'13 NJ DE Alquadin Muhammad (Miami Verbal)

[Bogtrotter07]

I had to take a standardized test for admission. There's a first hand account for you.

I assumed that things have changed since my friend experienced this in the sixties. Did you take the standardized diocean test, that kids accross the country take? How long ago? And how many credits did you need for graduation? About when did you graduate?

 

[Luckylucci]

Don't want to beat a dead horse if somebody posted this already but just saw so I thought I'd throw it out there. About 7 hrs. ago Sapp answered a post from a subscriber where he stated that ND couldn't move forward with AQM because of his timeline. I take that as meaning this was a fixable issue that he decided he didn't want to and instead would commit now. I know it's been covered but I find it interesting that it sounds like he has complete control over it and chooses not to.

 

[Ironman8]

I assumed that things have changed since my friend experienced this in the sixties. Did you take the standardized diocean test, that kids accross the country take? How long ago? And how many credits did you need for graduation? About when did you graduate?

Much more recent than that sir. And I know for a fact these standardized tests existed extremely recently. All of that is moot, though, if the school AQM originally attended didn't require it and he had adequate admission requirements to DB when he transferred, yet it obviously does not satisfy either specific college or NCAA requirements.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Much more recent than that sir. And I know for a fact these standardized tests existed extremely recently. All of that is moot, though, if the school AQM originally attended didn't require it and he had adequate admission requirements to DB when he transferred, yet it obviously does not satisfy either specific college or NCAA requirements.

Now I understand.

With all the tension pre-game, and all the derisiveness blowing through this site from sunnier climes, I want to make sure you and I are solid. We have always done well, and I intended no insult to you or your high school. I went to a prep school in Toledo, also. We had Jesuits. So I can get into the whole thing. I took so many advanced social science classes and was so remedial at math that there were no scheduling options for the second semester of my senior year. So I took an "Independent Studies" course with the Principal for until graduation. The few colleges that were after me to play ball loved that!

I also had a friend that moved to Toledo his Junior year, we met in Film Study, and became good friends. But he took something weird Freshman year at his school, (which you have heard of but I don't want to [mis]name it, so Cackalacky goes off on me again.) But I remember he wanted to go to several different schools and that caused a problem, until UGA let him in. I remember thinking how strange it was, going to one of the top hundred prep schools and having them see no problem, not having the student retake a class as a college prep service, and getting by, when oodles pf colleges had a problem with it.

 

[#1rish]

I went to Bosco in '02, and had to take a standardized test called the Co-ops. You had to take these if you wanted to go to any private HS (Bergen Catholic, St. Joes, etc.). Not sure if it's changed since then.

 

[Irish#1]

One thing we know for sure, is that we don't know for sure what' happened.

At least we know why he never committed. He knew he couldn't qualify.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Sucks but we still have an amazing recruiting class. But damn did i want this kid in a ND uni

 

[rtrn2glory]

IMO non commitable offer from Bama and not grades for ND. wish him the best

GB....you saying he doesn't have the grades for ND.

thanks

 

[ND NYC]

good luck to AQM.

kelly and staff would be wise to use the couple "exemptions" they have with admissions (started by charlie) elsewhere.

 

[Walter White]

If he goes the JC route, I wouldn't mind taking a shot with him.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

If he goes the JC route, I wouldn't mind taking a shot with him.

I had that thought earlier, the only issue is that ND is not known for taking JCs- guess there is always an exception.

 

[BGIF]

I had that thought earlier, the only issue is that ND is not known for taking JCs- guess there is always an exception.

Yes, the ones that have bona fide academic creditentials.

Larry Moriarty '83 was the exception but the NCAA rules were considerably less then (Core Courses, 5 years to play 4, GPA/Test Score Sliding Scale, 85/25 Rule to name a few) as were ND Admissions requirements.

The typical ND freshman has a SAT score of about 1350 and is in the Top 5% of his HS class. The typical JUCO football player is there because he has a Test Score half of a ND freshman and was nearer the bottom 5% of his HS class. They go to JUCO because they couldn't meet the NCAA MINIMUM requirements which are a long way from ND minimums. Their courseload at JUCO is remedial while those enrolled at ND are taking First Year Studies. They can't catch up.

They get accepted by Alabama, Auburn, etc, because no one cares if they ever catch up academically. No one cares there if they graduate. They come to play football and stay eligible as long as possible.

The JUCO route for those that couldn't make it through HS isn't fertile ground for ND scholarship athletes who are expected to do well in college competing on the gridiron and in the classroom and graduating on time with a meaningful degree.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes, the ones that have bona fide academic creditentials.

Larry Moriarty '83 was the exception but the NCAA rules were considerably less then (Core Courses, 5 years to play 4, GPA/Test Score Sliding Scale, 85/25 Rule to name a few) as were ND Admissions requirements.

The typical ND freshman has a SAT score of about 1350 and is in the Top 5% of his HS class. The typical JUCO football player is there because he has a Test Score half of a ND freshman and was nearer the bottom 5% of his HS class. They go to JUCO because they couldn't meet the NCAA MINIMUM requirements which are a long way from ND minimums. Their courseload at JUCO is remedial while those enrolled at ND are taking First Year Studies. They can't catch up.

They get accepted by Alabama, Auburn, etc, because no one cares if they ever catch up academically. No one cares there if they graduate. They come to play football and stay eligible as long as possible.

The JUCO route for those that couldn't make it through HS isn't fertile ground for ND scholarship athletes who are expected to do well in college competing on the gridiron and in the classroom and graduating on time with a meaningful degree.

Moriarity was a bad a$$ FB.

 

[Walter White]

Yes, the ones that have bona fide academic creditentials.

Larry Moriarty '83 was the exception but the NCAA rules were considerably less then (Core Courses, 5 years to play 4, GPA/Test Score Sliding Scale, 85/25 Rule to name a few) as were ND Admissions requirements.

The typical ND freshman has a SAT score of about 1350 and is in the Top 5% of his HS class. The typical JUCO football player is there because he has a Test Score half of a ND freshman and was nearer the bottom 5% of his HS class. They go to JUCO because they couldn't meet the NCAA MINIMUM requirements which are a long way from ND minimums. Their courseload at JUCO is remedial while those enrolled at ND are taking First Year Studies. They can't catch up.

They get accepted by Alabama, Auburn, etc, because no one cares if they ever catch up academically. No one cares there if they graduate. They come to play football and stay eligible as long as possible.

The JUCO route for those that couldn't make it through HS isn't fertile ground for ND scholarship athletes who are expected to do well in college competing on the gridiron and in the classroom and graduating on time with a meaningful degree.

Thanks for crushing my hopes and dreams BGIF.

 

[IrishLax]

Taking "prep school" kids is actually pretty standard for just about every sport but football (and I guess basketball) at ND. The difference is that with football so many of the kids that end up in JC are there because they have academic issues and those issues end up precluding them from being a fit for ND. BGIF really hits the nail on the head with his post.

 

[ThePiombino]

While extremely disappointed in not be able to earn this kid's verbal, I will say that I'm even more impressed with what the staff has put together this year. Last year and in most recent years before that, not landing this kid's verbal would have been the death blow of a class. Not this year though. I wish it ended up differently, but to be honest, it's more for AQM's sake. He really seemed to want to be here- even his commitment to the U at the AA game didn't seem like the greatest moment of his life. I could almost sense his disappointment.

 

[NDGirlzRock]

Time to move on people.......him not wanting to do the work required to change one thing academically makes me wonder if he really was ND material. I don't think that he wanted it badly enough.

 

[ThePiombino]

Time to move on people.......him not wanting to do the work required to change one thing academically makes me wonder if he really was ND material. I don't think that he wanted it badly enough.

Unless you know something in particular that the rest of us don't (with 100% certainty), this is an extremely presumptuous statement. I would love to know what you know that makes you think he didn't want it badly enough.

 

[NDGirlzRock]

Unless you know something in particular that the rest of us don't (with 100% certainty), this is an extremely presumptuous statement. I would love to know what you know that makes you think he didn't want it badly enough.

Its called a verbal to Miami, when every indication was that he wanted ND. Guess he didn't want ND bad enough to take care of one issue.......in my book that seems like a lack of desire!!! Just my opinion here of course!!!

 

[Ironman8]

Its called a verbal to Miami, when every indication was that he wanted ND. Guess he didn't want ND bad enough to take care of one issue.......in my book that seems like a lack of desire!!!

Nope, that's not what it's called. Presumptions, not facts or even educated guessed.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I don't get this, GirzRocks has a point if misstated. (Don't use the term sucks.)

I think the situation presents the appearance, several sources have intimated that there was a path for AQM to gain admission, but that he kind of chose not to do what was required. Something like the time-fame was to long for him. As in it needed to be more immediate.

I can kind of see her point. Short term grat does not this program a habit make.

 

[Ironman8]

I don't get this, GirzRocks has a point if misstated. (Don't use the term sucks.)

I think the situation presents the appearance, several sources have intimated that there was a path for AQM to gain admission, but that he kind of chose not to do what was required. Something like the time-fame was to long for him. As in it needed to be more immediate.

I can kind of see her point. Short term grat does not this program a habit make.

There is a difference between having an opinion on a situation based on the knowledge you have at hand, and presenting something as fact through direct statement or strong inference. There is no doubt her opinion is shared by others and is reasonable for some based on the information available to them, but to state something like that as fact is irresponsible and unfair to the kid. That was what we had issue with.

 

[irishpat183]

There is a difference between having an opinion on a situation based on the knowledge you have at hand, and presenting something as fact through direct statement or strong inference. There is no doubt her opinion is shared by others and is reasonable for some based on the information available to them, but to state something like that as fact is irresponsible and unfair to the kid. That was what we had issue with.

Yes...but aren't we all guessing and making assumptions on the recruiting boards????

Even those that "know an insider"?

I see nothing wrong with the post by NDGirlzRock, either

 

[Ironman8]

Yes...but aren't we all guessing and making assumptions on the recruiting boards????

Even those that "know an insider"?

I see nothing wrong with the post by NDGirlzRock, either

Because there is a difference in wondering what a situation is, and what options are, and openly stating that a person has a lack of desire or wasn't a "RKG" based on no concrete facts. I encourage us to discuss and debate situations and the like, but we have been very adamant and consistent on not allowing uniformed personal shots or attacks at individuals, whether it be prospects, ND players, coaches, etc.

 

[ThePiombino]

Yes...but aren't we all guessing and making assumptions on the recruiting boards????

Even those that "know an insider"?

I see nothing wrong with the post by NDGirlzRock, either

Opinions, and admitting what comes from our keyboards as such, is not the issue. Claiming a kid "didn't want it enough" purely based on the fact that he verbaled somewhere else is just ignorant. Again, unless he/she knows something the rest of us don't. How do we know AQM didn't do everything under the sun to try to rectify the situation? I think our staff has proven over time that they take no issue with sparing kids the embarrassment of admitting lack of academic prowess, even if that means making it seem like the kid chose not to choose ND. Remember BOOM?

 

[NDGirlzRock]

Nope, that's not what it's called. Presumptions, not facts or even educated guessed.

What I'm not allowed to have an opinion on a situation??? I never stated that it was fact and I clearly stated that it was my opinion. So sue me for speaking my mind.......

 

[KPENN]

What I'm not allowed to have an opinion on a situation??? I never stated that it was fact and I clearly stated that it was my opinion. So sue me for speaking my mind.......

It was an opinion off an assumption you made that you have absolutely no firsthand knowledge. Maybe he tried to get his problems fixed and couldn't? That's why people are jumping on you for it

 

[NDGirlzRock]

There is a difference between having an opinion on a situation based on the knowledge you have at hand, and presenting something as fact through direct statement or strong inference. There is no doubt her opinion is shared by others and is reasonable for some based on the information available to them, but to state something like that as fact is irresponsible and unfair to the kid. That was what we had issue with.

Again I never stated anything as fact (I actually used the words "I think" in the initial statement, so how can there be an issue).....YOU assumed too much from a simple declarative sentence. If it had been based on fact I would have stated my source.....see I too am a mod on another ND site and know better than to not state a source in calling something like this out. I for one would think that you would not POUNCE on someone for a clearly stated opinion. Plus if we have all thought something similar......ie you get the point.

 

[woolybug25]

Its called a verbal to Miami, when every indication was that he wanted ND. Guess he didn't want ND bad enough to take care of one issue.......in my book that seems like a lack of desire!!! Just my opinion here of course!!!

I have always loved ya girl, but seriously... did you have enough desire to get into Notre Dame?

If I am wrong, my bad. But Notre Dame isn't a base level of accomplishment. Kids miss out every year academically with our school and claiming that makes them a bad person is silly. Is every single good person you ever met capable of getting into Notre Dame?

This kid has never said a bad word about Notre Dame and wanted to come here. I feel more sorry for him than mad.

 

[Ironman8]

Again I never stated anything as fact (I actually used the words "I think" in the initial statement, so how can there be an issue).....YOU assumed too much from a simple declarative sentence. If it had been based on fact I would have stated my source.....see I too am a mod on another ND site and know better than to not state a source in calling something like this out. I for one would think that you would not POUNCE on someone for a clearly stated opinion. Plus if we have all thought something similar......ie you get the point.

We have not all thought something similar. I said some. I was being delicate. People can throw around "I thinks" and "my opinion..." after any old thing and try and justify it that way, but that does not make it any better.

If you are a mod on another ND site, I truly hope you don't let your members make uninformed, negative inferences on a recruit's lake of desire or work ethic simply because they can pass it off as their thoughts on a matter. We don't do things like that here. I am sorry if that is disagreeable to you.