Rees and Calabrese Suspended for Navy Game in Dublin

[jonesman]

I am a big fan of Carlo. I think he plays with passion. He is not great against the pass, but plays the run well. We will miss him at Navy.

Carlo, if you are smart, you will make this motivation to get your starting position back. Good Luck Carlo!!! Get ready for Purdue and the rest of 2012.

As for Rees. You have a serios uphill battle trying to get your job back from Hendrix and Golson.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Absolutely ridiculous that Carlo was suspended for the same amount of time as Rees. Absolutely and utterly ridiculous. That's effectively equating what he did (i.e. "disorderly conduct" for making a "threat") to running from the cops + assault. Wouldn't be too surprised to see a transfer; if I was in his shoes I'd be beyond pissed off.

I had a problem with this too. I'm not a Calabrese fan at all but he didn't deserve to miss out on that opportunity.

 

[Grahambo]

Maybe BK's message to the team: Don't mess with authority, period. Doesn't matter how big or small and whether you think they are in the right or the wrong but you will respect authority.

 

[Grahambo]

"Kelly will likely have to manipulate his depth chart, at least for the Navy game. Walk-on Joe Schmidt becomes the primary backup, though Kelly could shift middle linebacker backups Jarrett Grace or Kendall Moore, or outside linebacker Anthony Rabasa to the weakside position until Calabrese works his way back into Kelly’s good graces."

Notre Dame football: Kelly suspends Rees, Calabrese for season opener - southbendtribune.com

 

[arrowryan]

I don't know why they were out partying any way. If I was on this team, my *** would be in my dorm every night staying out of things like this.

I don't feel bad for Tommy at all, he deserves it. I'm excited to see what Golson will do.

Now Calabrese on the other hand, I feel for him.

 

[Chamellion]

I don't know why they were out partying any way. If I was on this team, my *** would be in my dorm every night staying out of things like this.

I don't feel bad for Tommy at all, he deserves it. I'm excited to see what Golson will do.

Now Calabrese on the other hand, I feel for him.

It's college and these kids are jocks. Carlo is 21. They went out with friends.

If you havn't been to college yet, you really wouldn't know. At ND, the culture is very much so "work hard party hard." I also believe it was the weekend. If I didn't go out on the weekend to have some fun, I would have a nervous breakdown at school.

They were blowing off steam and crossed the line.


Edit: Damn that "if you haven't been" looks condescending to me, but I don't know how else to phrase it.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I don't know why they were out partying any way. If I was on this team, my *** would be in my dorm every night staying out of things like this.

The type of kid that stays in his room to avoid the big scary world and all the trouble in it are generally not the sort of Type-As that excel in sports, especially football. So if you actually would sit in your dorm by yourself instead of partying with all of your friends, that may partially explain why you're not on a team.

They didn't get in trouble because they left their dorms, or even because they were at a party. They got in trouble because they acted like dopes when the cops showed up.

 

[JadeBrecks]

Why is the general idea golsen? It seems like any time there is talk of someone other than Rees Hendrix is always passed over like he its the obvious lesser. What is everyone seeing that i am missing? This is an honest question.

 

[TinyT]

I was under the impression that Floyd was suspended for all football related activities, including voluntary summer workouts. I actually thought he had to work out away from the team on his own, not in the Gug. If he was suspended around the end of March he missed 4 months of football training time?

Rees disobeyed, ran from and assaulted a police officer and got off with some community service and a 1 game suspension. He gets to attend fall camp, he was able to participate in voluntary workouts. Seems like a minimal punishment for the action.

As for Calabrese...he threatened a police officer, even if he doesn't have people, he needs to learn to control his mouth and actions when under the influence. Perhaps this will make him think twice prior to firing his mouth off towards a police officer.

On the plus side, this gives two people who may not have made the trip a chance to go to Ireland, so good for whoever it is.

As for the question if Coach Kelly would suspend Teo? I'm not sure that is a fair question, would Teo actually put himself in that situation?

 

[NYMIKE6]

Why is the general idea golsen? It seems like any time there is talk of someone other than Rees Hendrix is always passed over like he its the obvious lesser. What is everyone seeing that i am missing? This is an honest question.

Most recent memory: the completion he threw to Ishaq in the Blue/Gold game.

 

[dshans]

Could you imagine being a freshman/sophomore girl living on that dorm floor? That's just not fair. How could you study?

Point of order (and not having to do with grammar this time): Notre Dame does not have co-ed dormitories. Any female "living" on any floor of any men's dorm would have some splainin' to do to Res Life.

 

[DCIrish]

Why is the general idea golsen? It seems like any time there is talk of someone other than Rees Hendrix is always passed over like he its the obvious lesser. What is everyone seeing that i am missing? This is an honest question.

Many have convinced themselves that because Golson is more athletic than the other QB's that he is the perfect fit to run this offense. Really nobody knows how good he can really be until he gets a chance to prove it on the field.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Why is the general idea golsen? It seems like any time there is talk of someone other than Rees Hendrix is always passed over like he its the obvious lesser. What is everyone seeing that i am missing? This is an honest question.

Hendrix has a cannon and he seems more athletic than Rees, but he did not impress me much with his decision making on the field. He made some throws that were truly dumbfounding. As much as it sucks to say, I've heard whispers that the amount of time that his field of study demands of him may not allow him to focus enough on being a quarterback. Not to mention, that even Hendrix's best qualities, Golson seems to match him. Golson also has a great arm and looks appreciably more athletic to me on film.

 

[koonja]

I've seen enough of Rees and Hendrix to live with never seeing them again. Won't be mad if it's Hendrix, just less excited. IDK how proven Golson is, Hendrix looks like the kid from 'rookie of the year' with his rocket arm, problem is this is football where WRs run routes with moving defenses, not a stationary home-plate. Rees is well, Rees. #Golson4life(or until Keil takes over )

 

[D-BOE34]

Was it not quoted from an article on here before that BK said he was looking for Hendrix to be a leader on the field. Had all the tools but lacked grabbing charge of the team?

Someone please help that is big on grabbing resources. EYE NO I read it somewhere on here in a link added.

 

[GreatGolson]

Contrary to my handle, i really hope this means Golson is the man!!

 

[Buster Bluth]

I said it in the Golson thread, but realized it probably should be here.



Listen, i'm a vocal proponent of Team Golson and Team Kiel, but that doesn't mean that I want our coach unfairly punishing our players to ease his PR nightmare about the starting QB. I feel like they should have been given the same opportunities as Floyd to earn their way back.

Eh. I see what you're saying, but it's not that "games missed" is the only way to measure it.

Michael Floyd benefited tremendously from the timing. He was suspended through the spring, Rees/Carlo didn't have that "luxury."

Floyd by accounts I have read, did a complete 180-degree turn. He moved into the dorms (not his choice) and changed his life--which was the goal. We don't know the reactions of Rees/Carlo but perhaps they weren't as great?

And an underage drinking offense < an OVI. No doubt.

But, threatening (Carlo) and assaulting officers (Rees) is probably worse than that in some people's eyes. Yes, the heavy charges on Rees were dropped (right?), but the PR toll was taken. Simply saying, a stud WR getting a DUI and a starting QB fighting with cops....though are both pretty bad headlines.

 

[calvegas04]

damn I would rather be suspended for 5 games and be able to travel with the team, than be suspended for 1 and miss Ireland.

 

[returnofthemack]

I have been an active proponent for benching Rees, but I will never side with a police officer against an ND student. I still don't think he kneed a cop in the stomach. Regardless, as others have said, I think this is a message from Kelly saying that he is going to take any more public transgressions seriously - make the University look bad, you're going to pay. I don't really care about Rees sitting out, if Golson/Hendrix don't do well, we're actually in worse position than we started out. So we should all hold judgment until the season starts. That being said, I'm praying Golson takes off and leads this offense to new levels.

 

[returnofthemack]

An additional effect of this punishment that you guys haven't considered is that this could potentially derail Tommy's Heisman campaign...

 

[95NDAlumNM]

An additional effect of this punishment that you guys haven't considered is that this could potentially derail Tommy's Heisman campaign...

So you are saying that all that money I layed down in Vegas was a waste?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I was under the impression that Floyd was suspended for all football related activities, including voluntary summer workouts. I actually thought he had to work out away from the team on his own, not in the Gug. If he was suspended around the end of March he missed 4 months of football training time?

Rees disobeyed, ran from and assaulted a police officer and got off with some community service and a 1 game suspension. He gets to attend fall camp, he was able to participate in voluntary workouts. Seems like a minimal punishment for the action.

As for Calabrese...he threatened a police officer, even if he doesn't have people, he needs to learn to control his mouth and actions when under the influence. Perhaps this will make him think twice prior to firing his mouth off towards a police officer.

On the plus side, this gives two people who may not have made the trip a chance to go to Ireland, so good for whoever it is.

As for the question if Coach Kelly would suspend Teo? I'm not sure that is a fair question, would Teo actually put himself in that situation?

Yessir.... You nailed it.

 

[BobD]

Keith Arnold weighs in here.



Quote:
Rees was informed of the decision to miss the trip to Ireland last week. While some fans have taken pleasure in seeing the Irish offense put into the hands of Golson or Hendrix, key offensive teammates were unhappy with the decision, another piece of evidence that should remind fans that while many are clamoring for a change behind center, the offensive players have largely put their faith in Rees.


I believe some players that are friends with Tommy are upset because their buddy won't be going to Ireland. I don't believe many if any of the players are upset because they felt Tommy was the best choice as starter. JMHO

 

[woolybug25]

There is a lot of rationalizing going on here. I remember the day Michael Floyd got busted. I was on a cruise ship in the middle of the Caribean and was watching ESPN with about 20 other dudes all talking about it. When I got back to land, I had over 20 texts from friends about it. So I don't buy that a mug shot of Rees was more embarrassing.

Furthermore, Rees missing fall camp is still worse punishment than Floyd's because it would make it almost impossible for him to be ready to start where Floyd got to go to the those practices and prepare for the first game. Making Rees and especially Carlo miss the Dublin trip completely is overboard. If I was a player on this team and had to see two of my brothers sit at home when I know d@mn well they wouldn't be if they were better contributors on the field, I would walk into Kelly's office and drop my jersey on his desk.

Kelly told us that Michael's punishment was all about him as a person. He told us that it was all about helping him learn from his mistake.

Now he has clearly made a football first decision when it comes to Rees and Carlo. He didn't want them to sit fall camp because he knows he may need them to be ready later in the year. He knew that he had a PR nightmare with Rees and by suspending him the first game, he wouldn't actually have to make the decision between him and Golson. If Golson fails, then it's not his fault.

I have been in Kelly's corner in almost all of his decisions. But I will not stand by this one.

 

[BobD]

The two young men made a stupid mistake and were punished. Lets move on.

 

[koonja]

I'm sure everyone has an opinion on what is worse, DUI or battering a cop, but I know a lot of people who have DUIs and a couple that have battered/assaulted a cop. The ones that go after a cops are some of the dumbest people I I know.

Point is, IMO, assaulting/battering an officer shows more lapse in character whereas DUI shows poor judgement. At least as a rule of thumb. I'm more embarassed for ND about the assaulting of the officer than Floyd's DUI.

 

[Redbar]

There is a lot of rationalizing going on here. I remember the day Michael Floyd got busted. I was on a cruise ship in the middle of the Caribean and was watching ESPN with about 20 other dudes all talking about it. When I got back to land, I had over 20 texts from friends about it. So I don't buy that a mug shot of Rees was more embarrassing.

Furthermore, Rees missing fall camp is still worse punishment than Floyd's because it would make it almost impossible for him to be ready to start where Floyd got to go to the those practices and prepare for the first game. Making Rees and especially Carlo miss the Dublin trip completely is overboard. If I was a player on this team and had to see two of my brothers sit at home when I know d@mn well they wouldn't be if they were better contributors on the field, I would walk into Kelly's office and drop my jersey on his desk.

Kelly told us that Michael's punishment was all about him as a person. He told us that it was all about helping him learn from his mistake.

Now he has clearly made a football first decision when it comes to Rees and Carlo. He didn't want them to sit fall camp because he knows he may need them to be ready later in the year. He knew that he had a PR nightmare with Rees and by suspending him the first game, he wouldn't actually have to make the decision between him and Golson. If Golson fails, then it's not his fault.

I have been in Kelly's corner in almost all of his decisions. But I will not stand by this one.

I don't see it this way, Wooly. Coach had to do something, Tommy and Carlo forced his hand. I don't think what they did was a major offense but it did require punishment. I don't think anyone would argue that he addressed the Floyd situation in the best possible way for Floyd. What would you have him do here? What do you think would have been fair?

 

[woolybug25]

I don't see it this way, Wooly. Coach had to do something, Tommy and Carlo forced his hand. I don't think what they did was a major offense but it did require punishment. I don't think anyone would argue that he addressed the Floyd situation in the best possible way for Floyd. What would you have him do here? What do you think would have been fair?

I'm glad you asked:

Tommy
- No fall practice: This would suck for depth at QB, but these punishments are about helping the players learn and better themselves right? I mean, that's what we were told about Floyd.
- Mandatory Community Service: Would need to go around to public schools and talk about the dangers of underage drinking. 100 hours minimum.
- In Person Apology to the Police Officers
- Minimum GPA of 3.0
- Mandatory curfew of 10:00pm
- Public apology to his teammates
- Must sit out the first game of the season (which is inevitable since he missed all of fall practice)
- Completion of all court sentenced punishments

Carlo
- Mandatory Community Service: Would need to go around to public schools and talk about the dangers of underage drinking. 100 hours minimum.
- In Person Apology to the Police Officers
- Minimum GPA of 3.0
- Mandatory curfew of 10:00pm
- Public apology to his teammates
- Completion of all court sentenced punishments



Remember, these were misdemeanor crimes that they were found guilty of, not the original charges. All of these conditions would need to be met before being allowed back into either practice or games. But both would travel to Dublin.

* edit - Also, the "the coach had to do something" falls short for me. This would be something. It would be a punishment more fitting of personal development of Rees/Carlo and also more in line with the presedence he set with Floyd.

 

[IrishLax]

Tommy did have the assault charges dropped, right? Just got resisting for running + minor in consumption? If that's the case, really hard to argue that he deserves more than a game or two.

 

[Irishbounty28]

I feel that some form of punishment needed to come down, and it is unfortunate that these two have to miss the trip to Dublin. However, I do not think that the punishment was overboard, but more along the lines of what needed to be done.

I would agree with wooly that this decision does seem to contradict what Coach Kelly did with Floyd, but the decision is his to make. I am sure there were many different considerations made on his part, and all of these things that are being talked about on this board were probably deliberated. I would assume that the Coach made the decision he felt was best for the team, as well as for Tommy and Carlo.
If you look at the prospect of them missing fall camp and how it could drastically set these two back, it seems the decision, from a football development standpoint, benefits both these kids well. They will be able to take part in activities with the football team, and in doing so will have the best opportunity to compete for a spot once the team returns from Dublin.

It looks as though this was a "football" decision that Coach Kelly made to benefit the team, and ease the transition to a different quarterback. What should be considered is the fact that this decision could have been best for the team, as well as Tommy and Carlo.