'12 FL WR Justin Ferguson (Western Michigan Transfer)

[tadman95]

He may not have projected to be the impact player as some of the others but we are losing depth. Between injuries and transfers, this will impact the team down the road.

I recall Ferguson talking alot coming in but then there were comments floating around about his dedication to improving to see the field. I don't know if it's true, but he never performed to the talk he was talking.

Still hate to see him go.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Maybe worried about playing time? With Davaris, Chris Brown, Robinson, and Onwualu i wonder if he doesnt think he can get past them for playing time

 

[Cackalacky]

I think someone called this in the Davonte thread about 2 hours ago....LOL.

I see it was jimmie mac.....

 

[gkIrish]

Ballz. I wish oversigning was the nice thing to do

 

[Rhode Irish]

Transfers are not necessarily bad. Of all the transfers over the last few years the only one who did anything on the field was Lynch. If we saw all these transfers going on at Alabama we would be accusing Saban of forcing kids out.

I agree 100%. Fans have a tendency to react to theae things without a good sense of their real impact. If Ferguson wasn't going to play, I'd rather open up another spot in the '14 class. The only thing where I wish we could do better is on Lax's point about oversigning. I wish we could take an extra couple of guys every cycle recognizing the inevitable attrition between seasons.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

The 2012 recruiting class is a nutter joke. If you went back and re-ranked it, it would probably be in the 50s.

And not to sound like a broken record, but this is where oversigning helps you. We're effectively playing with 81 scholarships this year now... not oversigning is equivalent to sanctioning yourself.

Stockton and Tausch are how you get to "effectively 81"... both are kids that would not be on scholarship right now if we had recruits coming in needing the spots.

Yes and Yes. I do not support oversigning, unless it's done strategically and morally (I realized that sounds contradicting to oversign and still be moral, but I'm talking about 2-3 per year...a number like that will always work itself out.) People saying transfers are a part of football and to get over it, need to wake up. We're losing bundles of talent and depth. This is reason for concern.

 

[Emcee77]

Right now, at 83 scholarships, but does T stockton really count? SO i guess we at 82

Oh yeah, I count him. BK mentioned in his most recent presser that T Stock is a leader. Glue guy, key practice player, etc.

The recent transfers make me really grateful for guys like T Stock and Evan Sharpley, who make the team better even if they aren't going to play a key role on the field except in emergencies. You know Stockton must have considered transferring, but he stuck around to help in any way he can, even if it is playing scout team and providing emergency depth.

I'm not stressing about the transfers. No one who has transferred is a guy who we were counting on to play a key role this fall. Davonte was closest, but with Heuerman and Smythe coming in and Kelly experimenting with big-bodied blocking WRs like Daniel Smith in the slot, it was unclear how big Davonte's role was going to be. These transfers just mean that the 2014 class will have to be a little bigger and that some of the 2013 guys may have to contribute earlier.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Oh yeah, I count him. BK mentioned in his most recent presser that T Stock is a leader. Glue guy, key practice player, etc.

The recent transfers make me really grateful for guys like T Stock and Evan Sharpley, who make the team better even if they aren't going to play a key role on the field except in emergencies. You know Stockton must have considered transferring, but he stuck around to help in any way he can, even if it is playing scout team and providing emergency depth.

I'm not stressing about the transfers. No one who has transferred is a guy who we were counting on to play a key role this fall. Davonte was closest, but with Heuerman and Smythe coming in and Kelly experimenting with big-bodied blocking WRs like Daniel Smith in the slot, it was unclear how big Davonte's role was going to be. These transfers just mean that the 2014 class will have to be a little bigger and that some of the 2013 guys may have to contribute earlier.

I think we were going to take 2-3 wr's this class, but now, I definitely see 4 being taken!

 

[Emcee77]

I'm surprised some people are stressed about this. We still have plenty of depth at outside WR, with Robinson and Onwualu on campus and Hunter (he'll be good to go this summer) and Fuller coming in. Don't forget that Redfield can play receiver, too, and very well might, with our safety depth (though I hope he sticks at safety ... higher ceiling, imo).

In fact, taking the 2013 guys into account, there isn't one position group where I feel there is a real depth problem at this point, except mayyybe ILB after this year. You always hate to lose talented guys, but we still have an awful lot of them.

 

[PANDFAN]

I'm surprised some people are stressed about this. We still have plenty of depth at outside WR, with Robinson and Onwualu on campus and Hunter (he'll be good to go this summer) and Fuller coming in. Don't forget that Redfield can play receiver, too, and very well might, with our safety depth (though I hope he sticks at safety ... higher ceiling, imo).

In fact, taking the 2013 guys into account, there isn't one position group where I feel there is a real depth problem at this point, except mayyybe ILB after this year. You always hate to lose talented guys, but we still have an awful lot of them.

and frees up some spots for a larger 2014 class which helps depth and not having a mass exodus

 

[CanadalovesND]

We signed only 17 guys in the 2012 class, now, only 13 remain after one season! Kinda shocking

 

[irishff1014]

I'm surprised some people are stressed about this. We still have plenty of depth at outside WR, with Robinson and Onwualu on campus and Hunter (he'll be good to go this summer) and Fuller coming in. Don't forget that Redfield can play receiver, too, and very well might, with our safety depth (though I hope he sticks at safety ... higher ceiling, imo).

In fact, taking the 2013 guys into account, there isn't one position group where I feel there is a real depth problem at this point, except mayyybe ILB after this year. You always hate to lose talented guys, but we still have an awful lot of them.

No he is probably going to be a top notch safety. Keep him back there.

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

Wake up people. This many transfers in a month is not a good thing.

 

[LoveThee]

Wake up people. This many transfers in a month is not a good thing.

+1

 

[CanadalovesND]

Wake up people. This many transfers in a month is not a good thing.

It's actually not that bad. We have plenty of wide receivers, especially come summer time. And it opens more spots for the 2014 class, which will balance out recruiting numbers in the future.

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

Kelly could have done great things with Neal. I don't know about ferg, but Neal could have been that last piece of the offense that could make a small gain into a huge gain. we don't have anyone like that currently on the roster to fill that spot.

 

[IrishLax]

We signed only 17 guys in the 2012 class, now, only 13 remain after one season! Kinda shocking

Of the 13,1 is a long snapper and 1 seemingly has no chance of being a starter barring a catastrophic rash of injuries.... giving us basically 11 recruits total in that class.

3 of those 11 already showed big flashes (Sheldon Day, Elijah Shumate, KeiVarae Russel)... and another 3 seems to have high upside (Ronnie Stanley, Jarron Jones, Chris Brown)... sooooo.... at least there's that....

 

[OCIrish]

Well, if guys are afraid to compete, although this isn't the case with Neal UMO, but if guys are afraid to compete then its a good thing for them to look elsewhere...... just saying.....

 

[tadman95]

Of the 13,1 is a long snapper and 1 seemingly has no chance of being a starter barring a catastrophic rash of injuries.... giving us basically 11 recruits total in that class.

3 of those 11 already showed big flashes (Sheldon Day, Elijah Shumate, KeiVarae Russel)... and another 3 seems to have high upside (Ronnie Stanley, Jarron Jones, Chris Brown)... sooooo.... at least there's that....

Good points. Mostly we have to have continued good classes so we don't have too much of a drop when these guys are seniors.

 

[Irish Fam]

This many transfers does feel a little strange.

On the bright side, Robinson, Onwualu, and Brown will be getting a serious amount of reps and should have no reason to not see the field a lot this year.

 

[koonja]

Maybe worried about playing time? With Davaris, Chris Brown, Robinson, and Onwualu i wonder if he doesnt think he can get past them for playing time

If he's worried about being passed by true freshman, I won't miss him.

 

[irishbird]

Wake up people. This many transfers in a month is not a good thing.

Helps Bama

 

[anarin]

Wake up people. This many transfers in a month is not a good thing.

Put a tampon in. Wake me when a serious contributor transfers.

 

[Old Man Mike]

We're still loaded at WR and that is why this is happening. The main thing that surprises me is that it ISN'T happening in the DBackfield, which is our other overstocked area.

Kelly's recruiting level over the last two classes has been so high that he has "missed" [vis-a-vis quality] on almost nobody. Result? Logjams. These transfers are a stocked organism breathing. And who in the world can blame the kids for looking for a green spot somewhere?

And who really cares about post hoc re-evaluations of any "class rankings"? What matters is solely what sort of Notre Dame football team rolls out on the field. I'll bet many vBucks that the 2013 version doesn't blink and rolls again. Then I'll bet that Kelly recruits almost every other coach's butt off, and we are in quality overload again. Then, some transfers. Then 2014 season and we kick A$$ again.

What exactly is the problem? We aren't mistreating any of these kids, and they are seeking their happiness. We, right alongside this happy story, are sending 10, 11, 12 teams per year to the locker-rooms losers.

 

[Irishnuke]

Put a tampon in. Wake me when a serious contributor transfers.

I have to seriously, seriously disagree with your thought process. He wasn't a serious contributor because he was a freshman, as was Neal and Kiel. Going by your line of thinking, it wouldn't have been a big deal if Eifert, Golson, Wood, Riddick, Davaris, Nix, Shembo, and KLM would have all transferred after their freshman years. Not everyone will be a serious contributor their freshman year. Many of them will be serious contributors later though.

 

[koonja]

I wonder if Butler will give WR a shot? Probably not, but we did just lose two receivers.

 

[IrishInFl]

I wonder if Butler will give WR a shot? Probably not, but we did just lose two receivers.

Probably Kinlaw, he did play wr in his all-star game.

 

[beryirish]

First thread since seeing that Fergie is transferring so if it's posted somewhere I didn't see it but the tweets I read it also stated that the transfers may not end with Fergie and Neal...

 

[BleedBlueGold]

We're still loaded at WR and that is why this is happening. The main thing that surprises me is that it ISN'T happening in the DBackfield, which is our other overstocked area.

Kelly's recruiting level over the last two classes has been so high that he has "missed" [vis-a-vis quality] on almost nobody. Result? Logjams. These transfers are a stocked organism breathing. And who in the world can blame the kids for looking for a green spot somewhere?

And who really cares about post hoc re-evaluations of any "class rankings"? What matters is solely what sort of Notre Dame football team rolls out on the field. I'll bet many vBucks that the 2013 version doesn't blink and rolls again. Then I'll bet that Kelly recruits almost every other coach's butt off, and we are in quality overload again. Then, some transfers. Then 2014 season and we kick A$$ again.

What exactly is the problem? We aren't mistreating any of these kids, and they are seeking their happiness. We, right alongside this happy story, are sending 10, 11, 12 teams per year to the locker-rooms losers.

You're right, as usual. I'm not freaking out about these transfers, but I would like to keep our roster as close to 85 as possible. For that reason, I'm not happy about losing kids that are as talented as Neal, Kiel, Ferg, etc

 

[irish o'phile]

Ok, so the logic is that these transfers are part of the game. No big deal. If that's the case, is anyone coming NDs way from another school?