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Bogtrotter07
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Is it for sure he is transferring? I do believe that this was leaked before all of the options were weighed. I would like to see him take a step back from the ledge.
'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)
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What am I? Chopped liver? I thought we were closer than this...
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Oregon and Florida have been in contention for the title (perhaps not in the title game, but in contention late in the season) multiple times.
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I'd say that's an accurate description of my response to Boiler
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Golson was pretty good in the second half of the season but i really believed a QB competition was in the works for this spring with Kiel. To be honest i am surprised he wants to jump ship so soon, i was raised to believe that competition made you the player you wanted to be and helped raise the bar on your own expectations. I wish him the best of luck but i will say in my opinion he is making a mistake
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Its got to be that, but lets be honest a kid who is afraid of open competition probably doesnt have the mental backbone to lead a team infront of 80,000 people. Not saying thats Kiel but something does smell a little fishy
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Our total offense last year was a mediocre 54th: Total Offense - NCAA.com and we we ranked 79th in scoring offense: Scoring Offense - NCAA.com
This stat wouldn't worry me at all if I was an opposing coach or defense.
This spring is Gunner's time to prove to the staff he should be the #1 QB.
Still no word yet from ND or Kiel on the transfer??
This stat wouldn't worry me at all if I was an opposing coach or defense.
This spring is Gunner's time to prove to the staff he should be the #1 QB.
Still no word yet from ND or Kiel on the transfer??
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I am really struggling with the criticism of EG. The offense that he was in charge of last year was average. Outside of TE there were no outstanding players to help him. His running backs were just OK, the line improved each week, but overall they were also OK, the WR were young and talented, but none of them stood out. EG often made plays when they were absolutely necessary. He came back from some early season struggles to improve and become a leader. The second half of the NCG should be a confidence booster(I know, AL was playing a vanilla D at that point, but it will still give him confidence). AND HE WAS A FRESHMAN!! The kid wins. People down here in SC still talk about his battles with Clowney and how he stepped up his game every time they played against each other. I love EG being the QB.
As for GK, I wish him luck. This is his best choice. Hope he makes the right decision on his future college.
As for GK, I wish him luck. This is his best choice. Hope he makes the right decision on his future college.
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My turn with Stats!
I don't know about you guys, but I prefer wins over great stats(Figured I better put Kiel down since this is his thread).
Sophomore year Win/Loss
Golson : 10-1
Quinn:6-6
Rees:8-5
Clausen:7-6
Kiel:N/A
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I believe that Golson is the real deal and with time he will show that to college football and I don't think Kiel could have beaten him out. With that said I am truly disappointed that Kiel didn't even bother to compete. Kiel is a talent and to give up before competing is odd. We'll be fine because Golson has that it factor but like many of u have said it was at least worth the competition.
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Les was right, no chest
Sorry to see Gunner go. Would have liked to see him compete for the job this Spring.
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Those stats are useful if those QBs were starting pitchers and the entire game was in their hands. It's not though. I'm not being critical of EG, but defense is the reason ND was 12-1 this year.
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TOMMY REES!!!!!!! 8-5!!!! WOOT-WOOT!!!! Take that Jimmy Clausen and Brady Quinn!!!
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I agree with this, though I think people still underestimate the effect that Theo Riddick had on our season. Sure, he was never the blazing athlete, but he bailed us out a few times with his hard-nosed running. I think the only concern that has legitimately been repeated with EG is injury. He proved that he can and will progress as he continues to learn the intricacies of the offense and gain new weaponry in the arsenal (see Neal and a slew of other newbies). Good luck GK. It would have been nice to see you duke it out and win the spot for best QB. Now, we'll never know what you could have done here.
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You wouldn't be employed very long if you analyzed your opponents that way.
Opponent-adjusted metrics paint a more accurate picture because they control for strength of schedule. FEI ranked our 2012 offense 12th nationally, largely because we faced so many elite defenses.
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You are right about the Theo effect.
I am truly excited about seeing the progress of the passing game this year. Golson's improvement and the chemistry with the young receiving corp improving. When does spring practice start .......
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This year is a big year for EG because it will be the 2nd time around most of these coaching staffs will get to game plan for him. How he adjusts back is paramount to his and the teams success.
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I think EG is potentially a nightmare to defend. We saw glimpses of it as he began to run the spread option running game more frequently last year. The 4th quarter of the Pitt game is the best example. He took over that game with his arm and legs.
A lot of it depends on his durability when getting hit, and his ability to know when to stay in the pocket and when to leave it and improvise. He is bound to improve from all the game experience and another spring.
Coordinators having to defend the spread option, an I-running game, misdirection running plays, roll out passes, passes from the pocket and a QB that can turn a sack into a 50 yard touchdown is not easy to defend. It will be even harder if we can execute with more speed in the skill positions across the board.
Of course all bets are off if the O-line doesn't do its job....
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I'm going to come to Kiel's defense here. I was hopeful that he'd compete as well. However, I just watched the 2012 spring game again, and though Kiel has some mobility he's a bit stiff athletically, which is understandable for a guy as big and tall as he is.
So, particularly with the recruitment of Zaire, who people are comparing to Michael Vick in terms of athleticism, perhaps Kiel made the decision that he would be better off in a pocket based offense that doesn't rely on the QB running the spread option.
Remember, when he signed with ND, ND ran a pocket passing attack with no spread option running game. However, Golson ran the ball in the spread option more and more last year, and now Zaire is clearly a spread option running game QB as well. So, maybe Kiel made a decision that he would be better off in a program that is a prototypical pocket-based attack.
If he does leave, I would expect it to be to a pocket based program like Miami (Ohio). If he goes to another spread option running attack program, I will be surprised and would be more apt to think that he just didn't think he was good enough to compete with the QB's at ND.
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Key word that used is potentially.
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Thought I'd drop a nice little reminder of what we did last season. ND is legit and Golson will get even better. I expect improvement all over the field except maybe MLB and TE (although as a group, TEs will likely improve overall).
Our D Line is going to be epic. I predict a big breakout year from Ishaq.
Our running back corps is outrageous. We don't know who is going to assert themselves yet, but someone will. I've got my money on Carlisle. But it could easily be Folston, Bryant, GA3, McDaniel, Mahone. They are all studs IMO and any one of them can be the premier back if they distinguish themselves this offseason.
Our secondary has an incredibly high ceiling and I expect them to play worlds better. I am especially excited to see how our safety play develops with Shumate and Redfield back there.
Also, don't forget that BK and Co do a wonderful job of developing players. Our ceiling is high athletically, but mental toughness and drive is what got us to the NCG last year. This year we should have that + more talent and experience.
Sky's the limit. I barely batted an eye when I heard about GK transferring. We knew one of the QBs would transfer and I'm not surprised in the least it's GK. It sucks, but there will be plenty of competition behind EG to get his fire going. Not to mention BK barking in his ear will get him going. Honestly, to GK, if you can't see where this team is going and don't want to be part of it, I feel sorry for you. Embrace the challenge and put out and you can make it anywhere, same goes for all the guys who aren't starters who fight for playing time.
I'm so pumped for this team that I really can't worry about this at all.
Thought I'd drop a nice little reminder of what we did last season. ND is legit and Golson will get even better. I expect improvement all over the field except maybe MLB and TE (although as a group, TEs will likely improve overall).
Our D Line is going to be epic. I predict a big breakout year from Ishaq.
Our running back corps is outrageous. We don't know who is going to assert themselves yet, but someone will. I've got my money on Carlisle. But it could easily be Folston, Bryant, GA3, McDaniel, Mahone. They are all studs IMO and any one of them can be the premier back if they distinguish themselves this offseason.
Our secondary has an incredibly high ceiling and I expect them to play worlds better. I am especially excited to see how our safety play develops with Shumate and Redfield back there.
Also, don't forget that BK and Co do a wonderful job of developing players. Our ceiling is high athletically, but mental toughness and drive is what got us to the NCG last year. This year we should have that + more talent and experience.
Sky's the limit. I barely batted an eye when I heard about GK transferring. We knew one of the QBs would transfer and I'm not surprised in the least it's GK. It sucks, but there will be plenty of competition behind EG to get his fire going. Not to mention BK barking in his ear will get him going. Honestly, to GK, if you can't see where this team is going and don't want to be part of it, I feel sorry for you. Embrace the challenge and put out and you can make it anywhere, same goes for all the guys who aren't starters who fight for playing time.
I'm so pumped for this team that I really can't worry about this at all.
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Given how much Golson improved-and had his role expanded- from the Purdue/Mich games to the Oklahoma/Pitt games, I think he's going to continue to improve during spring and fall camp and through next season.
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I agree with u fellas. I think he's going to improve greatly and eventually become great. However it still bothers me a little that gunner isn't even willing to try and compete. Seems like an easy way out. Not a knock, he'll be good wherever he goes, just nit happy he didn't even want to try. And I don't know what the coating staff is thinking but I believe they are extremely high on golson and so am I. Go irish
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Sooo... still no word from wooly? This is not good...