Paterno Statue Down/PSU Penalties?

[GoIrish41]

and the janitors, and the AD and the president, etc, etc???

Where does it end? When does the accountability fall on the university? Ever?


That's the thing, this was university wide, it was community wide. Acting like you can pull three or four individuals out and place the blame is ludicrous. People are acting like the university is separate from the people that make it up. THE PEOPLE ARE THE UNIVERSITY!

Look wooly, I agree with you almost all the time and I don't completely disagree with your positon here. But, if you think the entire community (or even players on the team) knowingly turned the other way while Sandusky was raping children, that is just riduculous. Should there be accountability? Absolutely!!! But punishing everyone to make sure you get to the ones who did it is a bit middle-age for my taste. A lot of my family lives in Centre County and some live right in State College. I have family members who work at the university, and I can assure you that none of them knew anything about this until the rest of the world knew. How should they be punished? My daughter is a freshman at Penn State. Should she be punished? I don't disagree that three or four people were responsible for the whole cover up, but it certainly wasn't hundreds or thousands. Anyone who had knowledge and didn't report it should be called out. That is what accountability is all about. But innocent people should not be collateral damage.

 

[NDinL.A.]

No doubt man, I used to be on 247 and the members there are brutal. The team site was fine but when you get on there main board it gets out of control fast.

ummmmm, pretty sure he meant 24 hours a day, 7 days a week - not the website LOL...

 

[ohara831]

I may be in the minority, but I think vacating the wins is completely over the top. There was no competetive advantage gained for Penn State football that had anything to do with these horrific crimes or the subsequent cover up. Vacating wins, it seems to me, should apply when a football program is caught cheating to win. I'm sure there are thousands of examples of crimes or other reprehensible behaviors committed by coaching staffs over the years. Should wins be vacated in all those cases too. I'm no Penn State fan by any stretch, but I think this portion of the penalty against the school seems silly. None of the players who played in any games from 1998 to 2011 had anything to do with any of this. Why are they paying the price?

Vacating the wins was all about Paterno. It is a statement to his legacy. All those wins after 1998, when he protected his program and Sandusky at the peril of those children, mean absolutely nothing. What he failed to do to protect the young children being raped and abused by Sandusky far outweighs anything good he did for PSU. It tells Paterno that his time and efforts for his football program for the last 13 years was meaningless. And that is one heck of a parting shot by the NCAA to a man who has already died because it is simply to crush his legacy. And I think it was a well deserved punishment.

 

[NDPhilly]

ummmmm, pretty sure he meant 24 hours a day, 7 days a week - not the website LOL...

This. But PSU fans are pretty bad on there to hahaha

 

[tadman95]

The Paterno family needs to shut the hell up.

Statement from Paterno family about NCAA sanctions | Fox News

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

Like philly said Penn state has some of the worst fans in college football. They are such a denial, that they make themesleves look even worse. Can't stand their arrogance and cult worshippping of joe pa.

 

[ndfi78]

Vacating the wins was all about Paterno. It is a statement to his legacy. All those wins after 1998, when he protected his program and Sandusky at the peril of those children, mean absolutely nothing. What he failed to do to protect the young children being raped and abused by Sandusky far outweighs anything good he did for PSU. It tells Paterno that his time and efforts for his football program for the last 13 years was meaningless. And that is one heck of a parting shot by the NCAA to a man who has already died because it is simply to crush his legacy. And I think it was a well deserved punishment.

This is absolutely correct.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Question

Question

I live with a recent PSU grad, so today has been a little crazy to say the least. Nobody on-here though thinks the NCAA may have over-stepped their boundaries just a little??

I mean a Louis Freeh report on Mohamed bin Hammam (a FIFA presidential candidate) was found to be "faulty", and subsequently his lifetime ban was overturned just earlier this year. Its not crazy to think he might have made mistakes and assumptions on this one as well

In conclusion, I personally feel like this is very rushed and if PSU's new interim president wasn't such a pushover(and I try to say that in not a terribly derogatory sense) they could fight this in the courts and have a shot to overturn it. But the amount of bad PR they would get would be horrendous, so really no good move. You take the punishment lying down you **** off the largest alumni base in the country, you fight it you make yourself out to look like you dont care about the well-being of victims.

 

[NDBoiler]

I live with a recent PSU grad, so today has been a little crazy to say the least. Nobody on-here though thinks the NCAA may have over-stepped their boundaries just a little??

I mean a Louis Freeh report on Mohamed bin Hammam (a FIFA presidential candidate) was found to be "faulty", and subsequently his lifetime ban was overturned just earlier this year. Its not crazy to think he might have made mistakes and assumptions on this one as well

In conclusion, I personally feel like this is very rushed and if PSU's new interim president wasn't such a pushover(and I try to say that in not a terribly derogatory sense) they could fight this in the courts and have a shot to overturn it. But the amount of bad PR they would get would be horrendous, so really no good move. You take the punishment lying down you **** off the largest alumni base in the country, you fight it you make yourself out to look like you dont care about the well-being of victims.

In light of the fact that the Freeh report was solicited by the PSU board, I am not sure how they would fight what ultimately was the end result of the report?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I live with a recent PSU grad, so today has been a little crazy to say the least. Nobody on-here though thinks the NCAA may have over-stepped their boundaries just a little??

I mean a Louis Freeh report on Mohamed bin Hammam (a FIFA presidential candidate) was found to be "faulty", and subsequently his lifetime ban was overturned just earlier this year. Its not crazy to think he might have made mistakes and assumptions on this one as well

In conclusion, I personally feel like this is very rushed and if PSU's new interim president wasn't such a pushover(and I try to say that in not a terribly derogatory sense) they could fight this in the courts and have a shot to overturn it. But the amount of bad PR they would get would be horrendous, so really no good move. You take the punishment lying down you **** off the largest alumni base in the country, you fight it you make yourself out to look like you dont care about the well-being of victims.

Penn State agreed to the sanctions. There is nothing to fight.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I live with a recent PSU grad, so today has been a little crazy to say the least. Nobody on-here though thinks the NCAA may have over-stepped their boundaries just a little??

I mean a Louis Freeh report on Mohamed bin Hammam (a FIFA presidential candidate) was found to be "faulty", and subsequently his lifetime ban was overturned just earlier this year. Its not crazy to think he might have made mistakes and assumptions on this one as well

In conclusion, I personally feel like this is very rushed and if PSU's new interim president wasn't such a pushover(and I try to say that in not a terribly derogatory sense) they could fight this in the courts and have a shot to overturn it. But the amount of bad PR they would get would be horrendous, so really no good move. You take the punishment lying down you **** off the largest alumni base in the country, you fight it you make yourself out to look like you dont care about the well-being of victims.

PSU endorsed the Freeh Report. Faults or no, they essentially plead guilty to its contents. That's what allowed to NCAA to skip right to destroying the program, since the need for investigating and weighing evidence was obviated.

 

[woolybug25]

Look wooly, I agree with you almost all the time and I don't completely disagree with your positon here. But, if you think the entire community (or even players on the team) knowingly turned the other way while Sandusky was raping children, that is just riduculous. Should there be accountability? Absolutely!!! But punishing everyone to make sure you get to the ones who did it is a bit middle-age for my taste. A lot of my family lives in Centre County and some live right in State College. I have family members who work at the university, and I can assure you that none of them knew anything about this until the rest of the world knew. How should they be punished? My daughter is a freshman at Penn State. Should she be punished? I don't disagree that three or four people were responsible for the whole cover up, but it certainly wasn't hundreds or thousands. Anyone who had knowledge and didn't report it should be called out. That is what accountability is all about. But innocent people should not be collateral damage.

The parents and loved ones of the molested children are the innocent ones that got collateral damage from this, not the community of Happy Valley. Christ, that same community forced victim #1 into witness protection. That same community loved the fact that JoePa was bigger than PSU, but now they don't want to share the costs of him doing just that? If my company fostered a child molestation scandal, it would be shut down and I would lose my job. That's life, my man.

I don't think the community deserved to be betrayed by the leadership of PSU, but they were. So they should be mad at PSU for hurting them, not the NCAA.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

In light of the fact that the Freeh report was solicited by the PSU board, I am not sure how they would fight what ultimately was the end result of the report?

It is an odd situation and way above my pay-grade to understand. I guess what im saying is that it just seems the Freeh report is being touted as Be All and End All of this investigation. I find that odd when Freeh's track record isn't spotless.


http://wearecentralpa.com/images/Mu...x/pdf/2012_07/2012-07-22 - Letter to NCAA.pdf

Also, PSU new leaders look like they will take whatever punishment lying down, but it doesn't look like the alumni will^

 

[yankeeND]

ummmmm, pretty sure he meant 24 hours a day, 7 days a week - not the website LOL...

Oops, haha my bad fellas been a long day.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Nobody on-here though thinks the NCAA may have over-stepped their boundaries just a little??

nope.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Penn State agreed to the sanctions. There is nothing to fight.

Fair enough, I just hope they know what they're doing. Because it sure looks like from a far they signed their own death certificate. Freeh is a human he could have made a mistake, and he didn't even interview any of the guilty parties except Spanier I believe. It just is an odd situation which honestly I cannot fully understand.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

I expect Erickson and Joyner to be forced out or resign.

 

[NDBoiler]

It is an odd situation and way above my pay-grade to understand. I guess what im saying is that it just seems the Freeh report is being touted as Be All and End All of this investigation. I find that odd when Freeh's track record isn't spotless.


[B]http://wearecentralpa.com/images... future (according to the link at least).[/I]

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I live with a recent PSU grad, so today has been a little crazy to say the least. Nobody on-here though thinks the NCAA may have over-stepped their boundaries just a little??

I mean a Louis Freeh report on Mohamed bin Hammam (a FIFA presidential candidate) was found to be "faulty", and subsequently his lifetime ban was overturned just earlier this year. Its not crazy to think he might have made mistakes and assumptions on this one as well

In conclusion, I personally feel like this is very rushed and if PSU's new interim president wasn't such a pushover(and I try to say that in not a terribly derogatory sense) they could fight this in the courts and have a shot to overturn it. But the amount of bad PR they would get would be horrendous, so really no good move. You take the punishment lying down you **** off the largest alumni base in the country, you fight it you make yourself out to look like you dont care about the well-being of victims.

Sounds like someone got bribed by bin Hammam because he is a piece of human trash. The only thing that could be faulty was if they left out stuff he did that was immoral and illegal.

 

[IrishLax]

I live with a recent PSU grad, so today has been a little crazy to say the least. Nobody on-here though thinks the NCAA may have over-stepped their boundaries just a little??

I mean a Louis Freeh report on Mohamed bin Hammam (a FIFA presidential candidate) was found to be "faulty", and subsequently his lifetime ban was overturned just earlier this year. Its not crazy to think he might have made mistakes and assumptions on this one as well

First of all, FIFA is... FIFA? I can tell by your avatar that you get international soccer. There is nothing else to really be said. The report was found "faulty" by a narrow 2-1 vote that admitted there was basically a 99% chance that it was correct, but there was still that troubling 1%...... sigh... FIFA..... for all we know the panel was paid off too........

In conclusion, I personally feel like this is very rushed and if PSU's new interim president wasn't such a pushover(and I try to say that in not a terribly derogatory sense) they could fight this in the courts and have a shot to overturn it. But the amount of bad PR they would get would be horrendous, so really no good move. You take the punishment lying down you **** off the largest alumni base in the country, you fight it you make yourself out to look like you dont care about the well-being of victims.

I think the penalties are too strong in one specific area, and that's scholarship reductions. A 4-5 year bowl ban is certainly appropriate and sends the desired message/deterrent that huge criminal coverups to preserve image, reputation, careers, records, etc. in the name of football will not be tolerated... especially when they lead to endangerment of the welfare of more individuals through inaction. Simply put, there is no way the NCAA could not act. To not act would implicitly encourage more schools to act in the reprehensible fashion in which PSU did. The fine of $60 million, if anything, is light. It definitely makes sense though on many, many levels. Vacating wins? Punitive to Paterno and deterrent to future coaches who might make bad choices to protect their "legacy." I get it.

The scholarship reductions? I really think those are unnecessary. The bowl ban is crippling enough to the program in its own right.... does it really matter if you have 65 2 recruits or 85 2 recruits? Really just adds another 2 years or so onto the projected amount of time it might take PSU to recover.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

[/B]]First of all, FIFA is... FIFA
This is very true FIFA makes the NCAA look golden, but supposedly Freeh has other spots on his record as well(but who doesn't)


Also I agree with your summary on the penalties possibly might have been a little harsh. IMO will take about a decade for PSU to recover. I just wish we would have allowed Spanier, Curley, and Schultz their day in court before they laid the hammer down. Can you believe the craziness that will pursue if it is found they didn't cover-up after all in court.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

 

[Irishbounty28]

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[Irishbounty28]

90 minutes until **** hits the fan. $100mil vBucks and reps to whomever does a quick photoshop of a Terminator 3: Judgement Day poster for this presser.

Here ya go. Took me a second to figure it out. Sorry about the last post.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

IMO will take about a decade for PSU to recover.

wait a sec, here. You're making a pretty big assumption.... that they will "recover".

I could very easily see Pennsylvania State become as irrelevant as say, Minnesota, permanently. There's no certainty that they will "recover".

 

[Irish YJ]

IMO some of the sanctions fit the crime, but not all. I like hitting them financially. At the end of the day, this is about the victims first and foremost, and loss of institutional control. A sport, and a man, got bigger than life. There is no right answer to something so bad. I do feel bad for the kids who have been there, and all the staff that had nothing to do with any of this. Pales for sure to what the victims will continue to go through, but not sure the punishment truly impacted those responsible for such a heinous act. My grandfather always said that "fair is where you get cotton candy". The older I get, the wiser he becomes. Just a sad, sad, bad, bad situation.

 

[ACamp1900]

I can't say the penalties were right or wrong... in a case like this I don’t think you ever get enough done retroactively or spare the innocent parties like the current players and such. This is just a hard s[pot for everybody. Nothing can ever make this thing clean again… at least not any time soon. I do feel some of the hits are pretty unfair to certain parties (players and alums), but thell that to the victums........ sucks all around.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

wait a sec, here. You're making a pretty big assumption.... that they will "recover".

I could very easily see Pennsylvania State become as irrelevant as say, Minnesota, permanently. There's no certainty that they will "recover".

Fair Point, To each his own. The odds of them winning a BCS(or whatever it will be called) championship within our generation are slim. But its not like PA high school football talent will vanish over-night, and Beaver Stadium will not be torn down. I think it will be a slow process, but eventually they will bounce back to relevancy.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

BWI is saying other sites are reporting Hackenberg has already said he's gone.

 

[johnnykillz]

BWI is saying other sites are reporting Hackenberg has already said he's gone.

Hackenberg is a stud.

Who lands him?