scandal....

 

[aubeirish]

A difference? Come on. He was driving being too drunk. He put other lifes in risk. And with things like that, i just simply can not defend that and i love mike as a player. That was unacceptable and he did not miss a game.

I disagree with you. A DUI is usually a bonehead decision under the influence of alcohol. People do make mistake. Dealing drugs is willingly doing something wrong in full conscience. It says a lot about the ethics of a person. Alcohol and drugs affect the judgement of people, and sometimes it results in unfortunate situations. Doesn't mean they are necessarily bad person sober. I am not saying it is alright, but there is a difference between the two. I myself have gotten a DUI, and have many friends who had DUI who have successful professional careers now. (I am not talking about a drunk hitting a young child at 3pm in the afternoon here)
I guess you can think what you want. My hope is for Nathan to become a better person, whatever he did.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

But he didn't keep recruiting Yuri after his scandal....

Yes he did, because I say so.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

I disagree with you. A DUI is usually a bonehead decision under the influence of alcohol. People do make mistake. Dealing drugs is willingly doing something wrong in full conscience. It says a lot about the ethics of a person. Alcohol and drugs affect the judgement of people, and sometimes it results in unfortunate situations. Doesn't mean they are necessarily bad person sober. I am not saying it is alright, but there is a difference between the two. I myself have gotten a DUI, and have many friends who had DUI who have successful professional careers now. (I am not talking about a drunk hitting a young child at 3pm in the afternoon here)
I guess you can think what you want. My hope is for Nathan to become a better person, whatever he did.

I'm not saying Mike is a bad person, in fact, i think he is a very good kid. But he made a terrible mistake (after two other alcohol incidents) and he was not punished (i mean, a hard punishment).

Also Yuri was recruited last year after his scandal, so i do not understand why people affirm if the rumors are true, Kelly will not recruit him.

 

[beryirish]

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[GoldenIsThyFame]

I'm not saying Mike is a bad person, in fact, i think he is a very good kid. But he made a terrible mistake (after two other alcohol incidents) and he was not punished (i mean, a hard punishment).

Also Yuri was recruited last year after his scandal, so i do not understand why people affirm if the rumors are true, Kelly will not recruit him.

Yuri Wright wanted to commit to ND at the Army AA Game but couldn't because once ND found out about the racial tweets they stopped recruiting him and wouldn't accept his commitment. Please show me where Kelly continued to recruit him... Regardless of your preconceived notions about what kind of character Brian Kelly has, this isn't his decision to make, it's Notre Dame's decision.

You really sound like all the old school IU fans that I live around that believe Bob Knight is a demigod and every other coach after him has lower moral standards and sucks as a coach.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Yuri Wright wanted to commit to ND at the Army AA Game but couldn't because once ND found out about the racial tweets they stopped recruiting him and wouldn't accept his commitment. Please show me where Kelly continued to recruit him... Regardless of your preconceived notions about what kind of character Brian Kelly has, this isn't his decision to make, it's Notre Dame's decision.

You really sound like all the old school IU fans that I live around that believe Bob Knight is a demigod and every other coach after him has lower moral standards and sucks as a coach.

 

[Cali_domer]

 

[EuropeanDomer]

Yuri Wright wanted to commit to ND at the Army AA Game but couldn't because once ND found out about the racial tweets they stopped recruiting him and wouldn't accept his commitment. Please show me where Kelly continued to recruit him... Regardless of your preconceived notions about what kind of character Brian Kelly has, this isn't his decision to make, it's Notre Dame's decision.

You really sound like all the old school IU fans that I live around that believe Bob Knight is a demigod and every other coach after him has lower moral standards and sucks as a coach.

He deleted his twitter account after his scandal but then he opened a new account where he asked ND fans for some support. He said more than once that the staff was recruiting him. Maybe you don't believe me but this is absolutely true.

I'm sound like a fan who loves his team, but that does not blind me. I have self-criticism for my team when i think we made a mistake (Mike's case, for example).

 

[Irishnuke]

Time to leave this thread. Damn.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

He said more than once that the staff was recruiting him. Maybe you don't believe me but this is absolutely true.

It was a fake account. Wright stayed off Twitter.

I'm sound like a fan who loves his team, but that does not blind me. I have self-criticism for my team when i think we made a mistake (Mike's case, for example).

Can you honestly say, in retrospect, that ND didn't do the right thing for Floyd? He turned his life around and became wildly successful, which both parties are still enjoying to this day. Sounds like you had a comfy seat on the moral high horse, and the University's lack of a knee-jerk draconian response made your seat uncomfortable.

 

[Pachuco]

He deleted his twitter account after his scandal but then he opened a new account where he asked ND fans for some support. He said more than once that the staff was recruiting him. Maybe you don't believe me but this is absolutely true.

I'm sound like a fan who loves his team, but that does not blind me. I have self-criticism for my team when i think we made a mistake (Mike's case, for example).

So, in your estimation, what was the adequate response as punishment for what Mike did? Not snarky. Legit question. As for Nathan, I don't think we will be recruiting him any longer, but he will get his shot at redemption somewhere. His story isn't over, and I hope positive things ultimately come out of whatever negative he may have done. People make mistakes. ND no longer recruiting him doesn't make him a bad kid for life.