Joe Montana is not a Kelly or Golson fan

[Irish4Life09]

"Joe Montana is not a Kelly or Golson Fan"

Hell, neither am I until they show me something! I've never seen Golson play division one football in college. Kelly hasn't shown me anything in his tenure at Notre Dame that proves he is anything but a mid-level coach treading water in a high-level pool. Sorry, but it's really the way it is at this point. Perhaps Joe is more of a Notre Dame fan than anyone here is giving him credit for. Think about it in the sense of Joe looking toward South Bend and saying "Man, what happened to that place?!" They have a guy from the Big East coaching when they should have a top five coach in the entire country (we can't get one, but that's not the point...we should still HAVE one on tradition and history alone) and an unproven high school talent getting set to start at QB. That means didley **** until he starts and makes something happen. For me, if this season is another 6-6 season and scraping into a low tier bowl game then Kelly is done for me. He's Bob Davie version 2.0 for all I care.

I don't know what you've been watching the last couple years, but Kelly hasn't had a 6-6 year yet, or scraped along a bottom tier bowl. (2) 8-5 years and a Champs Sports Bowl isn't bad after what he has had to do to turn us around.
If you seriously can't see the night and day differences in our program all because of Kelly, then there is nothing more I can do for you, dude.

 

[phgreek]

Joe was a legend in the NFL. He had a number of great comeback victories for ND both in relief and in games he started and played like crap for 3 or 3 -1/2 quarters. He was a career 52% passer in college, throwing 25 INTs and 25 TDs. He is not in the College HOF nor was he an All-American.

He's a bitter man. And he's already expressed it several times. This interview wasn't the first. I doubt Joe has seen Golson play and suspect he's commenting on Rees who he did see play.

He's probably still P.O'd that Rees, who has a much better TD:Int Ratio than Joe does, and Crist were both ranked ahead of Nate on the depth chart in '10. Nate transferred the following Feb. and his now at his 4 college (5 if you count two trips to ND) ND, Pasadena CC, ND, Montana, West Virginia Wesleyan. Nick's only in his second college.


Nate's stats:
Season Team Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TDs Int YPA
2009 Pasadena CC 31 88 35.2 324 2 5 3.7
2010 Notre Dame 9 18 50.0 116 0 1 6.4
2011 Montana 26 42 61.9 274 2 1 6.5

I totally agree he wasn't consistent in college...but had sack like nobody I know (well outside MJ)...clutch performer all his life. Then, he met up with THE preeminant football mind, and THE tutor/mentor of quarterbacks...as such he became a legend, and knows what a legendary coach looks like...knows what it is to be a legend at the QB spot...and what it took to get him there... That alone gives immediate credibility to anything he says about a QB coach/Head coach and any QB...

The back story...Nate (his new indian name is Nate-5-schools) well, he is just not a good football player in any regard. It could be THE issue. My untrained eye believes Joe might be wrong about EG...and he is indeed human thus my comment about maybe having a red *** interefering with his eyes (or something like that). Point is...I think he has the credibility to evaluate coach and player here...

On another note...If Bill Walsh were alive, maybe he'd see something in Tommy...he loved the QB with a soft touch...not sure he meant w/ limited down range ability though...

 

[Patulski]

Montana should not said what he said.

But neither should the people who are now going after Montana.

Good luck to Everett Golson. May he take his opportunity and make the best of it.

 

[Patulski]

If Bill Walsh were alive, maybe he'd see something in Tommy...he loved the QB with a soft touch...not sure he meant w/ limited down range ability though...

I read a book by Walsh where he specifically cites Montana's athletic ability as what made the difference for Joe. Montana was also a very good basketball player with athletic gifts of quickness, coordination and an ability to see the field. Throw in a penchant for remaining calm in pressure situations and a legend was born.

 

[phgreek]

I read a book by Walsh where he specifically cites Montana's athletic ability as what made the difference for Joe. Montana was also a very good basketball player with athletic gifts of quickness, coordination and an ability to see the field. Throw in a penchant for remaining calm in pressure situations and a legend was born.

cool...I am a big Walsh fan...what book?

I did the smilee ...should have done italics...

 

[DillonHall]

Montana should not said what he said.

But neither should the people who are now going after Montana.

Good luck to Everett Golson. May he take his opportunity and make the best of it.

Completely agree

 

[JDAtlanta]

Yes, it's time to start the witch hunt. Kelly has had 2 full years of recruiting. Two 8-5 seasons and no National Championships sucks! I don't care if he has upgraded the talent at ever position. I don't care that every player is more fit. I don't care if Kelly has recruited more speed than anyone since Holtz. We lost three straight to Michigan, all in the last 30 seconds. Kelly can't finish games.
Sarcasm button off.
Kelly has this thing going in the right direction. If people can't see that, they don't want to see it.
Give the guy a chance.

 

[kmoose]

Yes, it's time to start the witch hunt. Kelly has had 2 full years of recruiting. Two 8-5 seasons and no National Championships sucks! I don't care if he has upgraded the talent at ever position. I don't care that every player is more fit. I don't care if Kelly has recruited more speed than anyone since Holtz. We lost three straight to Michigan, all in the last 30 seconds. Kelly can't finish games.
Sarcasm button off.
Kelly has this thing going in the right direction. If people can't see that, they don't want to see it.
Give the guy a chance.

I think Kelly is the right guy, but this is just wrong.......... The WR Corps is NOT better than it was when Kelly got here. The loss of Michael Floyd is going to be HUGE.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I'm giving Montana a pass here because his son wasnt good enough or just didnt do well which may give Joe some bias. But I am starting to wonder about Kelly-great coach but maybe Notre Dame was bigger than he could handle because of the posture of the administration and the 15 yr deteriation of the program. This isnt Cinncinnati-the cooker is much tougher. This is a 7-5/6-6 team this year and next year (to me) doesnt look any brighter. Montana may be right.

Same tone, same note, same old song and dance, different thread. It must be a sad existence to not have had an original thought in 5 months.

BTW, follow the thread, What did Joe say that was right? He straight-up LIED about Kelly saying that Crist and Rees would be stars, and I challenge you to find ONE quote from Kelly stating otherwise (don't worry, like every post in which I've responded to you, I know that you won't reply with a comeback because you don't have one). And any fool with 2 eyes can see that Golson throws immensely better than Rees. I think you and Joe are the only people in the free world who believe that Rees has a better arm than Golson.

But what do you and Joe have in common? You both hate Kelly blindly, and will bullsh!t your way through any argument to trash him. Quite embarrassing for both of you...

 

[NDinL.A.]

I think Kelly is the right guy, but this is just wrong.......... The WR Corps is NOT better than it was when Kelly got here. The loss of Michael Floyd is going to be HUGE.

It has the potential to be, that's for sure.

After not having a great two WR hauls, here's to hoping these next 3 guys (Fergie, Neal, Brown) step up and play like men. They have the talent, esp the last 2 kids mentioned. If they can step in and contribute right away, along with Daniels, Kelly can be pardoned. If not, that will be a big hole on the offense for a couple of years...

 

[ACamp1900]

I do believe, in fairness that Rees is not a horrible "thrower"... he is just prone to bad decisions with when and where he throws it... there is a difference... hisd deep ball and such is rather good... at least I always thought....

maybe Joe is focusing simply on that... I would also say that we (on both sides of this) really have no clue how EG will do at QB despite we we ALL want from him...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Here is how I feel about this thread:

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[stlnd01]

I think Kelly is the right guy, but this is just wrong.......... The WR Corps is NOT better than it was when Kelly got here. The loss of Michael Floyd is going to be HUGE.

Sure. The guy who's probably our best wide receiver since Tim Brown is going to be hard to replace. But graduation is part of the game. And I'd wager that Daniels and Neal will be better than any other WR who was on the team when Kelly showed up. Brown could be, too.
When it comes to receivers, I'd rather have numbers than one tremendous talent anyway. Because, as you saw last year, one guy can be shut down for long stretches, and then you're stuck trying to make plays through John Goodman.

My other quibble: I wouldn't anoint the CBs better just yet. For the obvious reasons of depth and because Robert Blanton, in particular, was a very good football player. But he got better under Kelly in a way defensive guys never seemed to under Weis, which really speaks to JDAtlanta's point. If you don't see what Kelly's building here, it's because you don't want to.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

I do believe, in fairness that Rees is not a horrible "thrower"... he is just prone to bad decisions with when and where he throws it... there is a difference... hisd deep ball and such is rather good... at least I always thought....

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......................

 

[PLACforever]

I'm not a fan of Joe Montana or his orthopedic shoes.

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm Joe Montana. I'm very happy to meet you.

1987 "Sincere Guy Stu" on Saturday Night Live. Can't find a clip but this article has a link to a transcript.

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[GoldenIsThyFame]

@eTruth_Irish
#NotreDame HC Brian Kelly on Joe Montana's comments on Golson: "Joe Montana is an icon. He's entitled to his opinion on our football team."

 

[Bogtrotter07]

@eTruth_Irish
#NotreDame HC Brian Kelly on Joe Montana's comments on Golson: "Joe Montana is an icon. He's entitled to his opinion on our football team."

Class Act.



(Period)

 

[tadman95]

I wouldn't expect Kelly to say anything different, at least until he's built up some ND cred himself.

If I'm Golson, I take Joe's comments personally and they would be my motivation through my football career.

And I would definitely not put Joe on my Christmas card list.

 

[greyhammer90]

BK just moved up a bit on my awesome list.

 

[phgreek]

@eTruth_Irish
#NotreDame HC Brian Kelly on Joe Montana's comments on Golson: "Joe Montana is an icon. He's entitled to his opinion on our football team."

About like I figured he'd respond...

 

[Patulski]

I think Kelly is the right guy, but this is just wrong.......... The WR Corps is NOT better than it was when Kelly got here. The loss of Michael Floyd is going to be HUGE.

I don't see why it matters when you consider offensive production. Good Notre Dame coaches have always recruited well at skill positions and had their young guys playing key and supporting roles in the coach's 3rd year. Ara had Hanratty, Seymour, Bleir and Conjar in 1966. Lou had Watters, Rocket, D Brown and Tony Brooks in 1988.

Kelly has a veteran offensive line and has skill position guys he recruited like Atkinson, Golson, Niklas, Neal, Brown and Ferguson. I expect key production from these guys to offset the loss of Floyd.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I have nerve/ joint damage in my right foot (sports related)... I have to wear shape ups as they allow me to walk without extreme crippling pain... idk why really and neither do my doctors but yeah, I know cool story bro… right??? Seriously, it is the only shoe I can wear anymore. I have close to ten pairs.

Anyway, Montana is fine, as of right now what he said has as much weight, or more, as anyone here until proven otherwise… which very well may happen.

If Kelly sticks with Golson and EG wins games… then pile on… as of now it seems there is as much sour grapes headed toward Joe as from him.

I don't get the outrage. Nothing he said is outrageously false, and it might all be true. I mean, is there any doubt that Joe Montana is more qualified to judge Golson's passing ability than any one of us here?

Agree on both counts. Golson hasn't thrown one ball in the NCAA yet and people are anointing him king. Joe may be a dick, but he's certainly not out of bounds with his comment. QB is a huge question mark at ND until someone proves otherwise on the field.

 

[tadman95]

"He's probably the least talented thrower that they have".

You guys really think Joe knows this better than Kelly? I don't. I don't care about the rest of his comments but I don't buy this. And I still don't see why Joe would go there to start with unless he has an ax to grind.

 

[kmoose]

I don't see why it matters when you consider offensive production. Good Notre Dame coaches have always recruited well at skill positions and had their young guys playing key and supporting roles in the coach's 3rd year. Ara had Hanratty, Seymour, Bleir and Conjar in 1966. Lou had Watters, Rocket, D Brown and Tony Brooks in 1988.

Kelly has a veteran offensive line and has skill position guys he recruited like Atkinson, Golson, Niklas, Neal, Brown and Ferguson. I expect key production from these guys to offset the loss of Floyd.

I was merely commenting on another poster's contention that Kelly has improved the play of EVERY position on the field. I like Kelly, and think he's the right guy for the job. But John Goodman and TJ Jones do not compare to Michael Floyd and anyone (including Hanna Weis).

 

[Patulski]

I was merely commenting on another poster's contention that Kelly has improved the play of EVERY position on the field. I like Kelly, and think he's the right guy for the job. But John Goodman and TJ Jones do not compare to Michael Floyd and anyone (including Hanna Weis).

I understand. Guys like Floyd are hard to replace when upperclassmen are weak. However, Kelly-like Ara and Holtz- has had time to evaluate his personnel and utilize his recruiting classes to anticipate the replacement of weaker upperclass players with younger talent.

Ara inherited and lost Jack Snow and Heisiman Trophy winner John Huarte in 1964. In his 3rd year he replaced them with sophomores Hanratty and Seymour who beat out weaker upperclassmen.

Lou inherited Heisman Trophy winner Tim Brown, 3-year starter (and 17 year NFL career) QB Steve Beurlein and NFL pick TE Joel Williams. In his 3rd year he replaced them with Freshman Rocket, Jr Tony Rice, Freshman Derek Brown and sophomores Ricky Watters and Tony Brooks.

Kelly inherited first round draft pick Floyd, 2nd round pick Rudolph and talented players Eifert, Cierre Wood and Theo Riddick. In his 3rd year, he's now got a chance to show that he recognized his upperclass weaknesses and has recruited young, ready to play players to compensate, along with (if necessary) tweaking his scheme to fit his talent.

We'll see soon if that's the case.

 

[kmoose]

I understand. Guys like Floyd are hard to replace when upperclassmen are weak. However, Kelly-like Ara and Holtz- has had time to evaluate his personnel and utilize his recruiting classes to anticipate the replacement of weaker upperclass players with younger talent.

Ara inherited and lost Jack Snow and Heisiman Trophy winner John Huarte in 1964. In his 3rd year he replaced them with sophomores Hanratty and Seymour who beat out weaker upperclassmen.

Lou inherited Heisman Trophy winner Tim Brown, 3-year starter (and 17 year NFL career) QB Tim Beurlein and NFL pick TE Joel Williams. In his 3rd year he replaced them with Freshman Rocket, Jr Tony Rice, Freshman Derek Brown and sophomores Ricky Watters and Tony Brooks.

Kelly inherited first round draft pick Floyd, 2nd round pick Rudolph and talented players Eifert, Cierre Wood and Theo Riddick. In his 3rd year, he's now got a chance to show that he recognized his upperclass weaknesses and has recruited young, ready to play players to compensate, along with (if necessary) tweaking his scheme to fit his talent.

We'll see soon if that's the case.

Who?

 

[obi wan mahoney]

Who?

He meant Steve Beuerlein bounced around in the NFL for awhile after ND

 

[Count_on_Me]

lol bag of dicks ,,, That **** is funny dude!

 

[obi wan mahoney]

I wonder if Joe still feels the same way.