rikkitikki08
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Michigan fans are awful
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Michigan fans are awful
ickythump1225
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After watching the replay several times and watching the gif that has been made it seems abundantly clear that forward progress was stopped and the play was dead. I doubt our defense would sprint off the field in celebration if the play was alive. Even after Taylor, like a thief in the night, tries to steal a TD after the play his elbow was (probably) down before he fumbled the ball across the goal line.
The fact that Shaw, as a head coach, is getting in front of cameras and reporters and complaining about the call and talking about phantom whistles is disgraceful. It's fine if Stanford, scUM, and other college football fans want to cry about it...that's what fans do. But for a coach to cry and allow his players to cry shows a lack of class and grace.
Sometimes you believe you got shafted but that's life, it happens. As a team, and certainly as a coach, you need to button it up and move on. I don't recall Charlie Weis and Brady Quinn crying foul when Leinart pushed Bush into the endzone.
The fact that Shaw, as a head coach, is getting in front of cameras and reporters and complaining about the call and talking about phantom whistles is disgraceful. It's fine if Stanford, scUM, and other college football fans want to cry about it...that's what fans do. But for a coach to cry and allow his players to cry shows a lack of class and grace.
Sometimes you believe you got shafted but that's life, it happens. As a team, and certainly as a coach, you need to button it up and move on. I don't recall Charlie Weis and Brady Quinn crying foul when Leinart pushed Bush into the endzone.
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They really are...I mean that game was almost a month ago get over it. Yeah it was phantom whistles, stadium music, and oh don't forget about the mafia and the Men in Black that caused Michigan to lose...most definitely not "Shoestring" and the gang coughing the ball up 6 times.
Maybe a higher power blew a fake whistle earlier. Maybe a higher power caused the refs and review refs to see something that wasn't what it really was. Maybe a higher power convinced the defensive players to jump up and celebrate (all of them) prematurely. Geez folks look at the replay in real time. Look at his elbow in slo-mo if you don't buy the forward progress being stopped. It was not a TD
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It would make sense if they put a microphone in the student section to pump up the crowd noise.
I have no problem with that whatsoever.
However I DID hear a whistle on tv during the play that Shaw was complaining about.
It's unfortunate, but such is life in sports, especially college football.
Controversy is an every weekend occurrence and enough bad things go against us that eventually things even out.
I have no problem with that whatsoever.
However I DID hear a whistle on tv during the play that Shaw was complaining about.
It's unfortunate, but such is life in sports, especially college football.
Controversy is an every weekend occurrence and enough bad things go against us that eventually things even out.
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I just watched the play where shaw was bitching about phantom whistle and honestly didn't hear squat and the Stanford oline looks like they continued to play but the play was just blown up. **** Stanford **** Michigan, sour grapes, when Stanford got away with all those cheap shots on Crist back in 10' I never heard squat or the ridiculous obvious holds that Michigan got away with...well every yr.
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Do they not realize our home record the past few years?
Inadvertent whistles happen a lot. So they want ND to check all 80k plus fans before the game for whistles?
Haters gonna hate.
Pac 12 crew with Big East review booth.
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Rule 4-1-3 says this: "A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound his whistle or declare it dead ... when a ball carrier is so held that his forward progress is stopped." When I watch the video, I see forward progress stopped before the runner did his little twist. The lack of forward progress makes the ball dead. The whistle in this situation acts as a confirmation only.
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He needs to hit the weight room in order to be as cool as his dad.
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I always look to Michigan Fans for there unbiased opinions on Notre Dame Football!
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The comments on Mgoblog are hysterical. Talking about the controversial calls against them when they play us, seriously? Saying music should only be played during timeouts, our band cheats, blah blah blah.
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I'm a Dolphins fan....so yeah, he can go fly a kite.
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Not a football team to plat QB that's for sure. Left with a rep as a pussy. Maybe he could hold for extra points.
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If an ND player would have come up and hit him while he was still wiggling they would have called a late hit. We win. Got to celebrate hard twice. Once after the initialncall and again after the booth review. My hand is swollen from hard high fives.
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This is correct, and you could have included the next/last sentence of that article, which makes the point even stronger:
(pretty sure that is for player saftey purposes)
Additionally, fumbling forward to a teammate, causes the ball to be moved back to the spot of the fumble (before the plane, or plain as Mike Pereira would call it). Article 7.2.2
David Shaw wants to complain about the 2 yards that he lost on the reviewed pass in the 4th QTR; he is right about that, but he doesn't acknowledge that a 2nd and close to 10 all of a sudden became a 3rd and 7 after the pass was ruled incomplete; basically he got hosed for 2 yds of field position, but was gifted 3 yards of down and distance (most/all coaches would take that trade-off)
And, if they want to nitpick about stuff: I'm pretty certain (although I honestly don't have a clear replay on it) that Brindza was contacted after the field goal attempt at the end of regulation. Unfortunately the camera followed the ball (which it should), but it looked like a Cardinal defender was bearing down on him, and then after the FG was madewhen the camera panned back to him it appeared that Brindza was getting back up off the turf. It is possible that Brindza fell avoiding the Stanford player, so don't know if anyone at the stadium can confirm if Brindza was actually contacted during the play. That would have been a first and goal from the 2, with 2 timeouts still in Kelly's pocket and about 20 seconds. Not to bitch and complain, but just curious about that play and whether there was contact.
The "whistle" play was a great call from Diaco. He blitzed farley and stanford had no one on him. He was in the back field before the play could unfold. And the replay clearly shows everyone one the play going full tilt.
Shaw is just classless ... as are all the whiny post game tweets from stanford players. I just hope BK and our players never act like this is in a tough loss. I really don't think they would ... particularly the players.
Shaw is just classless ... as are all the whiny post game tweets from stanford players. I just hope BK and our players never act like this is in a tough loss. I really don't think they would ... particularly the players.
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They learned some winning traits from Harbaugh, but also learned these poor ones.
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I say keep questioning this team. Keep giving them more reasons to go out every day and work their butts off in practice. Let us keep being the underdog, lucky, cheaters. This team will eat it up and continue to come out and prove themselves. More doubters is more fuel to work hard in practice and games. I like it. GO IRISH!!!
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Forward progress looked like it was completely stopped to my biased eyes, but even then, I don't see how that last play could have been ruled a touchdown from all the replays I saw. It looked like his elbow was down on the one camera angle from above and the ball wasn't past the goal line at that point if you go from that point on the goal-line camera.
I would be interested in seeing more angles on their second down run. I replayed it a couple times, but it appeared his knee was down first. It was hard to tell from just the game replay though.
I would be interested in seeing more angles on their second down run. I replayed it a couple times, but it appeared his knee was down first. It was hard to tell from just the game replay though.
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One thing to remember, though...... forward progress being stopped does not automatically end the play. In a case of forward progress being halted, the play is not over until the whistle is blown. So his forward progress could be stopped, but the play still be live because no whistle was blown. I know that many people have said that the line judge running in from the sideline to mark the ball is evidence that the whistle had blown, and the play was over, but I don't think so. If you look at the replay, the line judge was running in to get a good view of the eventual spot of the ball, but his arms were not extended above his head, signalling the clock operator to stop the clock. This would indicate that the play had NOT been blown dead yet. I don't think the play was a TD, but I think we ought to be objective about it. There *is* an argument for him scoring. But, in the end, I think that argument falls short because there is no conclusive evidence, to overturn the call on the field.
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Yeah, posted that graphic in the game thread. It's kinda funny to think about "what if KeiVarae and Manti piled on instead of celebrating after it was blown dead?" Taylor would've been completely squashed.
Don't even know how this is considered controversial anymore. It's controversial whether his elbow touched... or whether Golson stepped out of bound before fumbling.... this is not controversial. The play is blown dead, then players stop playing defense and start celebrating, then Taylor rolls into the endzone. With the logic Stanford/pundits want to use every time a player has forward progress blown dead and players let up they could run 50 yards for a TD because they weren't touched down.
Don't even know how this is considered controversial anymore. It's controversial whether his elbow touched... or whether Golson stepped out of bound before fumbling.... this is not controversial. The play is blown dead, then players stop playing defense and start celebrating, then Taylor rolls into the endzone. With the logic Stanford/pundits want to use every time a player has forward progress blown dead and players let up they could run 50 yards for a TD because they weren't touched down.