'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[ohara831]

ESPN is wrong so much of the time. This prediction does not concern me at this moment.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

UCLA's momentum might turn out to be a double-edge sword here for us.

My thoughts exactly. Plus, if Hollins makes the trip to SB this weekend, part of me wonders how he and EV gel. It could be a very good thing or a very bad thing. To me this is a UCLA vs ND weekend for those two.

 

[Old Man Mike]

If Vanderdoes ultimately signs, and is as good as he seems, next year we have Tuitt, Nix, and Day as the best defensive line in the nation, and with Eddie and Isaac right behind, and Kona and Tony to back up Lou. Hounshell, Jones, and Matuska give us also the deepest DLine in the nation. This is even if we leave Romeo at CAT.

In 2014, if Sheldon moves to DT, then Eddie and Isaac could start. Jones, Springmann, Matuska, and even Hounshell would still be there for quality depth, plus newcomers like Hayes and the other DLine studs we're looking at. Again Romeo's role is either/or. Whether Okwara moves to DE may depend upon just how good Rochell and Vanderdoes really are.

It's "funny" how just one elite player can turn a concern into a strength. That's what EV can {will?} do.

 

[Irish_Mickey]

It's "funny" how just one elite player can turn a concern into a strength. That's what EV can {will?} do.

Anyone else regret telling Tommy Schutt no?

 

[rocket66]

If Vanderdoes ultimately signs, and is as good as he seems, next year we have Tuitt, Nix, and Day as the best defensive line in the nation, and with Eddie and Isaac right behind, and Kona and Tony to back up Lou. Hounshell, Jones, and Matuska give us also the deepest DLine in the nation. This is even if we leave Romeo at CAT.

In 2014, if Sheldon moves to DT, then Eddie and Isaac could start. Jones, Springmann, Matuska, and even Hounshell would still be there for quality depth, plus newcomers like Hayes and the other DLine studs we're looking at. Again Romeo's role is either/or. Whether Okwara moves to DE may depend upon just how good Rochell and Vanderdoes really are.

It's "funny" how just one elite player can turn a concern into a strength. That's what EV can {will?} do.

The starters are solid, and I agree they will be one of the best d line's in the country, but the backup guys are just ok. Need more elite talent there without question.

 

[IrishLax]

Anyone else regret telling Tommy Schutt no?

Turning away Schutt and Joe Bolden last year were two of the stupidest moves I've ever seen.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Anyone else regret telling Tommy Schutt no?

You also know that Fla/Mich told him no as well, and magically he ends up playing for Urban? Think about it.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I don't want to totally sidetrack the thread, but maybe someone can PM me. What was the controversy all about with him last week. I saw the founder and CEO of 247 had to start a thread to apologize, and JC had his own thread to explain how he wasn't a hater or whatever. But nobody ever really mentioned what happened to start all of that. I guess it had something to do with a radio show? It must have been bad for Shannon to get involved.

I know he was one of the ones that was making Manti/ND jokes on Twitter when the story broke. Don't know if it had to do with that or not but possibly. It was really pathetic in that thread though how he tried to circle everything in his life back to some connection to ND.

EDIT, found the start of it all:

On Bill Kings show today, not only did he say as fact that Manti was in on it, but also said ND is covering it up, just like they have covered up other things in the past. The vitriol in his voice made it obvious his dislike of ND. At one point a caller asked if this will make the school look bad, King starts answering and Shurburt barks out "they don't care". I have seen where people have posted he hates ND but never saw proof of it, well today I see it. Went so far as to call Manti crazy.

Anyways, back to Eddie.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

You also know that Fla/Mich told him no as well, and magically he ends up playing for Urban? Think about it.

Can you explain this? I've read the same response by you to others who have had the same concerns regarding Schutt. I'm not an expert, but all the film I saw on Tommy suggested him to be an elite DL.

I agree with LAX about both (although Bolden is more hindsight). Saying we passed because he's not tall enough seems odd given how the staff has been after "shorter" prospects for the LB positions. Perhaps they felt the cupboards to be full at ILB at that time and projected to restock it with this cycle...I'm not sure. Obviously with Alex decommitting, we definitely could use another solid ILB right now. Bolden could've been that guy.

Back to EV...

 

[Ndaccountant]

I know he was one of the ones that was making Manti/ND jokes on Twitter when the story broke. Don't know if it had to do with that or not but possibly. It was really pathetic in that thread though how he tried to circle everything in his life back to some connection to ND.

EDIT, found the start of it all:




Anyways, back to Eddie.

He made an apology this morning on the Bill King Show. I didn't hear what he said last week, but he basically said today that he is a recruiting analyst and that is where he should focus his opinions. It sounded to me that he got put in his place by his management.

I have listedn to JC on 247 radio numerous times and I think he was over the line in what he said, but I don't think he has anything against ND. In fact, he has been one of the more positive guys on that radio channel, especially in his belief that ND was going to "be back" with BK.

 

[IrishLax]

Can you explain this? I've read the same response by you to others who have had the same concerns regarding Schutt. I'm not an expert, but all the film I saw on Tommy suggested him to be an elite DL.

I agree with LAX about both (although Bolden is more hindsight). Saying we passed because he's not tall enough seems odd given how the staff has been after "shorter" prospects for the LB positions. Perhaps they felt the cupboards to be full at ILB at that time and projected to restock it with this cycle...I'm not sure. Obviously with Alex decommitting, we definitely could use another solid ILB right now. Bolden could've been that guy.

Back to EV...

You basically nailed it. The problem with last year's class is that the staff focused most of their energy on skill position players AND it as supposed to be a very small class... no more than I think 18-20 kids. So our staff turned away guys like Schutt (supposedly has crazy parents or something... I have no idea) and Bolden mainly because of space and the position they play. If Joe Bolden was in the '13 or '11 class he'd be a part of the team. Schutt I imagine would be similar.

The most ironic thing about the '12 class is that it ended up as a colossal failure in some respects because the staff had the "perfect" small class... then lost three 5 players to different things at the textbook wrong time. There was so much top tier talent in the '12 class it's crazy... if you throw in Darby, Shephard, Greenberry to go with the guys we did eventually sign it looks a lot like USC's dream class of a month ago. Would've had 10 players with a 95 rating or above.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

If Vanderdoes ultimately signs, and is as good as he seems, next year we have Tuitt, Nix, and Day as the best defensive line in the nation, and with Eddie and Isaac right behind, and Kona and Tony to back up Lou. Hounshell, Jones, and Matuska give us also the deepest DLine in the nation. This is even if we leave Romeo at CAT.

In 2014, if Sheldon moves to DT, then Eddie and Isaac could start. Jones, Springmann, Matuska, and even Hounshell would still be there for quality depth, plus newcomers like Hayes and the other DLine studs we're looking at. Again Romeo's role is either/or. Whether Okwara moves to DE may depend upon just how good Rochell and Vanderdoes really are.

It's "funny" how just one elite player can turn a concern into a strength. That's what EV can {will?} do.

You really think Jones isn't going to be a starter?

(I think that we are going to have more play ready guys at ILB and on the d-line than what I am hearing in this thread. I think Kona and Tony are going to fight from day one. I think Sheldon was damn near at the level of our starting line this year as a freshman. I think that Jaron is going to tear some people this year. I think there are a host of people that have had injuries or the timing has not been right, like Rasaba and Moore, and Grace is going to emasculate people this year.)

 

[Irishman77]

You really think Jones isn't going to be a starter?

x2 I am foaming at the mouth to finally see him with his hand in the dirt

 

[Ironman8]

You really think Jones isn't going to be a starter?

I don't, personally. I think he is going to play a lot, but I don't think he is supplanting Day.

 

[Irishman77]

I see him play a bit more than day did last year. Almost 1a and 1b

 

[rtrn2glory]

I don't, personally. I think he is going to play a lot, but I don't think he is supplanting Day.

agreed...and if the rumblings are true my gut tells me that okwara could be backing up tuitt next year.

 

[IrishLax]

I personally tend to disagree with Ironman. I think Jarron Jones (that's the Jones we're talking about, right?) has the prototypical size to be an every down player at end. I think Day is going to be one of those guys who's on the field as much as the "starters" but floats around a lot playing end in a 3 man front or tackle in a 4 man front and especially playing a lot on passing downs with his quickness off the ball.

He'll probably be listed as the starter next year (and maybe forever) but I think Jones is the better fit for base personnel because of his length and will play as such accordingly. 6'5" 300 vs. 6'1" 285.

 

[Irishman77]

And my gut tells me EV will be replacing Nix at the nose. Staff will say what they need to,but there is too much of a need there and we got some players at the 3 and 5

 

[Luckylucci]

Considering that one redshirted and one contributed on one of the best Dlines in the country I am going to say that Day plays more than Jones. Go back and listen to what the coaches have said about Day all along. He is very advanced in the knowledge and skill part of playing Dline. Very few kids come in that have been coached up as much as he had. Day will be the starter for as many snaps as he can handle.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Very few people could hope that Jarron Jones is the second coming of Tuitt more than I. But --- and all of us are going on pretty slim data and mostly intuitions here --- I KNOW than Day can REALLY play from seeing him already do it. Jarron? We're guessing. Yes the size is great. I'm still waiting for the multiple ravings of praise which dribble out of the staff now and then, Okwara-wise.

I'm still "wondering" about the difference in body-readiness between him and his classmates Day and Okwara. I'm READY to see greatness. Size doesn't always simply translate to eliteness as we all know. We're HOPING Jarron is an a$$kicker. We pretty much KNOW that Sheldon and Romeo are.

I'm cheering for him.


p.s. if EV comes and is as body-ready as he seems, he plays --- maybe before "others" who are not --- maybe as first man in.

 

[Ironman8]

I personally tend to disagree with Ironman. I think Jarron Jones (that's the Jones we're talking about, right?) has the prototypical size to be an every down player at end. I think Day is going to be one of those guys who's on the field as much as the "starters" but floats around a lot playing end in a 3 man front or tackle in a 4 man front and especially playing a lot on passing downs with his quickness off the ball.

He'll probably be listed as the starter next year (and maybe forever) but I think Jones is the better fit for base personnel because of his length and will play as such accordingly. 6'5" 300 vs. 6'1" 285.

I agree completely Jones' ceiling is higher, and if he develops he can be a standout player for us. But he was extremely raw coming in and needed a lot of work with Longo, and I don't think one year of red-shirting is enough time for him to pass Day in the eyes of the coaches. Just my opinion.

Good problem to have.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

You basically nailed it. The problem with last year's class is that the staff focused most of their energy on skill position players AND it as supposed to be a very small class... no more than I think 18-20 kids. So our staff turned away guys like Schutt (supposedly has crazy parents or something... I have no idea) and Bolden mainly because of space and the position they play. If Joe Bolden was in the '13 or '11 class he'd be a part of the team. Schutt I imagine would be similar.

The most ironic thing about the '12 class is that it ended up as a colossal failure in some respects because the staff had the "perfect" small class... then lost three 5 players to different things at the textbook wrong time. There was so much top tier talent in the '12 class it's crazy... if you throw in Darby, Shephard, Greenberry to go with the guys we did eventually sign it looks a lot like USC's dream class of a month ago. Would've had 10 players with a 95 rating or above.

It can't be mentioned enough how oversigning puts ND at a disadvantage. This is a perfect example if what you say is true. They could've accepted Schutt's and Bolden's verbals from the beginning and in the end, with all the de-commits, things would've worked out. But because ND plays by the rules, they had to gamble. Unfortunately, they lost. I may never get over the "what if" aspect of last year's class.

 

[IrishLax]

It can't be mentioned enough how oversigning puts ND at a disadvantage. This is a perfect example if what you say is true. They could've accepted Schutt's and Bolden's verbals from the beginning and in the end, with all the de-commits, things would've worked out. But because ND plays by the rules, they had to gamble. Unfortunately, they lost. I may never get over the "what if" aspect of last year's class.

Seriously, dude. Can you imagine last year's potential class coupled with this one? It would be the kind of 2 year haul that sets you up for straight dominance. Kinda makes me sad to think about...

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Seriously, dude. Can you imagine last year's potential class coupled with this one? It would be the kind of 2 year haul that sets you up for straight dominance. Kinda makes me sad to think about...

Exactly. That's why finishing strong this year and having a top 5 class next year is a must.

C'mon Eddie!! Join the Mob!

 

[yankeeND]

Seriously, dude. Can you imagine last year's potential class coupled with this one? It would be the kind of 2 year haul that sets you up for straight dominance. Kinda makes me sad to think about...

Inserts frownie face with tears here

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Inserts frownie face with tears here

 

[yankeeND]

Owe you a rep.

SG's warning, recruiting side effects include but are not limited to nausea, heart murmur, explosive diarrhea, suicidal thoughts, and kidney failure. Consult with Turning Point before using.

 

[md_bennett]

Owe you a rep.

SG's warning, recruiting side effects include but are not limited to nausea, heart murmur, explosive diarrhea, suicidal thoughts, and kidney failure. Consult with Turning Point before using.

These are good reasons to call into work, no? Tell em you have explosive diarrhea and they will beg you not to come in. Recruiting can have its side effects but do not forget to turn them to your advantage

 

[yankeeND]

These are good reasons to call into work, no? Tell em you have explosive diarrhea and they will beg you not to come in. Recruiting can have its side effects but do not forget to turn them to your advantage

These are all valid call in sick reasons!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I will NOT talk to any Media from here till NSD. Process is getting stressful, annoying and outta control. I need to step back and breathe</p>— EV4™ (@EddieVanderdoes) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieVanderdoes/status/294501762256220160">January 24, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Vanderdoes: I need to step back and breathe</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/294502437564338176">January 24, 2013</a></blockquote>
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