Oct 13 | Stanford

[koonja]

I just read that SU TE 6'-8" Toilolo has a 36" vertical jump. Carlo's gonna need his people to guard him. I envision a lot of failing arms along with "S@#$, somebody get my man!"

Carlo and Fox have played much better than last year but with a 6'-8", 263 TE with a 36" vertical (the other TE in their dual TE group is only 6-6, 247). I'd be tempted to put Niklas back on defense for one game and have him shadow Toilolo.

I say we let Jaylon play just one game this year and let it be vs. Stanford. Have him blanket Toilolo all game.

 

[fightingirish26]

Why not just councell

 

[koonja]

Why not just councell

Because Jaylon's more of a freak athlete.

 

[TheChosen1]

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[BGIF]

Because Jaylon's more of a freak athlete.

Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the Tree with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.

But alas, he nay be here for another year. The freak that is here is Niklas. WHO IS SEVEN FEET TALL and entire OLines fall before him with a single glance.

Alas, he may still be needed on the other side to make the offense get off it's arse.



I fear neither The Fox nor The Eyetalian may be up to the task.

Councell will be occupied with the other TE. SU's plays dual TE's most of the time.

 

[TDHeysus]

Why not just councell

im pretty sure BK said in a very recent presser that Councell is shut down for the year...did i not hear that correctly?

 

[TheChosen1]

im pretty sure BK said in a very recent presser that Councell is shut down for the year...did i not hear that correctly?

You did not

 

[BGIF]

im pretty sure BK said in a very recent presser that Councell is shut down for the year...did i not hear that correctly?

It was the other 'ell guy.

Hounshell was recently shut down for the year.

 

[Grahambo]

I think I saw a quote somewhere that said Stanford this season is practically Michigan State with higher SAT scores.

Sounds about right.

Top two leading receivers are the TEs. With the Taylor catching 15 passes himself. Judging by Nunes 54% completion percentage, stuff the box and force him to beat you. I feel extremely confident in the secondary with the ability to shut down the passing game.

Taylor is really the only offensive threat that is worth two cents. I would think a strategy similar to the Michigan State game is in order.

Both outside receivers are about 4.5 speed so nothing overly concerning.

 

[irishff1014]

As long as we can keep Taylor in check i think we should be ok. My question is will be able to run the ball? I know that we won't eat them up like the Miami game but, i would still like to see 150-200 yards. I really like the game plan the offense had for Miami hopefully it will be the same this coming weekend.

 

[Buster Bluth]

 

[PANDFAN]

Toilio or however u spell it was a huge mismatch in the game nut also left a lot of plays on the field w 2 key drops...nunes when watching game had some very nice.throws and then a lot of head scratchers...he hasn't been consistent and zona had a lot of running lanes where. The zone read.was used.....Stanfords losses have been by teams able to do this which is exactly y they have had usc's #..

The offense we utilized againsrt Miami is what we need to spread Stanford out

 

[jason_h537]

ND and Stanford's D are very similar in what they want to do. Stuff the run and pressure the QB. It will be a very physical game. Nunes has been shake all year but he put up 300 and the Wildcats. Stanford doesn't post a vertical threat so the secondary should be good. Fundamentals will be key.

If ND plays the way they did offensively against Miami then they should win by 10. I think it is safe to say this is ND's biggest test so far.

 

[arrowryan]

This game isn't any different than the Michigan State game. Stop the running game and make the young quarterback beat you, it is that simple.

On offense, we will face a physical front 7 like we did against MSU. Spreaad them out and use our speed against them. Stanford has nothing we can't stop, if we don't turn the ball over and play fundamental football then I like our chances

 

[MPClinton22]

All I can say is I am thrilled that Everett had a good game against Miami. Getting him that confidence was HUGE because he gives us the best chance to beat Stanford with his ability to evade a rush. I think that if we can keep their D honest with a few long passes to Davaris or Chris Brown (I want to see him come down with a 40 yard bomb. He needs to get involved) that we win by a somewhat comfortable margin.

You have to believe that the fans are going to be hyped up for this game, what with Gameday on hand and our second biggest home opponent coming to town. I can say pretty confidently that the students are as excited for this weekend now as they were for Michigan. It's going to be awesome.

 

[jason_h537]

This game isn't any different than the Michigan State game. Stop the running game and make the young quarterback beat you, it is that simple.

On offense, we will face a physical front 7 like we did against MSU. Spreaad them out and use our speed against them. Stanford has nothing we can't stop, if we don't turn the ball over and play fundamental football then I like our chances

The difference is that Stanford is significantly better than MSU. Hey Alabama isn't much different than Michigan St either using that logic.

 

[IrishLax]

The difference is that Stanford is significantly better than MSU. Hey Alabama isn't much different than Michigan St either using that logic.

Are they really? I mean on offense... yeah, you could say that. Especially at the TE position and on the OL. On D you can't convince me that Stanford is better than MSU.

 

[jason_h537]

Are they really? I mean on offense... yeah, you could say that. Especially at the TE position and on the OL. On D you can't convince me that Stanford is better than MSU.

Watch the USC game and tell me they are not. The stuff the run and pressure the QB. This is the same line that was in ND's backfield before Rees even snapped the ball last year. Yes Arizona put up yards but Stanford would beat MSU pretty handidly.

 

[IrishLax]

Watch the USC game and tell me they are not. The stuff the run and pressure the QB. This is the same line that was in ND's backfield before Rees even snapped the ball last year. Yes Arizona put up yards but Stanford would beat MSU pretty handidly.

Well.... OK.... that's kinda an invalid argument considering how bad Stanford looked against Arizona, San Jose State, and Washington... can't just hand pick one game and say "look how good they are!"

Looking at the whole picture, there is no way that you can say they're "significantly" better on D. Maybe you can make an argument for them being "marginally" better but even that's going to be tough.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Yes Arizona put up yards

617 of them, to be exact.

I have no doubts in Stanford's ability to play the interior run. I do have doubts in their ability to stop a balanced offense.

This game will be on Everett's shoulders, I think that much is obvious.

 

[jason_h537]

Well.... OK.... that's kinda an invalid argument considering how bad Stanford looked against Arizona, San Jose State, and Washington... can't just hand pick one game and say "look how good they are!"

Looking at the whole picture, there is no way that you can say they're "significantly" better on D. Maybe you can make an argument for them being "marginally" better but even that's going to be tough.

Well Stanford currently has the 6th ranked rushing D, higher than ND and MSU. They are both inthe top 50 in total defense. You can say look at what Arizona did to Stanford, but look at what Indiana did to MSU. They also play in the Pac-10 which is easily a better conference than the B1G.

Stanford is a better team than MSU, and I think they are significantly better. I think MSU has a good defense and has benefited from playing in the B1G. They played an Irish team that was struggling offensively and gave up 20 points. I do not understand why people are so dismissive of them. I have heard it every year. "When Toby graduates, Stanford will be a dorrmat again". "Now that Harbaugh is gone, Stanford is going to suck". "Let's see how good Stanford is without Luck". Guess what they are still good.

I expect Notre Dame to win and cover but I do not think there should be any doubt that this is the best team the Irish will have played so far.

 

[Zwidmanio]

I just read that SU TE 6'-8" Toilolo has a 36" vertical jump. Carlo's gonna need his people to guard him. I envision a lot of failing arms along with "S@#$, somebody get my man!"

Carlo and Fox have played much better than last year but with a 6'-8", 263 TE with a 36" vertical (the other TE in their dual TE group is only 6-6, 247). I'd be tempted to put Niklas back on defense for one game and have him shadow Toilolo.

I wouldn't have guessed that he had that kind of vertical. I'm far from an expert and I've only watched him play for a grand total of maybe five minutes, but Toilolo was not that impressive to me. While flipping through the Stanford game I even noted he seemed somewhat unathletic and while he did make some plays he also left a few on the field.

Two plays in particular stood out to me. One was in the end zone where a far shorter DB out-jumped him to prevent a reception/TD. It didn't even seem as if he jumped or made that much of a play on the ball. Another was near the end zone where the ball was a bit overthrown but I also didn't see him make much of a play on the ball either.

All in all, he is huge and I'm sure he's a capable tight end, but from the little that I saw I was not overly impressed. We will see this weekend.

 

[NDhoosier]

every team we have played seems to be the "best team we have played so far..."

Stanford is just like MSU in every way... I dont see a difference in the teams, you can basically interchange the players on each team and it would be pretty similar. I think MSU has a better Dline, but Stanford may have a better group of LBs...

It may be hard to run against them unless the Oline and TEs step up, but I dont see how Stanford will score on us.

 

[Rudy89]

I misjudged them, this game is gonna be a rough one, hopefully we can pull it off. Would be nice to secure bowl eligibility right off the bat.

 

[Zwidmanio]

I do think that Stanford is probably better than any of the teams we've seen so far, but I also don't think that it matters because ND is still the better team and I like how we stack up against them. Our defense has been outstanding, and the last game's TD-fest notwithstanding, they haven't been especially impressive and their strengths seem to match up against ours. If our offense has indeed "turned the corner" or at the least has gained some cohesiveness and confidence, I like our chances at being being able to do enough to notch another win.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

I think Stanford has a really stout defense, but I look at it this way:

Our receivers have been getting open all season. If our line can protect to a decent degree, and Golson can deliver the ball like he did against Miami, then we will move the ball. And that's not even bringing up the supreme athletes we have in the backfield.

I think it will be a close game, but the Irish make a key stop in the 4th quarter and grind out enough first downs to seal the deal. If Nunes has a bad game and Golson has a good one, it could turn into a mini-rout.

 

[BMT]

Stanfords D is very very good, you have to spread it out and throw, thats how both AZ and Wash had any success. Will be very hard to run well on with frequency. I have seen 2 of their games?

 

[Grahambo]

Well Stanford currently has the 6th ranked rushing D, higher than ND and MSU. They are both inthe top 50 in total defense. You can say look at what Arizona did to Stanford, but look at what Indiana did to MSU. They also play in the Pac-10 which is easily a better conference than the B1G.

Stanford is a better team than MSU, and I think they are significantly better. I think MSU has a good defense and has benefited from playing in the B1G. They played an Irish team that was struggling offensively and gave up 20 points. I do not understand why people are so dismissive of them. I have heard it every year. "When Toby graduates, Stanford will be a dorrmat again". "Now that Harbaugh is gone, Stanford is going to suck". "Let's see how good Stanford is without Luck". Guess what they are still good.

I expect Notre Dame to win and cover but I do not think there should be any doubt that this is the best team the Irish will have played so far.

Not agreeing or disagreeing but adding that I believe Nunes is what is holding them back. They have a top RB in Taylor who can do a lot but Nunes and his 54% completion percentage and inexperience (just like Maxwell), is what is holding them down.

The starting WRs are not as good as the starting WRs for Miami and they rely a lot on both TEs. The defense is leaps and bounds better then Miami but by judging by their stats, they are more top of the middle of the pack if anything.

Total defense has MSU and Michigan ranked a lot higher then Stanford. MSU and Michigan (not by much) are better in scoring defense. Stanford also gives up a lot more 1st downs then MSU. Stanford is 113th in passing defense but also very good in 3rd down defense and are really good in run defense.

In short, skimming through the stats, MSU has a better all-around defense then Stanford. I would say the Stanford defense is not as good as MSU defense and maybe a little better then the Michigan defense, although maybe pretty comparable.

 

[greyhammer90]

BCS countdown on ESPN about to talk about ND's national title chances after the commercial.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Stanfords D is very very good, you have to spread it out and throw, thats how both AZ and Wash had any success. Will be very hard to run well on with frequency. I have seen 2 of their games?

I saw the Washington & Arizona games and parts of the USC one. Sort of worried about Farley on D because Nunes has a good deep ball, so Tuitt & Shembo really need to get pressure. On offense, it's what everyone has been saying. Spread it out. They are a rich man's MSU.