'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[Me2SouthBend]

I've copied this in from the Jay Hayes thread.
The lineage of bigs continues.
2011 Tuitt 6'5" 260 (HS profile)
2012 Jones 6'6" 300
2013 Rochell 6'5" 265
2013 Vanderdoes 6'3 285*
2014 Hayes 6'5" 270

Congrats on making a great decision young man. Welcome to the ND family.

EV is listed at 285, but I bet he's a gravy layden bisquit shy of 300 (to coin a Clark Kellog phrase).

 

[TerryTate]

NSIAP

2012 Highlights:

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[irishpat183]

NSIAP

2012 Highlights:

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Non-stop motor. Again, he's JJ Watt all over again

 

[Old Man Mike]

To the "most interesting man in Maine": The origin of Kellog's phrase was from the pre-season camp of the Mighty Chicago Bears superbowl team, when Refrigerator Perry came into camp. The Bears had arguably the best front four in football history with Perry and Steve McMichael at tackles, and Richard Dent and Dan Hampton at ends. Hampton who was the fearless enforcer on that team, looked Perry up and down, and said to the others: "this guy is just a biscuit short of 400". From then on Perry's lockerroom nickname was "biscuit" not "refrigerator".

Eddie is probably a biscuit short of 300, but I prefer Dozer as a nickname to The Biscuit.

 

[BeauBenken]

Non-stop motor. Again, he's JJ Watt all over again

I think more Ryan Kerrigan.

 

[PraetorianND]

NSIAP

2012 Highlights:

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I'm impressed by the overall size and speed of the players on both sides of the ball.

 

[ND NYC]

man, eddie sure is a man amongst boys in that video
whats even better is he excelled down at san antone for aa game as well so there is no "weak competition" argument (not that i belive in that anyways. great is great.)

looks like he's a lefty too...(like me).

 

[Me2SouthBend]

To the "most interesting man in Maine": The origin of Kellog's phrase was from the pre-season camp of the Mighty Chicago Bears superbowl team, when Refrigerator Perry came into camp. The Bears had arguably the best front four in football history with Perry and Steve McMichael at tackles, and Richard Dent and Dan Hampton at ends. Hampton who was the fearless enforcer on that team, looked Perry up and down, and said to the others: "this guy is just a biscuit short of 400". From then on Perry's lockerroom nickname was "biscuit" not "refrigerator".

Eddie is probably a biscuit short of 300, but I prefer Dozer as a nickname to The Biscuit.

Good story Mike. I remember Clark using the phrase when describing a BBall player from Florida, Demetrius something or other (that's not his real last name). I for one would not refer to EV as the Bisquit. Dozer does seem rather appropriate.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Yes, he's a lefty. I wonder if he can be taught that lock arm and throw move Reggie White used against tackles? I know that there never will be another man who could do what White did on that move, but Eddie might find that he could lock his left arm with the tackle's left and [if that tackle was right handed] use some natural power and coordination advantage to shuck the guy sideways. There must be some ways a lefty could buffoon a tackle not used to one.

Linemen really work to even up the two "halves" but it's somewhat an artificial evening-up, as the years-long coordination preference is still there. Let's hope there's something special to do there and a coach to teach it.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think more Ryan Kerrigan.

Vanderdoes is a DT and Kerrigan was a DE or OLB in the 3-4. Not similar in my opinion at all.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Uh oh!! "Lucky" just dissed Beau, and Beau has the Banhammer.

Might not be lucky to do that.

 

[irishpat183]

I think more Ryan Kerrigan.

Love RK...But Watt is on a whole different level.

 

[cody1smith]

He seems fast. Is he fast enough to play some on the outside? I am assuming nix will still be our go to guy over the center. with day geting reps when louis is winded. Tuitt being the other end/tackle. Will eddie play more of a end role in our D?

 

[Luckylucci]

As a freshman Eddie will be playing DE or DT in 4-3 looks. As he stated in his interview, he is going to try and compete with Day for a spot with Nix and Tuitt as a starter. As he grows he may move inside to nose.

 

[Emcee77]

Vanderdoes is a DT and Kerrigan was a DE or OLB in the 3-4. Not similar in my opinion at all.

Vanderdoes has a DT body but he definitely moves like a DE/OLB. He even lines up at LB at times in his HS highlight tape. I know the services tend to classify Vanderdoes as a DT, but I also know that our staff has told him that he will be more of a DE for us. Not saying I see a Kerrigan comparison exactly, but it's a closer comparison than you might at first think.

 

[Luckylucci]

Vanderdoes wouldn't play DE in the 4-3 or OLB in the 3-4 at the collegiate or pro level. DE in the 3-4 is completely different than that in the 4-3

 

[Luckylucci]

If Vanderdoes was at USC or any team that ran a 4-3 he would be a DT

 

[ndfb3]

If Vanderdoes was at USC or any team that ran a 4-3 he would be a DT

Thought USC was changing to a 3-4 with their new Def. Coordinator?

 

[STLDomer]

anyone else see Haloti Ngata as a comparison? Both listed at 310 lbs on Rivals out of HS.

 

[Luckylucci]

Thought USC was changing to a 3-4 with their new Def. Coordinator?

Possibly bad comparison but the main point applies.

 

[Grahambo]

Thought USC was changing to a 3-4 with their new Def. Coordinator?

Read today that it's technically gonna be a 5-2.

 

[Luckylucci]

Can you PM me that article or post it somewhere, I'd love to read it.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Vanderdoes is a DT and Kerrigan was a DE or OLB in the 3-4. Not similar in my opinion at all.

I think Beau was comparing him to Kerrigan from a "motor" standpoint. RK had one of the best of any college d-lineman. It was insane to watch him burst and chase every single play.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Vanderdoes has a DT body but he definitely moves like a DE/OLB. He even lines up at LB at times in his HS highlight tape.

He does not move like an FBS OLB.

I think he has the size of a SDE and the agility/quickness/speed to play the 0-6 DL techniques. That is impressive versatility. He isn't fast enough for 7-9, but that would never be expected of him.

I expect him to play a ton of 2-5.

 

[Grahambo]

Can you PM me that article or post it somewhere, I'd love to read it.

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[Emcee77]

Vanderdoes wouldn't play DE in the 4-3 or OLB in the 3-4 at the collegiate or pro level. DE in the 3-4 is completely different than that in the 4-3

If Vanderdoes was at USC or any team that ran a 4-3 he would be a DT

All true, but none of that takes away from my main point, which is just that Vanderdoes has the quickness and agility of a much smaller guy. Ryan Kerrigan would probably not be the first guy I would compare him to, I admit, but when Beau said Vanderdoes reminded him of Ryan Kerrigan, your response was that Vanderdoes is a DT and Kerrigan is a DE/OLB. I'm just saying that while that's true, Vanderdoes is such an atypically quick and agile DT that that simple statement doesn't really refute his comparison. He really does kind of look like a DE/LB in his tape, although obviously he is way too big to ever actually play LB in college.

He does not move like an FBS OLB.

Maybe I took a little rhetorical license when I said he "moves like a DE/OLB"; I definitely did not mean that he could or would play LB in college. Just meant that he is remarkably quick and agile for a guy his size.

I think he has the size of a SDE and the agility/quickness/speed to play the 0-6 DL techniques.That is impressive versatility. He isn't fast enough for 7-9, but that would never be expected of him.

I'm with you here.

 

[Luckylucci]

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Thank you.

 

[Grahambo]

He does not move like an FBS OLB.

I think he has the size of a SDE and the agility/quickness/speed to play the 0-6 DL techniques. That is impressive versatility. He isn't fast enough for 7-9, but that would never be expected of him.

I expect him to play a ton of 2-5.

Too fast for tackles and too big for guards. EV is such a mismatch problem. Now you add in Big Lou and Tuitt and you're asking for trouble. Sheldon Day, JJ, Rochell, Springmann, and Schwenke...I'd say depth with the DL isn't all that bad.

 

[BeauBenken]

I think Beau was comparing him to Kerrigan from a "motor" standpoint. RK had one of the best of any college d-lineman. It was insane to watch him burst and chase every single play.

Yes, thank you. I was just saying from a motor standpoint. Ryan is very relentless rushing the passer.

Everybody knows I love Kerrigan. He's from my old high school and I was friends with his sister. So when Pat compared his motor to JJ Watt, I had to chime in an compare it to that of Kerrigan's.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Hey guys. Comparisons to other players are great. But it seems a little like there is too much argument about who a player is like back and forth. Which is good, but misses a couple points.

Here is something I would like to talk about. One of my favorite players is Kappy, from his smile to his heart, the guy is what is best about Notre Dame. His life is an allegory of Notre Dame football; hard persistent work pays off. So we lose Kappy this year and we lose Tyler Stockton, who is a great team mate, but didn't have a place in the rotation, anyone else from the front line?

We replace them with EV and Isaac Rochelle; how does that look to everyone?

Now about defense. I did some checking. A 3--4 and a 5-2 are the same defense. They are odd man fronts. Beyond that there are a few subtleties. One of the big things that can be different is that a 3-4 as executed by Bob Diaco at ND usually has a lot of two gap defense by the front, down linemen, (OMM can take it from there). Where a Pendergast 5-2 does not rely upon the front two-gapping. The linebackers or a db are more integrated with the front down linemen. With the ND 3-4 the front down linemen keep the offensive linemen off the linebackers, except with Alabama on 1/7/13.

So in essence the 5-2 and 3-4 are the same thing except maybe a little more (brolic) is expected of the ND linemen. Don't you guys agree that EV particularly seem fitted for that role? We know Kappy, Stephon, and Sheldon have it. We know Chocolate is the best in the nation. Kona, Tony and what we have seen of Chase put them in the mix. I think Isaac seemed to have the gift of being able to control linemen, too.

The other overwhelming thought I had watching the wonderful interview Grahambo, my brother from a green mother, provided, was that I couldn't get over how this guy and Kiffy, remind me of the situation of CW bringing Jon Tenuta in! Anybody else get that? Kiffy is already on his Tenuta, coming in with his big red S on his chest to save the defense! How good was CAL against Oregon, while Pendergast was there?