What is the "uniform surprise"?

[Bogtrotter07]

He needs a pat on the back!!! LMAO

Maybe his pants are too tight?



Edit: Here is what I said on Buster's rep: "Perfect exclamation point at the end of the sentence, Bus!"

 

[ARALOU]

If they skull drag Miami in Chicago,in those uniforms or something they wore back in 73, who gives a ****? We know who ND is and was. The uniform dont mean a damn thing. Besides it makes it very clear that it is the Irish. I like the gold helmets and gold pants and traditional jerseys. I like these uniforms also. Its for one game. Anybody recall some of Lou's subtle uniform tweaks? Like the ankle tape, cut-off jerseys? Uniforms and equipment go through changes over time. The colors are basicly the same. Just in different parts of the uni.

 

[50milesSE ND]

And when you are done patting yourself on the back, then go find a clue. You think college athletes are the only ones that go through rigorous physical and mental conditioning, and therefore are the only ones whose opinions matter? I spent 4 months at Ft. Knox going through a program that was easily the equivalent of any D-IA college football camp. The day I arrived, it was 88 degrees in the shade. The day I left, it was 8 degrees. And, as if that weren't enough, I ended up going through a similar experience, 3.5 years later, when I enlisted in the Navy. So I'm pretty sure I've earned the right to speak my piece. If you don''t think so, then kindly keep that to yourself.

Man you are not hearing what the guy is saying. There are alot of things out there tougher to endure than football because it's just a game with many of lifes lessons to be learned. However this is a forum about football so relax maybe you need to take a break from patting yourself on the back. Thank you for the service you gave to our country because I really do appreciate it.

 

[peoriairish]

This seemed a good place to put this one. The new picture put out by @TurningP2001 (The Turning Point)

Great bulletin board material.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

When I look at this picture I actually really like the uniform (for one game).

IMO- They'd be a really solid 'one off' if they just didn't two face the helmet.
Solid gold with those crazy swirls and a blue lep would've made everyone happy.

*edit- maybe not happy, but definitely not pissed.

 

[Grahambo]

IMO- They'd be a really solid 'one off' if they just didn't two face the helmet.
Solid gold with those crazy swirls and a blue lep would've made everyone happy.

*edit- maybe not happy, but definitely not pissed.

I think the helmet, more then anything is what has most people ticked.

Either way, the uniform is for recruits and not for fans. They need to show that ND is "cool".

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

If I was a recruit and I was about to commit to ND I would say it was entirely because of these uniforms. NDNation would flip.

 

[ChiRish]

When I look at this picture I actually really like the uniform (for one game).

Definitely agree.

I also agree with what Rocket has said - ND has altered the uniforms numerous times in their history. Can anyone here even remember them all?

The point is, like others have said - these are not for us. The players like them, and recruits like them. That is all that matters. Changing uniforms for one game does not undermine the values of Notre Dame, does not tarnish the brand of Notre Dame, nor does it undo the decades of prestigious history of Notre Dame.

You think that all that tradition, academic integrity, and values, those things that Kelly and others use to recruit athletes to ND, will all of a sudden be replaced by a uniform change? Seriously?!

Those things that make ND special aren't gone because of a uniform for one game. At all. It certainly gives us things to whine and complain about, but for the players, it gives them perhaps that little extra edge, that little bit of comfort, or even something to look forward to in the grind of a season. Not to mention it shows recruits that even a school like Notre Dame, WHO IS KNOWN FOR ITS TRADITION, can spice things up.

So, this school, known for its pure, upstanding, and great tradition, no longer has those things because of a uniform change for one game? The person who said it was strawman material was right.

The simple fact that a uniform change, whether you like the design or not, for ONE GAME ONLY, has so many in outrage, simply proves how solid the tradition at Notre Dame really is. If it wasn't, people wouldn't be up in arms about the change for one game, and really, it is thus impossible to undo all that history with a uniform for one game. ND could go out and play in leprechaun outfits for a game and it wouldn't undo the unbelievably strong traditional foundation for Notre Dame and its football program.

So, keep that in mind, and keep in mind what this does for current and prospective players, and I think everyone will survive the Miami game.

 

[Grahambo]

Definitely agree.

I also agree with what Rocket has said - ND has altered the uniforms numerous times in their history. Can anyone here even remember them all?

The point is, like others have said - these are not for us. The players like them, and recruits like them. That is all that matters. Changing uniforms for one game does not undermine the values of Notre Dame, does not tarnish the brand of Notre Dame, nor does it undo the decades of prestigious history of Notre Dame.

You think that all that tradition, academic integrity, and values, those things that Kelly and others use to recruit athletes to ND, will all of a sudden be replaced by a uniform change? Seriously?!

Those things that make ND special aren't gone because of a uniform for one game. At all. It certainly gives us things to whine and complain about, but for the players, it gives them perhaps that little extra edge, that little bit of comfort, or even something to look forward to in the grind of a season. Not to mention it shows recruits that even a school like Notre Dame, WHO IS KNOWN FOR ITS TRADITION, can spice things up.

So, this school, known for its pure, upstanding, and great tradition, no longer has those things because of a uniform change for one game? The person who said it was strawman material was right.

The simple fact that a uniform change, whether you like the design or not, for ONE GAME ONLY, has so many in outrage, simply proves how solid the tradition at Notre Dame really is. If it wasn't, people wouldn't be up in arms about the change for one game, and really, it is thus impossible to undo all that history with a uniform for one game. ND could go out and play in leprechaun outfits for a game and it wouldn't undo the unbelievably strong traditional foundation for Notre Dame and its football program.

So, keep that in mind, and keep in mind what this does for current and prospective players, and I think everyone will survive the Miami game.

Mind = Blown

Reps.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Definitely agree.

I also agree with what Rocket has said - ND has altered the uniforms numerous times in their history. Can anyone here even remember them all?

The point is, like others have said - these are not for us. The players like them, and recruits like them. That is all that matters. Changing uniforms for one game does not undermine the values of Notre Dame, does not tarnish the brand of Notre Dame, nor does it undo the decades of prestigious history of Notre Dame.

You think that all that tradition, academic integrity, and values, those things that Kelly and others use to recruit athletes to ND, will all of a sudden be replaced by a uniform change? Seriously?!

Those things that make ND special aren't gone because of a uniform for one game. At all. It certainly gives us things to whine and complain about, but for the players, it gives them perhaps that little extra edge, that little bit of comfort, or even something to look forward to in the grind of a season. Not to mention it shows recruits that even a school like Notre Dame, WHO IS KNOWN FOR ITS TRADITION, can spice things up.

So, this school, known for its pure, upstanding, and great tradition, no longer has those things because of a uniform change for one game? The person who said it was strawman material was right.

The simple fact that a uniform change, whether you like the design or not, for ONE GAME ONLY, has so many in outrage, simply proves how solid the tradition at Notre Dame really is. If it wasn't, people wouldn't be up in arms about the change for one game, and really, it is thus impossible to undo all that history with a uniform for one game. ND could go out and play in leprechaun outfits for a game and it wouldn't undo the unbelievably strong traditional foundation for Notre Dame and its football program.

So, keep that in mind, and keep in mind what this does for current and prospective players, and I think everyone will survive the Miami game.

Post of the thread. Excellent.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Next year's Shamrock Series is at Cowboys Stadium against Arizona State, and I'm already sorta getting excited about that. haha so typical for a fan.

I would very much like to see adidad (keep the helmet remain completely gold, and) do maybe do something with the Faust jerseys. Not that Faust did very well at Notre Dame, but it'd just be another completely new direction to take this alternate jersey game.

The Faust jerseys:

EDIT: Is there a list of future Shamrock Series sites? Last year was the first official one but this neutral site tradition sorta goes like this, no?:

2009 - vs. Washington State - San Antonio, TX
2010 - vs. Army - New York, NY
2011 - vs. Maryland - Washington, DC
2012 - vs. Miami - Chicago, IL
2013 - vs. Arizona State - Dallas, TX
2014 - ???
2015 - ???
2016 - ???

 

[ChiRish]

Next year's Shamrock Series is at Cowboys Stadium against Arizona State, and I'm already sorta getting excited about that. haha so typical for a fan.

I would very much like to see adidad (keep the helmet remain completely gold, and) do maybe do something with the Faust jerseys. Not that Faust did very well at Notre Dame, but it'd just be another completely new direction to take this alternate jersey game.

The Faust jerseys:

EDIT: Is there a list of future Shamrock Series sites? Last year was the first official one but this neutral site tradition sorta goes like this, no?:

2009 - vs. Washington State - San Antonio, TX
2010 - vs. Army - New York, NY
2011 - vs. Maryland - Washington, DC
2012 - vs. Miami - Chicago, IL
2013 - vs. Arizona State - Dallas, TX
2014 - ???
2015 - ???
2016 - ???

I don't think there's an official listing, but I seem to remember Swarbrick saying something about returning to the NYC area.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Yeah I think he said once between 2014, 2015, and 2016. If I remember correctly.

I think there was a game that was supposed to be in Orlando against Army, but I think that's been cancelled due to construction.

I'd love to see them play in Ohio. How insane would that be? Notre Dame vs Wisconsin (for example), in Cleveland/Cincinnati. Ohhhh man.

 

[peoriairish]

I don't think there's an official listing, but I seem to remember Swarbrick saying something about returning to the NYC area.

Yup. That's the only repeat site, Yankee Stadium.

 

[NDinL.A.]

The point is, like others have said - these are not for us. The players like them, and recruits like them. That is all that matters. Changing uniforms for one game does not undermine the values of Notre Dame, does not tarnish the brand of Notre Dame, nor does it undo the decades of prestigious history of Notre Dame.

So, keep that in mind, and keep in mind what this does for current and prospective players, and I think everyone will survive the Miami game.

I made this point on ISD, and the legendary Coach Bob Chmiel (worked for Holtz, excellent recruiting coordinator) told me I didn't "get" Notre Dame LOL. What was I going to tell a legendary coach? To get off my lawn? LOL...who the f**k am I to say anything to him...so I told him much respect and left it at that, because there is clearly a great divide between sides on this.

Incidentally, my works at the Alumni building, and while her work doesn't involve answering phones, she was told that there were TONS of calls complaining about the new unis. People be mad yo....

 

[Grahambo]

I made this point on ISD, and the legendary Coach Bob Chmiel (worked for Holtz, excellent recruiting coordinator) told me I didn't "get" Notre Dame LOL. What was I going to tell a legendary coach? To get off my lawn? LOL...who the f**k am I to say anything to him...so I told him much respect and left it at that, because there is clearly a great divide between sides on this.

Incidentally, my works at the Alumni building, and while her work doesn't involve answering phones, she was told that there were TONS of calls complaining about the new unis. People be mad yo....

First off, in respect to the coach..it's not for him either. It seems it's the old people that don't like it, no offense. Swarbrick has done a great job at ND and this only helps him because it helps BK with recruiting. Time has passed ND on by and they are playing catch up. Better late then never.

Secondly, in regards to your bolded part..yes because you absolutely can have a say about ND. Just because you didn't coach at ND doesn't make your opinion any less valuable. Didn't 'get' ND? Honestly, what is there to 'get' that hasn't already been 'gotten'? It's that type of attitude that I can't stand.

I guess I don't get ND nor am I allowed to comment on them because I never even attended ND.

(Sorry if my rant doesn't make sense. I kindly ask for a break from the IE crowd because I haven't had a day off in 12 days.)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You said you couldn't speak your piece?

And what does your comment have to do with alternate uniforms? I hate to keep harping on this, but not a single person has answered any of the questions I've posed over the last few pages of this thread.

If anyone can answer those questions, then the university and players might pay attention. If not, you can certainly offer your opinion, but it won't matter a single bit.

Most posters feel compelled to prove they have a dick first, before they can comment on the uniforms. Just a guess.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Next year's Shamrock Series is at Cowboys Stadium against Arizona State, and I'm already sorta getting excited about that. haha so typical for a fan.

I would very much like to see adidad (keep the helmet remain completely gold, and) do maybe do something with the Faust jerseys. Not that Faust did very well at Notre Dame, but it'd just be another completely new direction to take this alternate jersey game.

The Faust jerseys:

EDIT: Is there a list of future Shamrock Series sites? Last year was the first official one but this neutral site tradition sorta goes like this, no?:

2009 - vs. Washington State - San Antonio, TX
2010 - vs. Army - New York, NY
2011 - vs. Maryland - Washington, DC
2012 - vs. Miami - Chicago, IL
2013 - vs. Arizona State - Dallas, TX
2014 - ???
2015 - ???
2016 - ???

I always disliked that uniform, but could deal with it for a one off.
Felt too much like the Pitt jerseys from the same era.

To be honest though, I can't see Adidas doing anything "retro".
They've got the keys to the car for one game a year and they're going to push the envelope even further going forth.
Expect something even crazier next season leading up to the plaid jerseys three years from now.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

First off, in respect to the coach..it's not for him either. It seems it's the old people that don't like it, no offense. Swarbrick has done a great job at ND and this only helps him because it helps BK with recruiting. Time has passed ND on by and they are playing catch up. Better late then never.

Secondly, in regards to your bolded part..yes because you absolutely can have a say about ND. Just because you didn't coach at ND doesn't make your opinion any less valuable. Didn't 'get' ND? Honestly, what is there to 'get' that hasn't already been 'gotten'? It's that type of attitude that I can't stand.

I guess I don't get ND nor am I allowed to comment on them because I never even attended ND.

(Sorry if my rant doesn't make sense. I kindly ask for a break from the IE crowd because I haven't had a day off in 12 days.)

No. You are just too busy kissing ***.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Yeah I think he said once between 2014, 2015, and 2016. If I remember correctly.

I think there was a game that was supposed to be in Orlando against Army, but I think that's been cancelled due to construction.

I'd love to see them play in Ohio. How insane would that be? Notre Dame vs Wisconsin (for example), in Cleveland/Cincinnati. Ohhhh man.

Not as good an ND vs. Florida!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Mind = Blown

Reps.

I know more than a few alumni, some are growing quite old, and as one says to me regularly when thinks like this come up, they just want to have something to b1tch about.

 

[tko]

I made this point on ISD, and the legendary Coach Bob Chmiel (worked for Holtz, excellent recruiting coordinator) told me I didn't "get" Notre Dame LOL. What was I going to tell a legendary coach? To get off my lawn? LOL...who the f**k am I to say anything to him...so I told him much respect and left it at that, because there is clearly a great divide between sides on this.

Incidentally, my works at the Alumni building, and while her work doesn't involve answering phones, she was told that there were TONS of calls complaining about the new unis. People be mad yo....

Wooly, leave them alone!

 

[irishfanjho15]

And when you are done patting yourself on the back, then go find a clue. You think college athletes are the only ones that go through rigorous physical and mental conditioning, and therefore are the only ones whose opinions matter? I spent 4 months at Ft. Knox going through a program that was easily the equivalent of any D-IA college football camp. The day I arrived, it was 88 degrees in the shade. The day I left, it was 8 degrees. And, as if that weren't enough, I ended up going through a similar experience, 3.5 years later, when I enlisted in the Navy. So I'm pretty sure I've earned the right to speak my piece. If you don''t think so, then kindly keep that to yourself.

Absolutely not. And I find it pretty troubling that you would even equate what I said to anything about military training. I have the utmost respect for soldiers of our military and I understand what they go through only because of three extremely close friends who are enlisted. I was merely pointing out that the only opinion(s) that really matter in this instance, the one about a one off ND jersey, is the people within the program, for obvious reasons which I alluded to. If I offended I apologize, and I wasn't looking for a pat on the back, only offering an example of what these guys go through based on my own experiences and why I feel that allows them this little piece of ND history that no one else will ever get.

 

[aubeirish]

We basically invented the alternate uniform. It's tradition.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

In 2014 we are playing Syracuse at MetLife. Is that a Shamrock Series game?

 

[ChiRish]

First off, in respect to the coach..it's not for him either. It seems it's the old people that don't like it, no offense. Swarbrick has done a great job at ND and this only helps him because it helps BK with recruiting. Time has passed ND on by and they are playing catch up. Better late then never.

Secondly, in regards to your bolded part..yes because you absolutely can have a say about ND. Just because you didn't coach at ND doesn't make your opinion any less valuable. Didn't 'get' ND? Honestly, what is there to 'get' that hasn't already been 'gotten'? It's that type of attitude that I can't stand.

I guess I don't get ND nor am I allowed to comment on them because I never even attended ND.

(Sorry if my rant doesn't make sense. I kindly ask for a break from the IE crowd because I haven't had a day off in 12 days.)

I agree with this for sure.

I love tradition, and I feel like it remains one of, if not the biggest, draws to the university. It binds together all sorts of generations of fans, and makes Notre Dame what it is.

Having said that, I don't like using tradition as a fall back for ineptitude on the field. ND football is relevant right now not because of what it has done on the field in recent years, but because of that tradition. And what created that tradition in the first place? WINNING.

The goal, above all, is to find the line between adherence to tradition and a modern, cutting edge program. To be able to show both of those to current players and prospective recruits HELPS THE PROGRAM. That's the point that is missing here. Having uniforms like this, even if the older generation hates them, HELPS THE PROGRAM.

Recruits see this stuff, and sure, they may not pick a university based upon it alone, but may see that ND isn't the stuffy old 1940s stereotype school that some recruits probably think it is. So what would happen is it could cause certain players to give pause, consider giving Notre Dame a look. These players will love the traditions that come with ND, but will also recognize that they're not so old-fashioned as to not extend themselves forward, i.e., wearing new flashy jerseys.

And isn't that what matters? In a year from now, when the tradition of ND is as strong as ever and the catcalls and outcries have subsided, who knows how many kids, from the class we're recruiting at the time on down to 8th grade kids, might stop and realize that maybe ND isn't so traditionalist. Maybe the university, the people, and the football team are more modern and committed to the players than people think.

Most people love tradition. It's what defines the very fabric of most of our customs, families, and country (like the flag, national anthem, holidays, etc.). But at the same time, younger people want to distinguish that tradition and formulate their own identity. This doesn't mean forsaking the tradition. It means keeping it, utilizing it, and tweaking it temporarily. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just don't understand, in any way, shape or form, why people would be opposed to something that helps the program succeed more on the field. Tradition isn't going anywhere, but field turf, a jumbotron, and alternate jerseys once a year IMPROVE the quality of the program, whether you believe it or not. I'm not saying that we should join a conference, or lower academic standards, because I don't think we should and those arguments are red herrings. We all know that changing those two things forsakes the reputation and ability of the university for other success on the field. But taking progressive measures to make ND appealing to the modern athlete, while maintaining tradition, is EXACTLY what we should be doing. Drawing the line with alternate jerseys for ONE game achieves this very same purpose. And you know what upholds the Notre Dame tradition of excellence? WINNING!!!!

That's what I consider. Take away all the hate for jerseys that they're only going to wear for ONE game, realize it's going to do nothing deplorable to the university or it's tradition, and recognize it is only serving to establish that ND is, and will be in the future, a modern football program that more student-athletes can be interested in.

 

[IrishMoore1]

Jeff Samardzija, a former two-sport star at Notre Dame, doesn't like the "Shamrock Series" uniforms the Irish will wear in Chicago - ESPN Chicago

 

[SoIll]

October 6th.. Notre Dame will be wearing these magnificant uniforms, while the university of miami will be wearing these

 

[BGIF]

Jeff Samardzija, a former two-sport star at Notre Dame, doesn't like the "Shamrock Series" uniforms the Irish will wear in Chicago - ESPN Chicago

Samardzija, hmmm, must be another one of the over 70 crowd that never broke a sweat for ND, right?

 

[BGIF]

October 6th.. Notre Dame will be wearing these magnificant uniforms, while the university of miami will be wearing these

So Miami is staying with tradition.