'14 CO ATH Nathan Starks (UCLA Verbal)

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As far as criminality, no doubt. As far as the actions being a scar on the University that takes him? That's debatable. Those Yuri tweets were widely noted among fans, recruiting websites, and obviously schools, whereas a drug offense in your junior year will be more forgotten about if he stays clean from here on. He has time on his side, hopefully he makes the most of it.

I mean the tweets were really bad. But dude was dealing drugs. I bet tweets like Yuri's are said in private between some players now and then. But no one is dealing drugs, and Molly for that matter.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I screwed up. But that doesnt change the player I am or the person i've put myself out there to be. I just need another chance to prove it.</p>— Loading... (@Nate_Starks) <a href="https://twitter.com/Nate_Starks/status/329257676582313984">April 30, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>giving up is for the weak..im not weak</p>— Loading... (@Nate_Starks) <a href="https://twitter.com/Nate_Starks/status/329257995626233857">April 30, 2013</a></blockquote>
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As far as criminality, no doubt. As far as the actions being a scar on the University that takes him? That's debatable. Those Yuri tweets were widely noted among fans, recruiting websites, and obviously schools, whereas a drug offense in your junior year will be more forgotten about if he stays clean from here on. He has time on his side, hopefully he makes the most of it.

Not trying to be a dick here (this time), but its not debatable. Taking a kid who dealt drugs and is a thief (allegedly) vs. taking a kid with vulgar tweets? You can't tell me those are the same. Yuri's comments were stupid, Stark's actions were criminal.

If those allegations or rumors are true, I don't see any way ND keeps recruiting him. I don't think they should. I do hope he gets his **** together, cleans up, and gets to play football somewhere someday (not SC).
 

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hard to believe if he got kicked out of school for the reasons rumoured that some sort of criminal prosecution wouldnt be forthcoming.
 

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hard to believe if he got kicked out of school for the reasons rumoured that some sort of criminal prosecution wouldnt be forthcoming.

School finding out =/= police finding out.

Furthermore, much lower burden of proof.

If the allegations are true, no chance he ends up at ND.
 
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Not trying to be a dick here (this time), but its not debatable. Taking a kid who dealt drugs and is a thief (allegedly) vs. taking a kid with vulgar tweets? You can't tell me those are the same. Yuri's comments were stupid, Stark's actions were criminal.

If those allegations or rumors are true, I don't see any way ND keeps recruiting him. I don't think they should. I do hope he gets his **** together, cleans up, and gets to play football somewhere someday (not SC).

Lol, it is absolutely debatable. It's not as cut and dry as criminal vs. non-criminal-but wrong. Universities look at pulling offers is through a subjective lens, not cut and dry like you're making it seem. Yuri said things that are more frowned upon than ever, to the public, right around commitment time. Starks did something that, although criminal, is trending towards public acceptance, and he (as his tweets indicate) has an entire year to clean it up (actually, only a semester unless he commits after NSD).

Just my opinion, guys. If he finishes school on time, stays clean, I do not think he will get as many offers pulled as Yuri. Posting derogatory tweets for everyone, you have to be an absolute idiot to do. You are literally asking to be caught, which almost shows incompetence. You're asking to be reprimanded, or, at the very least, displaying that you're too stupid to make decisions. Drugs are something kids do these days, and it's not like he was waving it around, trying to get caught like Yuri. Yuri really showed his colors by airing those tweets.
 
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Lol, it is absolutely debatable. It's not as cut and dry as criminal vs. non-criminal-but wrong. Universities look at pulling offers is through a subjective lens, not cut and dry like you're making it seem. Yuri said things that are more frowned upon than ever, to the public, right around commitment time. Starks did something that, although criminal, is trending towards public acceptance, and he (as his tweets indicate) has an entire year to clean it up (actually, only a semester unless he commits after NSD).

What? Dealing drugs is trending towards public acceptance? Not sure what world you live in, but I can guarantee you there's no way (if its true about the drugs) Notre Dame takes him now.
 
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What? Dealing drugs is trending towards public acceptance? Not sure what world you live in, but I can guarantee you there's no way (if its true about the drugs) Notre Dame takes him now.

Maybe not ND, but I don't think he'll get as many offers pulled as Yuri did for those tweets. BTW, I live in Wisconsin, which is about as conservative as it gets when it comes to drug use. My point is that it takes a bigger idiot and it's more telling to post via social media, things that you just cannot say now a days, than some kid doing drugs with his friends in high school. Universities will take this judgement into consideration. I am not arguing for or against the morality, the criminality, only how these two incidents tell two different stories about kid's judgement. IMO, Yuri's is blatantly stupid, whereas if this was a one-time deal for Starks, it happens a lot, and it's not necessarily because a kid is stupid, but rather made a bad judgement. Universities are concerned with maturity, and trying drugs is different than those tweets. Those tweets scream immaturity.
 
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Not sure I totally agree with all of this, but I do agree that the circumstances matter here. Was Starks the "the guy who could get molly" at his school? Was he regularly supplying other students with it? Or are we dealing with a one-off situation where, say, he bought a small amount for him and his friends to use at a concert, a couple of his friends didn't show, so he sold the leftovers to a classmate, and the school got wind of it? If it's the former, I think it goes without saying that we should discontinue his recruitment. If it's the latter, I'm not sure ... does that go in the dumb-mistakes-good-kids-sometimes-make category? Maybe it doesn't matter.

But then there's the iPad theft too ... no way to spin that one, if it's true.

Pretty much how I feel about it. If he really was a "dealer" then you can't take him because he's an idiot who likes to flaunt the law. (Sorry to any casual dealers on here, just basing off what I've seen.) If he's a high school kid who got a couple of pills from a friend and was caught with them I can't make moral judgments on that. If he stole an Ipad then he's a punk.
 

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I mean the tweets were really bad. But dude was dealing drugs. I bet tweets like Yuri's are said in private between some players now and then. But no one is dealing drugs, and Molly for that matter.

Ahahahaha!! No one that plays sports ever deals drugs. Good one! I specifically remember a recent ND football player being arrested for distributing major quantities of weed around a year ago. I know of several college and high school players the sold, while in season too. Remember, college atheletes can't work and don't get much money at all from the school so they are facing the same money problems that lead to people picking this trade up. It's part time, requires little effort, has large profits, and its all cash and thus not traceable to ncaa/government/school. But I agree that it is stupid and the risks are absolutely not worth the reward if you end up getting caught. I know people who have had their whole lives ruined from getting caught for some extra money. It is definitely stupid to do, but not at all out if the realm of possibilities.
 
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Guys, just my opinion. I think that the Yuri tweets indicate he's too-something to understand that the things he said are not allowed in today's society. Any gay slur, 'N' word, and anything else he tweeted are very, very taboo in today's culture, and the fact that he willingly displayed them for all to see shows lack of intelligence, maturity, and decision making.

Giving Starks the benefit of the doubt, I assume this is an isolated incident (i.e., he's not a drug addict), I'm also assuming it was a 'user's' amount (i.e., he's not mass producing and selling it). This is definitely poor judgement for anyone, but especially someone with scholarships on the line. I'm also assuming, unlike Yuri, that Starks KNEW this was wrong, and didn't flaunt it like Yuri did his tweets. This at the very least shows that Starks knows right from wrong, and what's allowed and what's not. Again, he screwed up and made poor judgement, but Yuri was so dumb he didn't think what he did was wrong, and blatantly let everyone see it.


If I'm an admissions adviser, I understand that 80% of kids try drugs in high school. If it was a one time thing and he quits and never gets caught, I understand that. I don't understand someone doing something blatantly wrong, showing poor judgement, and also not caring if anyone knows. That, IMO, shows that this kid is not capable of making 'adult' decisions.

How many of you have tried drugs in high school? How many sent out tweets or facebook posts about the 'N' word, gay slurs, or degrading woman to a serious degree?
 

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We can keep debating the severity of it all we want but the bottom line is he was expelled from high school, and a catholic one at that. No matter how good a football player he is, ND admissions is not going to want to accept him.
 

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Ahahahaha!! No one that plays sports ever deals drugs. Good one! I specifically remember a recent ND football player being arrested for distributing major quantities of weed around a year ago. I know of several college and high school players the sold, while in season too. Remember, college atheletes can't work and don't get much money at all from the school so they are facing the same money problems that lead to people picking this trade up. It's part time, requires little effort, has large profits, and its all cash and thus not traceable to ncaa/government/school. But I agree that it is stupid and the risks are absolutely not worth the reward if you end up getting caught. I know people who have had their whole lives ruined from getting caught for some extra money. It is definitely stupid to do, but not at all out if the realm of possibilities.

Sorry. I should clarify.

1) Notre Dame students are not known to deal drugs.
2) Being a college football player is no excuse to deal drugs.
3) The gravity of the harm of Stark's ALLEGED actions, IMO, outweighs the actions taken by Yuri. I can't imagine the staff is going to continue to recruit him.

We don't even know if this is true about Starks so I'm not going to speculate anymore.

And if you are referring to Ragone, I'm not sure those were "major quantities."
 

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Sorry. I should clarify.

1) Notre Dame students are not known to deal drugs.
2) Being a college football player is no excuse to deal drugs.
3) The gravity of the harm of Stark's ALLEGED actions, IMO, outweighs the actions taken by Yuri. I can't imagine the staff is going to continue to recruit him.

We don't even know if this is true about Starks so I'm not going to speculate anymore.

And if you are referring to Ragone, I'm not sure those were "major quantities."

There is definitely drug dealing going on at every campus. Maybe not trafficking, but I can guarantee at the least someone has bought some pot and then split it up with their friends who gave them money, legally this is dealing drugs. Also definitely some adderall floating around come study time.
 

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So the bottom line?

Great player possibly headed for ND is likely headed to Oklahoma or USC because he got expelled from his HS. USC could give a crap about that as they openly let convicted felons rejoin their program and play.
 

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1. He looks like Willie McGinest
2. If he dealt drugs, he should be cut from our recruiting board. I don't care "how bad of a drug it is". You're dealing illegal drugs.

ND cannot start to waiver on what has made this university so special. We can win with good guys. And we're proving it. No need to go after drug dealers (allegedly) or guys that tweet idiotic things for the world to see.

Sorry, but I'll pass no matter how awesome he is. We have plenty of talent.
 

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So the bottom line?

Great player possibly headed for ND is likely headed to Oklahoma or USC because he got expelled from his HS. USC could give a crap about that as they openly let convicted felons rejoin their program and play.

But if he actually did what he is accused of then I dont think he should go to ND. I dont know about you guys but I am a ND fan because we are different than other programs. We are supposed to have higher standards. Not everyone is an angel, but that does not mean we should make exceptions because he is a great player. Lou Holtz really wanted Randy Moss but he didnt belong at ND
 

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Rumors are rumors. Until legitimate news regarding this situation is released no one should bash him. For all we know it could just be the school finding it in his car and no one has a clue to the amount or even if it was molly.
 
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This spring courtship of Michel, Starks, and Hood, has Notre Dame earnestly seeking a commitment from one of their running back targets. The sequence of succession(early playing time) may favor Georgia with Sony's choice, and North Carolina with Elijah's decision. Nathan maybe Notre Dame's best opportunity here. Lotta good halfbacks in the 2014 class, and one of them won't mind coming in a class behind Greg Bryant and Tarean Folston.
Putting aside the Nathan Starks quagmire(familiar territory for bogtrotter), Notre Dame has its class of 2014 running back. Atkinson, McDaniel, Carlisle, Mahone, Bryant, Folston, and now, Hood, make for quite a crowd for reps to be carrying a football. I doubt if there is interest, or the possibility of acquiring another quality backfield applicant. On with the motley, Nathan Starks recruitment is but a fond memory!
 

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But if he actually did what he is accused of then I dont think he should go to ND. I dont know about you guys but I am a ND fan because we are different than other programs. We are supposed to have higher standards. Not everyone is an angel, but that does not mean we should make exceptions because he is a great player. Lou Holtz really wanted Randy Moss but he didnt belong at ND

Not saying he should. Just pointing out another example of how ND being ND makes a difference in recruiting... both positive an negative.
 

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Not saying he should. Just pointing out another example of how ND being ND makes a difference in recruiting... both positive an negative.

Oh i agree, and it is frustrating, but I still believe we can win with quality people who are also great athletes. We did it last year, and stanford is showing us a perfect example of how to do this as well.
 

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Guys, just my opinion. I think that the Yuri tweets indicate he's too-something to understand that the things he said are not allowed in today's society. Any gay slur, 'N' word, and anything else he tweeted are very, very taboo in today's culture, and the fact that he willingly displayed them for all to see shows lack of intelligence, maturity, and decision making.

Giving Starks the benefit of the doubt, I assume this is an isolated incident (i.e., he's not a drug addict), I'm also assuming it was a 'user's' amount (i.e., he's not mass producing and selling it). This is definitely poor judgement for anyone, but especially someone with scholarships on the line. I'm also assuming, unlike Yuri, that Starks KNEW this was wrong, and didn't flaunt it like Yuri did his tweets. This at the very least shows that Starks knows right from wrong, and what's allowed and what's not. Again, he screwed up and made poor judgement, but Yuri was so dumb he didn't think what he did was wrong, and blatantly let everyone see it.


If I'm an admissions adviser, I understand that 80% of kids try drugs in high school. If it was a one time thing and he quits and never gets caught, I understand that. I don't understand someone doing something blatantly wrong, showing poor judgement, and also not caring if anyone knows. That, IMO, shows that this kid is not capable of making 'adult' decisions.

How many of you have tried drugs in high school? How many sent out tweets or facebook posts about the 'N' word, gay slurs, or degrading woman to a serious degree?

I can't believe we are trying to equate the two.
 
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I can't believe we are trying to equate the two.

I'm not trying to equate the two. Quite the opposite, in fact. I'm saying who IMO they're different and will have different outcomes as it pertains to pulled offers.
 
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