'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[Bogtrotter07]

Don't get me wrong I still want Eddie however, like mentioned in previous post(s) today he seems more like a Nose Tackle than a DE. Seems shorter run stopper build....

Did you see him play defense today? He had his 300 lbs all across the field!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

hate to do this but.........what are you saying

Maybe he was saying that Redfield fell in love with ND and went back and took an official to SC then comitted to us yesterday.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Did you see him play defense today? He had his 300 lbs all across the field!

Yes saw the game. And yes he went sideline to sideline ....still see him as an interior D lineman.

 

[magogian]

According to 247, he is only 6'1". But he is a good one!

 

[Old Man Mike]

With the Muhammad disappointment, and the news that Slaughter is likely coming back, I'm getting a creepy feeling that if we do not get Vanderdoes our "perfect recruiting class" [which it HAS been] is going to whiff at the D-Line position and [although it's great to have Rochell and Matuska] come up short like we did at O-Line last year.

Although we are loaded this coming year, assuming Tuitt goes NFL the next, we lose a ton [literally and talentwise] for 2014. This makes me nervous unless we pull extremely advanced D-Line recruits [probably four of them] in the 2014 class --- which I am hearing is not deep in scholarship numbers as is. Getting shallow on either line is the only thing which can hinder the powerhouse Kelly is manufacturing. .... and No, we can't get anybody we want, even with our record.

All the Superswifts and spectacular skills guys cannot save our butts game-by-game without highly functional solidly two-deep lines, especially for the D-Line rotation.

Creeps please go away. Give me another D-Lineman. I'd like a dynasty please.

 

[BMT]

Could one of our current o-line recruits or backups make the switch to nose or D-tackle?

 

[Emcee77]

Could one of our current o-line recruits or backups make the switch to nose or D-tackle?

Not that I know of, but even if they could, I'm not sure we'd want them to. We are thin on the OL, having lost Prestwood and Carrico and maybe now Tate Nichols, and with Cave and Golic graduating.

 

[DANsanity15]

Read somewhere the other day that Tuitt's mom wants him to get his degree before the NFL. Not sure when he's on track to graduate, but I wouldn't count him out of staying all 4 years just yet.

 

[koonja]

With the Muhammad disappointment, and the news that Slaughter is likely coming back, I'm getting a creepy feeling that if we do not get Vanderdoes our "perfect recruiting class" [which it HAS been] is going to whiff at the D-Line position and [although it's great to have Rochell and Matuska] come up short like we did at O-Line last year.

Although we are loaded this coming year, assuming Tuitt goes NFL the next, we lose a ton [literally and talentwise] for 2014. This makes me nervous unless we pull extremely advanced D-Line recruits [probably four of them] in the 2014 class --- which I am hearing is not deep in scholarship numbers as is. Getting shallow on either line is the only thing which can hinder the powerhouse Kelly is manufacturing. .... and No, we can't get anybody we want, even with our record.

All the Superswifts and spectacular skills guys cannot save our butts game-by-game without highly functional solidly two-deep lines, especially for the D-Line rotation.

Creeps please go away. Give me another D-Lineman. I'd like a dynasty please.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet he does not get another year.

 

[Rocky2820]

Read somewhere the other day that Tuitt's mom wants him to get his degree before the NFL. Not sure when he's on track to graduate, but I wouldn't count him out of staying all 4 years just yet.

Remember, she pretty much insisted that he attend ND over Georgia Tech because of the value she placed on an ND education. Education has always been the priority in that household. We'll see how it plays out in another 12 months.

 

[NDhoosier]

With the Muhammad disappointment, and the news that Slaughter is likely coming back, I'm getting a creepy feeling that if we do not get Vanderdoes our "perfect recruiting class" [which it HAS been] is going to whiff at the D-Line position and [although it's great to have Rochell and Matuska] come up short like we did at O-Line last year.

Although we are loaded this coming year, assuming Tuitt goes NFL the next, we lose a ton [literally and talentwise] for 2014. This makes me nervous unless we pull extremely advanced D-Line recruits [probably four of them] in the 2014 class --- which I am hearing is not deep in scholarship numbers as is. Getting shallow on either line is the only thing which can hinder the powerhouse Kelly is manufacturing. .... and No, we can't get anybody we want, even with our record.

All the Superswifts and spectacular skills guys cannot save our butts game-by-game without highly functional solidly two-deep lines, especially for the D-Line rotation.

Creeps please go away. Give me another D-Lineman. I'd like a dynasty please.

maybe, but we are in decent position with 5 good Dline for the 2014 class.
DT - Jay Hayes - committed to ND
DE - Malik McDowell
DE - Andrew Williams
DT - Enoch Smith
DE - Andrew Trumbetti

^ All of those guys are legit, and all of those guys have serious interest in ND

 

[Bogtrotter07]

'14, that is where we have to concentrate on D-line. LB and DB will be minimal, (relatively).

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Read somewhere the other day that Tuitt's mom wants him to get his degree before the NFL. Not sure when he's on track to graduate, but I wouldn't count him out of staying all 4 years just yet.

He can go back to school. If he is a top 5 pick which is very possible, he should leave.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

He can go back to school. If he is a top 5 pick which is very possible, he should leave.

I thought Ed was supposed to announce today? I could be wrong.....I'm often wrong. Calgon, take me away!!!!!

 

[mgriff]

I thought Ed was supposed to announce today? I could be wrong.....I'm often wrong. Calgon, take me away!!!!!

I think I read in this thread that it was going to be signing day?

 

[Luckylucci]

Its signing day. Never planned in it being today. Since he decommited, his announcement date has been signing day so he can take all his visits.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I think I read in this thread that it was going to be signing day?

Its signing day. Never planned in it being today. Since he decommited, his announcement date has been signing day so he can take all his visits.

Thanks boys...

 

[ThePiombino]

Read somewhere the other day that Tuitt's mom wants him to get his degree before the NFL. Not sure when he's on track to graduate, but I wouldn't count him out of staying all 4 years just yet.

This is correct. She said something along the lines of not needing anything money could give her and she wanted him to get his degree. I hear what you're all saying about being a potential top-5 pick, but this is one momma who gets what she wants it seems. I wouldn't argue with her here

As for EV- I have to agree that, while impressive being all over the field, I think it was only impressive when viewing him as a DT. He is built for the inside, I'm sorry. He might be able to be effective on the outside, but he would be DOMINANT inside. Don't see why he or ND would deny that.

 

[Irish To The Core]

To me Vanderdoes looks like he could play tackle in the 4-3 and end in the 3-4 OR nose tackle and tackle. He moves like a rush end and has the bulk of a nose guard. He is very versatile and I am sure our coaching staff will be straight up about the fact that he may see duty in different spots.

Also those posters who are simplifying this down to whichever team wins on Monday picks up his commitment are just wrong. It will likely have SOME influence, but his OV and interviews with the prospective staffs will be much bigger factors. Personally, I think since Eddie is interested in ND at this stage of recruiting, the chances are good that he "connects" during his visit and decides to come to Notre Dame. He will look at 'Bama and think "Wow what a great place." then look at Notre Dame and say "This is the ONLY place for me."

File this for NSD.

 

[ThePiombino]

To me Vanderdoes looks like he could play tackle in the 4-3 and end in the 3-4 OR nose tackle and tackle. He moves like a rush end and has the bulk of a nose guard. He is very versatile and I am sure our coaching staff will be straight up about the fact that he may see duty in different spots.

Also those posters who are simplifying this down to whichever team wins on Monday picks up his commitment are just wrong. It will likely have SOME influence, but his OV and interviews with the prospective staffs will be much bigger factors. Personally, I think since Eddie is interested in ND at this stage of recruiting, the chances are good that he "connects" during his visit and decides to come to Notre Dame. He will look at 'Bama and think "Wow what a great place." then look at Notre Dame and say "This is the ONLY place for me."

File this for NSD.

Completely agree with you. I think will come down to where he feels most at home. He knows he will succeed on the field at any of these 3 places, prolly more so at ND and Bama only given the path that SC appears to be on.

 

[Irish#1]

To me Vanderdoes looks like he could play tackle in the 4-3 and end in the 3-4 OR nose tackle and tackle. He moves like a rush end and has the bulk of a nose guard. He is very versatile and I am sure our coaching staff will be straight up about the fact that he may see duty in different spots.

Also those posters who are simplifying this down to whichever team wins on Monday picks up his commitment are just wrong. It will likely have SOME influence, but his OV and interviews with the prospective staffs will be much bigger factors. Personally, I think since Eddie is interested in ND at this stage of recruiting, the chances are good that he "connects" during his visit and decides to come to Notre Dame. He will look at 'Bama and think "Wow what a great place." then look at Notre Dame and say "This is the ONLY place for me."

File this for NSD.

I could see him turning into another JJ Watt. The Texans line him up all over the place.

 

[Irishman77]

Read somewhere the other day that Tuitt's mom wants him to get his degree before the NFL. Not sure when he's on track to graduate, but I wouldn't count him out of staying all 4 years just yet.

Yes. Going to Notre Dame and not getting your degree is silly and doesn't make any sense. I feel very strong we got tuitt for 4.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think tuitt stays. He will be a high draft pick next year but still think he stays for that degree. No info just my gut that tells me. Floyd, manti, and Eifert have started something. We finish what we start. These kids are something special and now its expectations.

 

[JughedJones]

Yes. Going to Notre Dame and not getting your degree is silly and doesn't make any sense. I feel very strong we got tuitt for 4.

Reading that latest article on ESPN makes me believe that he will indeed stay for all 4.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

If I were a betting man, I'd bet he does not get another year.

And that would be the safe bet. But with the NCAA . . . They would have some dweeb look at it, go over the medical, then look at the team information, and say, "There is no reason in Heaven or on Earth to grant this hardship -- HARDSHIP GRANTED!"

 

[IrishLion]

OMM got me thinking about it, so I wanted to put it down in writing to see what we could be looking at in 2014 if Tuitt doesn't stay for a 4th year. I'm sure Whiskey's chart would be much better and could address my mistakes, but I'm bored:

Day (JR), Springmann (RS JR), Jones (RS SO), Hounshell (RS JR), Okwara (JR), Rochell (SO), Matuska (SO) are the guys that should be around for sure, barring medical/transfer (or position changes, such as Matuska playing TE). That's 7 guys all with at least one year left on the DL.

Then, you can factor in a surprise position change (Randolph puts his hand in the dirt full time) that could give you 8 guys. And of course, Jay Hayes is committed, giving you 9+ after other commitments that would be freshman in 2014. So, best-case scenario (no medical schollies/transfers), there could be 9 or more guys with at least one year left in 2014. Losing out on Vanderdoes would hurt, but I don't think the situation would be as dire as anything Willingham or Weis left behind.

Or my numbers/class-years are way off and this post was pointless haha.

EDIT: I included Okwara on the DL, assuming he would move down if this were the case in terms of numbers. I know many people think he is destined for DE anyway, considering his size/frame and the young guys coming in behind him.

 

[RuntheBall]

I think EV is a big need. As stated he can play anywhere- we will need help especially in the middle (I think). We don't wan to have to count on Jay Hayes (or any freshmen) in 2014.

Sidenote: Could Ishaq play DE? I would like him on the field, but it will be hard with Shembo next year (and our LB class coming in).

 

[Irish YJ]

EV IMHO is a big need. I've read all the post saying we'll be just fine without him, but he is on another level. Big Lou is on another level, and we are where we are in part because of him and his impact to the DL. If we don't get EV, NT becomes an even bigger need in 2014. I'm not by any means saying we wouldn't be good without a Nix/EV type NT, but it does take the DL line to another level with a guy like EV.

To your Q about Ishaq, I do think he could move to DE, but he'd have to pack on 25-30lbs. Not impossible, but a challenge.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I think EV is a big need. As stated he can play anywhere- we will need help especially in the middle (I think). We don't wan to have to count on Jay Hayes (or any freshmen) in 2014.

Sidenote: Could Ishaq play DE? I would like him on the field, but it will be hard with Shembo next year (and our LB class coming in).

i've wondered the same thing...possible log jam being created at CAT...just don't know if he'll be able to hold a gap like Kap does...might end up being best him staying where he is, were always one bad play away from really needing him for prince.

 

[RuntheBall]

I stumbled across this on an Alabama board post. The author predicts where major prospects (considering Bama) will go (though he doesn't seem great; maybe someone with an idea on national recruiting can give us an idea).

Eddie Vanderdoes, DT Placer, CA 6'3'' 300 - recently de-committed from USC. It might be tough to lure him to Tuscaloosa. IMHO: ugh, Notre Dame

EDIT: Want to include link:
2013 IMHO Recruiting Board - Roll 'Bama Roll