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IrishLax said:
That decision to punt was one of the silliest calls I think I have ever seen. There is soooooo much that can go wrong on a punt. Why not go for it? Or even kick the field goal?
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30-40 yards to tie or 50-70. That's why. I agreed with the decision
 
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30-40 yards to tie or 50-70. That's why. I agreed with the decision
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I also thought they should go for it for a nano second then thought better about it. Only up by three, field postion was a must. Great call. Tauch should've had been able to angle punt better. Oh well, it worked out.
 
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IrishLax said:
That decision to punt was one of the silliest calls I think I have ever seen. There is soooooo much that can go wrong on a punt. Why not go for it? Or even kick the field goal?
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Good call but poor execution. If Tausch puts that ball inside the 10, it's ball game. If they go for it and don't get it (first down or FG), BYU has good field position.
 
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Me2SouthBend said:
Good call but poor execution. If Tausch puts that ball inside the 10, it's ball game. If they go for it and don't get it (first down or FG), BYU has good field position.
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But what are the odds of Turk doing that? We were inside the 30... end result of the play was like a 10 yard difference.

Field goal = 50% chance you make it and they need a TD, 50% they have to go 50 to be in FG range.
Go for it = game over or they have to go 50 yards to be in FG range.
Punt = can get blocked, can have a bad snap, can get a return, or can at best pin them inside the 10 so they have to go 70 for a TD.

I'm pretty sure Football Outsiders would say that was a ridiculously bad decision by the odds.
 
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IrishLax said:
But what are the odds of Turk doing that? We were inside the 30... end result of the play was like a 10 yard difference.

Field goal = 50% chance you make it and they need a TD, 50% they have to go 50 to be in FG range.
Go for it = game over or they have to go 50 yards to be in FG range.
Punt = can get blocked, can have a bad snap, can get a return, or can at best pin them inside the 10 so they have to go 70 for a TD.

I'm pretty sure Football Outsiders would say that was a ridiculously bad decision by the odds.
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A lot of what you said about the punt can be said about the FG. What if they block the FG and return it for a touchdown.
 
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IrishLax said:
But what are the odds of Turk doing that? We were inside the 30... end result of the play was like a 10 yard difference.

Field goal = 50% chance you make it and they need a TD, 50% they have to go 50 to be in FG range.
Go for it = game over or they have to go 50 yards to be in FG range.
Punt = can get blocked, can have a bad snap, can get a return, or can at best pin them inside the 10 so they have to go 70 for a TD.

I'm pretty sure Football Outsiders would say that was a ridiculously bad decision by the odds.
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From what I have seen BYU needs to be inside the 10 to make a field goal even close to a sure thing. Was surprised they did not go for it and even attempted a field goal on that one possession.
 
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It's not like it was a chip shot fg. It would have been a 47-48 yarder. If he just barely punts it and let's it roll its inside the 20.
 
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IrishLax said:
But what are the odds of Turk doing that? We were inside the 30... end result of the play was like a 10 yard difference.

Field goal = 50% chance you make it and they need a TD, 50% they have to go 50 to be in FG range.
Go for it = game over or they have to go 50 yards to be in FG range.
Punt = can get blocked, can have a bad snap, can get a return, or can at best pin them inside the 10 so they have to go 70 for a TD.

I'm pretty sure Football Outsiders would say that was a ridiculously bad decision by the odds.
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I think they were between the 30-35 yard line, even at the 25 it's a 42 yard attempt and Brindza was not giving this staff lots of reason to believe. Snaps can go awry in the FG game as well as the punt game. I liked the call, should have pinned them at the 5 w a 25 yard gain in field position.
 
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Me2SouthBend said:
I think they were between the 30-35 yard line, even at the 25 it's a 42 yard attempt and Brindza was not giving this staff lots of reason to believe. Snaps can go awry in the FG game as well as the punt game. I liked the call, should have pinned them at the 5 w a 25 yard gain in field position.
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The ball was at the 32 yd line for a 49 yd FG. Besides being a long kick, it requires a lower trajectory which makes it easier to block and resulting good field position. Kelly undoubtedly had that in mind, as well as, the 16 yds lost on the bad snap in the last game.

On the other hand Turk has done well over the years kicking for the corner. But as noted he didn't execute. But the damage for lack of execution was 1st and 10 at the 20 with no time outs instead of 1st and 10 at midfield.


Willingham punting from the opponents 30 when ND was trailing very late in the 4th Q was a bad call. This one wasn't.

ND gave up 2 TDs today. Diacco had the people in the right place but twice somebody blew an assignment. Bad execution.
 
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Kelly wanted Turk to pooch the ball but keep it in the field of play; he wanted the play to erase several more seconds off the clock. That's why he was all over Turk's butt for kicking it out of bounds.
 
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To be clear, I advocated going for it. Not kicking the FG. Just thought FG was also an acceptable option vs. punt... but I think the odds say you go for it there.
 
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Old Man Mike said:
Kelly wanted Turk to pooch the ball but keep it in the field of play; he wanted the play to erase several more seconds off the clock. That's why he was all over Turk's butt for kicking it out of bounds.
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Inside the coach's head (and watching the TV after the play rather than throwing things at it).




(And as they say in the post debate spin, "That's clearly what I meant by lack of execution!")
 
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I love that after a game now we are arguing about punting vs field goal vs conversion. We have come a long way gentlemen!
 
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Some good numbers from SB Tribune, credit Eric Hansen.

The first point he makes w successive wins should be extended by a couple down the stretch.

Notable numbers

- Notre Dame's sixth successive home win is the longest since coach Bob Davie's 1997-99 Irish teams strung together 10.

- Eifert's first-quarter TD catch was the 10th of his career. He now trails Ken MacAfee by five for the school record.

- The Irish are now 58-7 at home all-time as a top five team.

- Notre Dame has won 15 of its past 18 games overall.
 
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Notable numbers

- Notre Dame's sixth successive home win is the longest since coach Bob Davie's 1997-99 Irish teams strung together 10.
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What is Notre Dame's record at home since we started piping the music into the stadium last year? I can't remember which game it started.
 
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