BK stays at ND

[Bogtrotter07]

Hey, I was just thinking.

This thread is proof of Wisdom of the Crowd. Everybody's mood has changed here. I know everybody loves JohnnyK, and he has set a wonderful example. But look at how the mood has changed . . .

The other point, if Kelly goes, the most important single question is, "What does Longo do?"

 

[johnnykillz]

He was voted best new poster on DD.

Sounds like he's wavering on his commitment to IE.

Fragile maybe.

Not a once in a decade poster.

We can catch a bigger fish next year.

His dad is a legacy DD'er.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Sounds like he's wavering on his commitment to IE.

Fragile maybe.

Not a once in a decade poster.

We can catch a bigger fish next year.

His dad is a legacy DD'er.

Nice!

 

[IrishLax]

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Trying to get deal done before Walter Camp Dinner tonight. Might not happen, but some people have optimism.

Situation will be resolved by Monday at the latest per multiple people. Considering the Eagles plan on interviewing more candidates next week......... have to hope that's a good sign and Kelly isn't at the top of their board with an actionable offer after a 2nd meeting or something like that.

 

[PraetorianND]

There are compromises that are possible... especially with our 5th year system. I hope they are talking about them. If you push the 5th year decision date back (like into spring or after the year) then you can oversign by a couple kids to account for transfers/injuries/etc. and then if for some reason you end up plus a kid or two then you can take it out of the 5th year pool as a last resort.

Perfect system? No. Plausible? Absolutely. I'm just really hoping both sides are being flexible/reasonable. The ND admin is NOT known for being either of those... and BK doesn't strike me as a compromising guy either.

This part. I'm sure there is middle ground. I generally see over-signing as a bad thing. I think it is what separates us from SEC schools (amongst other things). I don't think we should do it - but 5th years are not guaranteed schollys so I can see your suggestion working.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I never have said that TP has ill intent. I don't believe that at all.

I'm just saying that there is a contingent of people on here that claim that his word is gold and that he is never wrong. Well... here is being wrong. All of the TP lemmings always bash us "non believers" for not giving him props for being right all of the time. So this is a clear example of why we don't.

Btw, you know that you're my boy, but this TP support from you only started once he started bringing you into his fold. Sending you personal messages and whatnot. You used to not like the cryptic tweets and self-promotion yourself.

Carry on...

I know. I have addressed the fact that I used to attack TP, multiple times, in multiple threads. My conclusion was that I was too emotionally invested in the recruitment of 18 year old kids and hung to tightly to any inside info thrown out way. It was a "me" problem. I defend him more vigorously now because yes, I work with him. So obviously I have a clearer picture of his intentions and credentials.

No one claims he is never wrong and no one is asking you to kiss his ***.. That is pure exaggeration Wooly.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Really hope we don't start oversigning. This isn't win-at-all-costs, IMO. It's win and be Notre Dame.

I'm fine with never winning another title if it means we keep our integrity.

^THIS

There are compromises that are possible... especially with our 5th year system. I hope they are talking about them. If you push the 5th year decision date back (like into spring or after the year) then you can oversign by a couple kids to account for transfers/injuries/etc. and then if for some reason you end up plus a kid or two then you can take it out of the 5th year pool as a last resort.

Perfect system? No. Plausible? Absolutely. I'm just really hoping both sides are being flexible/reasonable. The ND admin is NOT known for being either of those... and BK doesn't strike me as a compromising guy either.

Compromises along those lines I would be ok with.

 

[LoveThee]

Theoretically the talent gap isn't that big but if you can't get #4 due to a test score and #7 just doesn't want to come, then the issue with depth comes in to play. Look at ILB this year. Why not give AQM a chance to prove he can handle ND academics?

Its been 20 plus years with this system which has slowly evolved. Some more needs to occur to play with the big boys. 0-3 in BCS games and never stood a chance in any of them.

This isn't really directed at you so don't take my quoting you as a desire to argue because I don't. You bring fair points. But to some of those points I say, if you are winning, which Kelly is at ND, you can get great players interested. This year we were 12-0 and have had an array of prospects interested. So maybe #4 can't get in and #7 isn't interested. But #10 may be. Tons of good players want to hear from ND when it is winning.

To combat your point about AQM is a little harder, because we don't know what kept him out. Was it test scores/gpa? Well ND wants kids with scores in those areas that indicate they could succeed at the University. Anything lower than the benchmarks in place means admissions is afraid that individual would jeopardize ND's #1 in graduation rate. Is it an issue of core classes/Kelly wanting to oversign? Oversigning is morally wrong, goes against the message of ND and shouldn't be implemented by anybody. Core classes is also an issue. Why should players be given the ability to have a different path to ND, when ND loves to tout that their players are among the other members of the student body.

I could see there being some wiggle room in test scores/gpa because the ND staff is good enough at what they do to be able to ensure those kids succeed. I think the program is seeing general improvement and we will be able to compete with the current system, but that is just my opinion. I am just a guy on a message board, so my opinion doesn't mean that much. Haha

 

[woolybug25]

I know. I have addressed the fact that I used to attack TP, multiple times, in multiple threads. My conclusion was that I was too emotionally invested in the recruitment of 18 year old kids and hung to tightly to any inside info thrown out way. It was a "me" problem. I defend him more vigorously now because yes, I work with him. So obviously I have a clearer picture of his intentions and credentials.

No one claims he is never wrong and no one is asking you to kiss his ***.. That is pure exaggeration Wooly.

I feel ya, but those of us that don't believe his word to be the defining word do get a bunch of crap for it. For instance, NDHoosier neg repped my last post to you and will likely neg rep this one.

Not pointing the finger at you though, homie. I just wanted to point out the original point so it was done. Because next time he does post something, people cant say that we never point out when he is wrong (which has been consistently said to us).

As I said though, water under the bridge. We can let everybody get back to freaking out about BK.

 

[LoveThee]

There are compromises that are possible... especially with our 5th year system. I hope they are talking about them. If you push the 5th year decision date back (like into spring or after the year) then you can oversign by a couple kids to account for transfers/injuries/etc. and then if for some reason you end up plus a kid or two then you can take it out of the 5th year pool as a last resort.

Perfect system? No. Plausible? Absolutely. I'm just really hoping both sides are being flexible/reasonable. The ND admin is NOT known for being either of those... and BK doesn't strike me as a compromising guy either.

These types of compromises would be amazing and overall beneficial for the University. I hope something like this gets worked out and we all benefit for it.

 

[Irish To The Core]

btw...I didn't mean to come off as critical of AA by saying he is not a once in 10 year talent, I just don't think he is irreplacable. He would likely be a key cog in a great defensive machine...but he is not Jaylon Smith. And he had misgivings regarding Notre Dame. That does not make him a bad kid in any way. Very good player, seems like a good kid, but he was not committed strongly enough to resist all the pressures he felt to head to Florida. He will probably have a lot of success as a Gator.

 

[dkuhn12]

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[Who'saWildManNow]

In life, you meet people that make quicker and more irrational decisions than others.

Some are more emotional.

I don't know the kid personally, but I am 100% sold he would have been Irish had he not been so pressured by both his parents, peers, etc keeping in context the situation with Kelly.

Had this situation not occurred, he would be on campus and rooming with Huerman.

But everyone can keep telling themselves whatever makes them feel better.

AA is a good maybe great ball player and it seems to me an emotional decision maker vs. a logical one. A lot of 18 year olds are in fact.

It seems our board has a lot of them too, not exempting myself.

That doesn't mean he was wavering. It just means he was under intense pressure to make a decision for early enrollment.

Timing couldn't be worse for these poor kids EE'ing.

Faith is tough to have right now.

He wanted to play for a coach he knew would be there.

Come next week if Kelly is in Philly, he'll look like an oracle and his decision will be one others may have wished they followed...

I'm not happy we lost AA. I don't think he's a bad kid but I know he's the only one that go jitters and bolted. In the grand scheme if he's the only casualty and we end up with Kelly long term, higher paid assistants and "program changes" for the better... Than I'm okay with it.

 

[Grahambo]

This isn't really directed at you so don't take my quoting you as a desire to argue because I don't. You bring fair points. But to some of those points I say, if you are winning, which Kelly is at ND, you can get great players interested. This year we were 12-0 and have had an array of prospects interested. So maybe #4 can't get in and #7 isn't interested. But #10 may be. Tons of good players want to hear from ND when it is winning.

To combat your point about AQM is a little harder, because we don't know what kept him out. Was it test scores/gpa? Well ND wants kids with scores in those areas that indicate they could succeed at the University. Anything lower than the benchmarks in place means admissions is afraid that individual would jeopardize ND's #1 in graduation rate. Is it an issue of core classes/Kelly wanting to oversign? Oversigning is morally wrong, goes against the message of ND and shouldn't be implemented by anybody. Core classes is also an issue. Why should players be given the ability to have a different path to ND, when ND loves to tout that their players are among the other members of the student body.

I could see there being some wiggle room in test scores/gpa because the ND staff is good enough at what they do to be able to ensure those kids succeed. I think the program is seeing general improvement and we will be able to compete with the current system, but that is just my opinion. I am just a guy on a message board, so my opinion doesn't mean that much. Haha

1. I'm probably one of the most difficult people to offend here or in person do you're good my man.

2. I see the counter and agree which is why I've preferred saying academic adjustments instead of lowering the bar.

3. You're opinion means as much as everyone else here...maybe besides Bogtrotter but that's because nobody knows what he's talking about.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

btw...I didn't mean to come off as critical of AA by saying he is not a once in 10 year talent, I just don't think he is irreplacable. He would likely be a key cog in a great defensive machine...but he is not Jaylon Smith. And he had misgivings regarding Notre Dame. That does not make him a bad kid in any way. Very good player, seems like a good kid, but he was not committed strongly enough to resist all the pressures he felt to head to Florida. He will probably have a lot of success as a Gator.

Good post.

 

[PraetorianND]

Report: Brian Kelly, Gus Bradley appear to be Eagles' top targets - CBSSports.com

Thoughts?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

1. I'm probably one of the most difficult people to offend here or in person do you're good my man.

2. I see the counter and agree which is why I've preferred saying academic adjustments instead of lowering the bar.

3. You're opinion means as much as everyone else here...maybe besides Bogtrotter but that's because nobody knows what he's talking about.

Seriously.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I feel ya, but those of us that don't believe his word to be the defining word do get a bunch of crap for it. For instance, NDHoosier neg repped my last post to you and will likely neg rep this one.

Not pointing the finger at you though, homie. I just wanted to point out the original point so it was done. Because next time he does post something, people cant say that we never point out when he is wrong (which has been consistently said to us).

As I said though, water under the bridge. We can let everybody get back to freaking out about BK.

I know brother, I don't take it personally. I understand where you are coming from. Respect mon!

 

[johnnykillz]

I'm not happy we lost AA. I don't think he's a bad kid but I know he's the only one that go jitters and bolted. In the grand scheme if he's the only casualty and we end up with Kelly long term, higher paid assistants and "program changes" for the better... Than I'm okay with it.

I understand that and my post wasn't directed at only you.

In fact, I had to really search my mind thoroughly for that post because I'm selfish and quick to degrade players that flip on us.

I guess I'm just trying to point out the importance in what I think would be a better method by our team and university's practice with handling these situations in the future.

I know we're bummed about it.

Lets just hope it reaps its benefits somehow.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I hear ya Johnny.. I think I'd pay if they put Kelly on pay per view right now explaining this whole thing from start to finish.

 

[Irish To The Core]

I hear ya Johnny.. I think I'd pay if they put Kelly on pay per view right now explaining this whole thing from start to finish.

How do I sign up for that?

 

[ACamp1900]

At this point the most unexpected option is BK comes back and the class holds together... I simply can't believe how poorly this whole week ended up after it started with such promise

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I hear ya Johnny.. I think I'd pay if they put Kelly on pay per view right now explaining this whole thing from start to finish.

"All proceeds go to Diaco's new 5,000 square foot, mirrored, hair upkeep office."

 

[johnnykillz]

"All proceeds go to Diaco's new 5,000 square foot, mirrored, hair upkeep office."

Filled with the finest of former USC Song Girls making minimum wage, the poor girls' choice in only to work for tips...

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

"All proceeds go to Diaco's new 5,000 square foot, mirrored, hair upkeep office."

Ha yes of course! Ok, I'm going to take a break and walk the dog.

 

[PraetorianND]

At this point the most unexpected option is BK comes back and the class holds together... I simply can't believe how poorly this whole week ended up after it started with such promise

I can't believe the NCG was on Monday.... Feels like three months ago.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Filled with the finest of former USC Song Girls making minimum wage, the poor girls' choice in only to work for tips...

opposite end of the spectrum:

"Longo's concrete jail cell complete with a furnace that never dips below 125 degrees, Russian kettle-bell weights covered with rust, a cassette tape player with Iron Maiden stuck inside, 35 pitbulls trained to eat weak recruits, a wall adorned with 70 bullwhips tipped with shards of glass, and steel cage where all position battles will be resolved with a shirtless brass knuckle fight to the death."

 

[Emcee77]

Trying to get deal done before Walter Camp Dinner tonight. Might not happen, but some people have optimism.

Situation will be resolved by Monday at the latest per multiple people. Considering the Eagles plan on interviewing more candidates next week......... have to hope that's a good sign and Kelly isn't at the top of their board with an actionable offer after a 2nd meeting or something like that.

At this point the most unexpected option is BK comes back and the class holds together... I simply can't believe how poorly this whole week ended up after it started with such promise

What have you heard? The ISD update that Lax summarized above was the latest I'd heard, and it sounds pretty positive. Certainly doesn't sound like BK coming back is unlikely. Or are you just beiing pessimistic so you aren't disappointed? That's not a bad strategy, if so.

 

[johnnykillz]

opposite end of the spectrum:

"Longo's concrete jail cell complete with a furnace that never dips below 125 degrees, Russian kettle-bell weights covered with rust, a cassette tape player with Iron Maiden stuck inside, 35 pitbulls trained to eat weak recruits, a wall adorned with 70 bullwhips tipped with shards of glass, and steel cage where all position battles will be resolved with a shirtless brass knuckle fight to the death."

Maybe a Russian bear, declawed and detoothed. Ready for sambo?

 

[PraetorianND]

I've drank 2 handles of Maker's since then.

My liver hates both Bama, and ND.

At least you're not drinking Canadian Mist or something. Springing for the good stuff!