Lennay Kekua, A Hoax!

SoDakDomer

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This will all blow over. He's a college kid who let a lie get out of control. When she died I remember them just saying a friend, next thing you know it's his girlfriend and then the love of his life. Was musberger calling the Mich St. game?? It's all his fault!!

I remember this too, right away I heard him saying it was his friend, then a close friend, and then his girlfriend and then the love of his life. There are athletes in the NFL that have done much worse, this is embaressing but it will pass.

And no I don't believe he made this up, he was duped and embaressed by the online relationship and embelished it a bit. Thats my take.
 
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Guilty of what?

Of embellishing on online flirtations?

Glad i','m not living under this guy's microscope, especially when i was 20 , i'd have been hung, drawn and quartered!
 

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I remember this too, right away I heard him saying it was his friend, then a close friend, and then his girlfriend and then the love of his life. There are athletes in the NFL that have done much worse, this is embaressing but it will pass.

Yup. That's where he went wrong. I believe he was duped but Manti shouldn't have lied and call her the love of his life. That's what makes it look like he did it for publicity.
 

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When it's all said and done. This is nothing more than some bad press and it sucks. Nobody died, commited a crime, got arrested. This is all very stupid and its makes for great media for all ND haters. I'm actually more concerned with if we get EV or not..lol
 

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Yup. That's where he went wrong. I believe he was duped but Manti shouldn't have lied and call her the love of his life. That's what makes it look like he did it for publicity.

Bingo...When it snowballed on him he ran with it and that was wrong. But he ended up with egg on his face and everyone will get over it. I really believe he was punked and probably did care when he heard she died but the media took it and ran with it along with ND's 4-0 start.
 

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I've been told by two people that ESPN's Jeremy Schaap will conduct the Manti Te'o interview. Jeremy is an excellent reporter.

This is confirmed to happen today right?
 

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Ok
What if he did ride that train?

How many z listers do wacky sh*t for publicity? People love them for it too

This reeks of hypocrisy, media is burning this guy at te stake for the sheer pleasure of it, using his faith as a guillotine

Betcha a less moral man would not be getting a fraction of this backlash. WHY? Because it woud be expected of him to err

Society made Manti a saint only to have the pleasure of shatterng him to pieces

Sound familiar? Some guy from Nazareth....
 

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But people are saying that he originally said he met her and got her number after a Stanford game. That explains how it happened. I know I am in the minority here but I truly don't think Manti had any involvement in this hoax. The arguments are to compelling to me. I may be so far wrong and just biased because of ND. I know Swarbrick would not have come out and put his career on the line like he did tonight if there was the slightest chance this was all true. If it is true that Manti had involvement I will lose all respect for him and Swarbrick will be out of a job forever. I am not ashamed of the university in any way, I think they went through all the proper protocol and went about this the right way. After all this was a personal matter for Manti he chose to clue the school in about it.

To possibly answer the meeting at Stanford questions. (I could see the seeing each other and falling in love bit elaboration by a journalist to make a better story IMO.)

This:

Q. I guess the reason I asked is Brian Te'o had mentioned an in person meeting to me and several in person meetings. This had been all the way back to 2009. Does your timeline go back that far, and how do you explain, again, the differences in that story with what you're characterizing as purely an online situation?
Jack Swarbrick: I think the timetable does line up, Eric. I don't have my notes in front of me, but I think that's right. You know, I think, as Manti tells the story, you'll see the same thing I saw, that it does fully line up. I will forecast it only in two ways. One is, when I first talked to Manti on the 27th about this and we went through it and I asked him to take me to the beginning, he began by saying we met on. I said, what do you mean you met on? It was an online meeting. He used the verb "we met," and he was referring to an online meeting. He responded to an online inquiry. That was the first time he met her. And as part of the hoax, several meetings were set up where Lennay never showed, including some in Hawaii.


And then especially this:

Q. Two questions actually. One, I wish I could say it, I know there have been reports that Manti said he had an initial face to face meeting with his girlfriend at Stanford at some point. What's going on with that?
Jack Swarbrick: Again, I'll let Manti provide the details, but as I said earlier in this press conference, when Manti took me through the entire story from start to finish, when he first described the contact, he used the verb met. For him, the fact that they connected online, that they met online, was consistent with using that verb. Not one that I might have chosen, but it was for him. And the timing was consistent with the playing of that game.
 
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When it's all said and done. This is nothing more than some bad press and it sucks. Nobody died, commited a crime, got arrested. This is all very stupid and its makes for great media for all ND haters. I'm actually more concerned with if we get EV or not..lol

Exactly.


Just embarrassing for Manti.
 

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On CNN they are calling the Lance Armstrong story "The second weirdest current sports story"
 
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When it's all said and done. This is nothing more than some bad press and it sucks. Nobody died, commited a crime, got arrested. This is all very stupid and its makes for great media for all ND haters. I'm actually more concerned with if we get EV or not..lol

California Penal Code Section 528.5
 

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This is confirmed to happen today right?

Here is what Te'o should say, but his reputation will probably not allow it.. "Listen, she was some chick that I talked to on twitter and facebook...She was smoking hot, and I gave her my # and we talked a few times. Tried to get her to SB to get on that, but she always made excuses. Then someone told me she died, and I felt bad who doesn't when someone dies. The media loved the story so I let them call her my girlfriend, what could it hurt. I'm a star LB at ND if anything I thought it would make her fam feel good. This sucks, my bad I'm guilty for not caring nearly as much as I acted."
 

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this has been an emotional rollercoaster. sleeping on it gave me a lot of perspective. the lack of reliable information out there is the primary cause for the intense reactions (overreactions if teo is in fact a victim). we're dealing with a sliding scale with too many factors for the average, casual reader/follower of sports to grasp.

it starts with each party involved: unknown number of participants in perpetuating the hoax, teo, teo's parents, ND, the media, and now another player who appears to have been a previous target. each of those parties gives rise numerous questions. most of those involve the extent to which we should judge each party. the hoax participants are clearly to blame, but how much blame should be placed on the others?

the participants in the hoax are easy to blame, so that's already been glossed over. next is teo. how much did he truly know and when did he know it. what did he embellish or lie about? what was the motive behind embellishing and lying? tack on the parents here by asking, what did he tell his parents? were they lying or lied to by manti?

what responsibility should ND and the media take for running with this story? who should be fact checking? how much research is appropriate? how are they handling the fallout?

the player claiming to have met her in interviews yesterday adds a whole new wrinkle. this will be part of the puzzle being pieced together. it's hard to wrap one's mind around all of that and begin assigning blame and guilt because we have so little hard information to go off of. instead the entire country is making up their own narrative by filling in the gaping holes in the story so far. i anxiously await a resolution to this whole thing. once the people behind lennay start to speak, we'll know so much more about the situation. there could be even more culpable parties than we could have imagined. there's information about this hoax lasting years and fooling more people than just teo. the connection of the main perpetrator to a rival school and current players posting on his twitter page. how deep does it go?! patience is now my best friend.
 

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RT @MMasifilo: Got to believe Te'o was the victim here. He would always ask us if we knew his mystery girl after we'd play them
 

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Yup. That's where he went wrong. I believe he was duped but Manti shouldn't have lied and call her the love of his life. That's what makes it look like he did it for publicity.

I agree with you here.

From my experience embellishing a relationship is a common reaction when someone is grieving. I have been to funerals with multiple ulogies from friends all claiming to be "best friends" with the deceased. I've been to wakes with handfuls of people saying they were "best friends" with the deceased when it wasn't the case. It's called Idealizing the Dead. It's a natural reaction. To me that suggests actual grief on Manti's part.
 

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Hearing it at work today. Pics and Gifs galore. The NC beat up was just trailing down. ughhh.
 
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I haven't read all of this so maybe this is redundant... But if this 'girl' has met Troy P. and that cardinals FB, then why couldn't she also have 'met' Te'o and pulled an acting gig on him? If you believe the Cardinals FB that says he met 'her' (and he doesn't have a dog in the fight, so to speak), it's very likely the same girl 'met' Teo.
 

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Greenie's last bit from 9:45-10:00 was bad. He is such a POS.

All of the media outlets/individuals that are completely bashing Manti right now need to first apologize for not doing their due diligence in the story initially.
 

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CNN Now claims to have a player source that says the whole team thought the story was fishy since the Michigan state game.

The source supposedly feels like Manti was scammed but then embellished it after he figured it out.
 
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I agree with Pat Forde's comment:

"At the risk of stereotyping, I'll offer this conjecture: Te'o is a Mormon, and there are a lot of LDS members who lack significant romantic experience when entering young adulthood. Courtship might have been a novel and/or highly idealized concept. Physical interaction might not have been at the top of his relationship wish list."
 

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Greenie's last bit from 9:45-10:00 was bad. He is such a POS.

All of the media outlets/individuals that are completely bashing Manti right now need to first apologize for not doing their due diligence in the story initially.

He was terrible, unbelievable speculation. The media has just as much egg on their face as manti in this situation. How do you write all those stories and never check any of the facts out?

I'm listening to coward now and he is actually being pretty sensible about this.
 

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CNN Now claims to have a player source that says the whole team thought the story was fishy since the Michigan state game.

The source supposedly feels like Manti was scammed but then embellished it after he figured it out.

That article from college spun was saying the same thing as well. Written by a student who said everyone was fishy about the situation with Manti, especially because other players had had deaths in the family yet weren't getting that kind of media attention (TJ, etc.).

I bet there are some disgruntled players out there who would be an anonymous source. Kelly needs to figure that out. The more that this stuff happens, the more it becomes a NOTRE DAME issue and not a MANTI TE'O issue.
 

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The source supposedly feels like Manti was scammed but then embellished it after he figured it out.

this is what i think happened too.
manti was obviously just too embarrassed to come forward and the whole thing spiralled out of control.
 

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CNN Now claims to have a player source that says the whole team thought the story was fishy since the Michigan state game.

The source supposedly feels like Manti was scammed but then embellished it after he figured it out.

Even if true, then shame/ pride could be just as much a reason as anything
 

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good thing Lance Armstrong isn't a diehard ND fan.

I just found out that this was all concocted by Lance Armstrong to get the media attention away from him and his Oprah lovefest.
 
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Talking Manti Te'o with @WaddleandSilvy on ESPN Chicago in mere moments.
 
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