ND & Michigan done after 2014

[woolybug25]

Seems like it's an ohio fan with the username "bucki"

I don't think he's saying kelly can't recruit, I think he's just saying that Brady Hoke recruits better. The only thing we can go by as of now is recruiting rankings and the freshmen that have played.

Has UM had anybody play as a freshman that was recruited by Hoke that has played better than any of the following freshman played in their first year under Kelly?

- Lynch
- Tuitt
- Sheldon Day

 

[rikkitikki08]

I think its overall a good move for ND, you guys talk as if we will never play Michigan again. Remember now this hurts Michigan much more than it hurts Notre Dame.


Its a smart move, Notre Dame keeps some what of its schedule but also makes it overall better chances for a national title. The goal should be to help ND win a national championship and jack swarbrick did just that

 

[koonja]

Notre Dame has (at least recently) provided Michigan with a national audience in a game that Michigan can compete to win. Now who is Michigan going to have in place of the ND game? Texas? SEC team? They'll have to find a really good team to play against to get near the attention ND/Mich gets, but the problem is they're not ready to compete with really good teams. ND can plug in FSU, V-Tech, or anyone else outside of the ACC if they'd like. Hurts Michigan much more.

 

[Jerry]

Even if Notre Dame wins the next two games (I fully expect ND to cruise next year), they'll only bring the series to 18-23-1. That really sucks.

Honestly I'd rather play Michigan than Stanford. I'd rather play Michigan than Michigan State or Purdue, certainly.

The series is 14-14-1 since 1978. Let's hope Notre Dame comes out on top the next two years!

Pretty sure Michigan won the first 7 or 8 meetings around the turn of the century. And they cancelled the series as soon as ND won one for like 30 years.

 

[Wolverine1997]

Has UM had anybody play as a freshman that was recruited by Hoke that has played better than any of the following freshman played in their first year under Kelly?

- Lynch
- Tuitt
- Sheldon Day

Yes.

- Blake Countess
- Desmond Morgan
- Dennis Norfleet
- James Ross

Pretty sure Michigan won the first 7 or 8 meetings around the turn of the century. And they cancelled the series as soon as ND won one for like 30 years.

Michigan won the first 8. Funny thing is, if you read "Natural Enemies" it talks about how the Michigan team taught a group of ND students how to play football on their way to a game in Chicago.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

I'm sure a huge part of this is keeping Stanford and USC on the schedule

Important for recruiting to get to California every year.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

ND is also the 2nd most popular team in NYC, after Rutgers. We've simply out-grown the Rust Belt.

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[WakeUpEchoes]

Yes.

- Blake Countess
- Desmond Morgan
- Dennis Norfleet
- James Ross

Wow you are wasted. Kovacs and Gordon have more tackles this season than anyone on the team, and they are safeties!! What does that say about James Ross? And Dennis Norfleet got to return 8 kicks against Alabama just because they scored so many times. Blake Countess had a good freshman year I will give you that. But no way you are telling me Ross and Norfleet are better freshmen.

 

[Emcee77]

Of course I set myself up to be pissed by reading the comment section on the espn article but I thought I'd share this gem.

"Sfbucki
Smart move by Notre Dame....with the UM recruiting class Hoke has coming in. Kelly isn't recruiting at Hokes level quite yet and this is away that he won't have to deal that class. He'll play them as freshmen and then won't have to contend with them for the next 3 years.*
*
Hate or love it, it's kind a smart."
16 fans like this.
2 Hours Ago

So apparently BK can't recruit.

LOL does anyone really think that when we have the number 6 ranked recruiting class we are scared of Hoke's number 3 class (per 247)? It's certainly not a great enough difference that you expect a huge talent disparity.

And even if we were ranked 26, the schools' 2013 recruiting classes obviously have nothing to do with this decision. Swarbrick is simply trying to make certain that he can meet his obligations to the ACC (that is, that he can get five ACC teams on the schedule each year as soon as possible), and it helps to free up a Saturday in 2015, 2016 and 2017.

 

[koonja]

I bet we beat Michigan's recruiting class this year. We have more spots left, and frankly, they'd be lucky to not have and deflections if their season is going the way I think it will. If they lose to Purdue they're completely off of the college football map for the rest of the year.

 

[woolybug25]

Yes.

- Blake Countess
- Desmond Morgan
- Dennis Norfleet
- James Ross

This doesn't even deserve a response, but I will humor you. Not one of those dudes are anywhere near the level that Lynch, Tuitt and now Day have performed as freshman. Not even close. Look at the stats.

Michigan won the first 8. Funny thing is, if you read "Natural Enemies" it talks about how the Michigan team taught a group of ND students how to play football on their way to a game in Chicago.

It's funny how all of you scUM fans poke fun at ND for living in the past, but in the same breath find so much merit in wins against ND from over 100 years ago. Over the last 50 years, we're 14-14-1 and have more National Titles. So go $hit in a hat, meat chicken.

 

[ND NYC]

booking hotel rooms already for that last home game in 2014...anyone have the exact date of that game?
I'm getting conflicting dates from diff sites

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Has UM had anybody play as a freshman that was recruited by Hoke (hired January 2011) that has played better than any of the following freshman played in their first year under Kelly?

- Lynch
- Tuitt
- Sheldon Day

Yes.

- Blake Countess committed Dec 2010
- Desmond Morgan committed Dec 2010
- Dennis Norfleet
- James Ross

There a couple of recruiting violations that you are copping to for Hoke? Or, did Hoke recruit these guys for SDSU?

Ross has been impressive to challenge for a starting spot; give you that one.

Norfleet isn't at the same level of play as a KR as another Kelly recruit that Wooly didn't mention (George Atkinson III)

 

[Emcee77]

Of course I set myself up to be pissed by reading the comment section on the espn article but I thought I'd share this gem.

"Sfbucki
Smart move by Notre Dame....with the UM recruiting class Hoke has coming in. Kelly isn't recruiting at Hokes level quite yet and this is away that he won't have to deal that class. He'll play them as freshmen and then won't have to contend with them for the next 3 years.*
*
Hate or love it, it's kind a smart."
16 fans like this.
2 Hours Ago

So apparently BK can't recruit.

Seems like it's an ohio fan with the username "bucki"

I don't think he's saying kelly can't recruit, I think he's just saying that Brady Hoke recruits better. The only thing we can go by as of now is recruiting rankings and the freshmen that have played.

How does this help us figure out whether BK is or should be scared of Hoke's incoming class, or whether he's trying to avoid playing that class for the next three years? "Sfbucki"'s point is that UMich will be better than us for the next four years because of the outstanding 2013 class. First of all, Sfbucki's math is wrong: we'll still have to play the 2013 class for two years, in 2013 and 2014. Secondly, looking at what freshmen were good in 2011 or 2012 doesn't tell us a whole lot about how good the freshmen will be in 2013.

 

[Tylurrr]

If you go back and watch the 1992 Snow Bowl game, Hammond and Collinsworth both say this will be the final game ever between ND and Penn State due to PSU's move to the Big Ten. Sure enough they played in a home-and-home in 2006-07.

So 2014 probably won't bring an end to the series in a permanent way.

Anyone else at the pep rally Friday? Found it ironic the leprechaun mentioned something about Swarbrick getting a call from Brandon immediately following the imminent ND win to suspend the series a la his predecessors, yet it was the other way around.

The Big 10 is dying before our eyes and this is a good move in terms of national contention. Those who have been critical of ND's reluctance to join the Big 10 now look pretty foolish.

 

[IrishLax]

Yes.

- Blake Countess
- Desmond Morgan
- Dennis Norfleet
- James Ross

Ah, come on man! Let's start with Norfleet.... nothing close to what GAIII did last year as a KR.... yet. Think he's about to bust one but come back after he's got 2 and he'll be comparable to GAIII.

Blake Countess is the one guy you listed who even had a remotely comparable "immediate impact" to Lynch, Tuitt, Day, etc. But even as a headliner he was nowhere near Lynch who was a frosh AA.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Dave Brandon does not want ND on the schedule anymore.

He sees them as a brick tied to our ankle. His goal is to bring teams like the LSU, Oklahoma etc in for a home and home. I don't think we'll see Michigan playing in any more neutral sites game other than conference title games and bowl games.

Looks like we are seeing the third long break in the rivalry. 1910-1941, 1944-1977 and now 2015 and beyond.

So, instead he's going to tie an onion on his belt.

...Which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

Or, instead of a brick tied to his ankle, is he going to be like the rest of the Integer and tie-up some cupcakes; majorly crappy non-conference schedule in general for the conference right now. I'll give you guys some credit for having Bama/AF/ND, but there rest of the conference is woeful; Wiscy is an embarrassment in their schedule - again.

I really doubt you will see Brandon gain much traction on scheduling SEC teams for a home-and-home, unless the visit to the midwest occurs in July or August; a late September game could mean weather in the 50's (or lower).

 

[Emcee77]

ESPN's Big Ten blogger's perspective:

A new era for Big Ten, Notre Dame - Big Ten Blog - ESPN

Kind of annoying. Obviously he has an interest in minimizing the impact on the conference, as that's what his readers will want to hear. A few good points scattered around in here though.

 

[Irish#1]

This is too bad, I look forward to watching ND-Michigan every year.....much more so than the Naval Academy. Nothing against Navy, and I do understand the history with Navy, I just prefer playing Michigan.

As much as I respoect Navy and the rivalry, this is one that I wouldn't mind if they were dropped. IWith the ACC terams coming up, I see us dropping Stanford as well. Nothing solid to base it upon, but I think Navy, Purdue and USC will remain when all is said and done.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

As much as I respoect Navy and the rivalry, this is one that I wouldn't mind if they were dropped. IWith the ACC terams coming up, I see us dropping Stanford as well. Nothing solid to base it upon, but I think Navy, Purdue and USC will remain when all is said and done.

Swarbrick has already stated that Navy, USC, and Stanford are the main ones he wants to protect.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes.

- Blake Countess
- Desmond Morgan
- Dennis Norfleet
- James Ross



Michigan won the first 8. Funny thing is, if you read "Natural Enemies" it talks about how the Michigan team taught a group of ND students how to play football on their way to a game in Chicago.

Yeah they taught the ND students the game on their way to a game. Funny thing is they count that as a win. How cheap is that?

UM has a better ranked class at the moment, but the services take into account the number of kids in the recruiting class as a major criteria more than the qulaity of the kids. Besides, it's not an exact science and it's really hard to tell the difference between the #3, #4, #5, #6 or #7 classes.

 

[Buster Bluth]

So much fail by Wolverine1997

 

[PLACforever]

As much as I respoect Navy and the rivalry, this is one that I wouldn't mind if they were dropped. IWith the ACC terams coming up, I see us dropping Stanford as well. Nothing solid to base it upon, but I think Navy, Purdue and USC will remain when all is said and done.

Navy is the one team ND should play, always. Without the Naval Training Center, there is a good chance ND doesn't exist today.

On the ND/Navy Rivalry:
Despite the one-sided result the last few decades, most Notre Dame and Navy fans consider the series a sacred tradition for historical reasons. Both schools have strong football traditions going back to the beginnings of the sport.

Notre Dame, like many colleges, faced severe financial difficulties during World War II. The US Navy made Notre Dame a training center and paid enough for usage of the facilities to keep the University afloat. Notre Dame has since extended an open invitation for Navy to play the Fighting Irish in football and considers the game annual repayment on a debt of honor.

The series is marked by mutual respect, as evidenced by each team standing at attention during the playing of the other's alma mater after the game, a tradition that started in 2005. Navy's athletic director, on renewing the series through 2016, remarked "...it is of great interest to our collective national audience of Fighting Irish fans, Naval Academy alumni, and the Navy family at large."The series is scheduled to continue indefinitely; renewals are a mere formality."

 

[Downinthebend]

booooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[mick2]

michigan is all butt hurt over this, dave brandon was on the radio whining that we didn't give him enough notice. acting like he has to go find a replacement team tomorrow. I'm sure app state will be willing to play.

don't blame us, blame your commissioner for getting this whole realignment ball rolling, that is why we were forced to make a jump to acc in olympic sports and promise to play 5 acc football contests a year. we can't fulfill that obligation plus play the current slate of games we have.

we'll just beat michigan 2 more times and say "it's been real, it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun."

we'll meet again down the road, maybe in a bowl game here and there, probably schedule a home and home or a neutral site game every now and again. but i am totally fine with this move. i wish we could drop bc too, but they are in the acc darnit.

 

[ryno 24]

I dont like this because we are big rivals and this should still a rivalry for us.

 

[scUM Hater]

Heres the deal:

Notre Dame will be joining the ACC for football as well. They will break the news over the next couple of years slowly, to prevent the ultra-traditionalist not to have heart attacks. So they join in 2015. They will be required to play 7 conference games a year. That leaves 5 games. Stanford and USC (they want to guarantee a west coast game every year), Navy, the "Shamrock Series" game, that leaves them with one open spot each year. I would guess they would split that between Air Force and Army. Also the possibility of playing a big 12 team instead of Air Force or Army. Just my thought.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Michigan, traditionally, has taken their ball and gone home whenever the scales tipped in ND's favor. They beat up on us the first 8 times, then we beat them in 1909 for the first time and it's the old, "Well we were just treating it as a scrimmage." So Fielding Yost, the unabashed anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic he was, pulls the series because he doesn't want to get beat by ND. Blackballs us from the Big Ten and tries his hardest to make all Big Ten teams blackball us. He didn't want to compete with ND on the field nor did he want to have common opponents that could compare his program's common games with ND, which makes it harder to win a Natty. He also wanted ND to fail as a program. So we go national on the way to global. Then we play them in 1942, UM wins. So all is good lets play them in 1943 says UM. ND wins in 1943 and you guessed it UM pulls out again. Series returned in 1978 and is even since. If you take away the games from 1887 to 1909 (when ND had barely established anything above a rag tag group of a football team) the series is tied 15-15-1.

Not to mention Sparty and Purdue are much more of traditional rivalry than Michigan could ever hope to be to ND. ND has played only Navy more than Purdue. If it was my choice I would protect Navy, USC, Purdue, and one other California team. I'd play Sparty every few years if we can work in a home/away with them.

So after all this I say farewell and f*ck off Michigan.

 

[ACamp1900]

Good riddance! I hope we are done with them!

THis.

Notre Dame is done living in the past and the program is better off for it... ACC here we come, alt unis every year, field turf is coming at some point,... evey rival game but Navy should be questioned (if teams like SC don't want to play in the Bend in cold weather or without illegal players then screw them too) ... bigger and better gents... bigger and better.

Mvck Fichigan

 

[Buster Bluth]

I hope Purdue is next. It doesn't do anything for Notre Dame. It's an in-state rivalry no one outside of Indiana really cares about.