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irishog77

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HCTI brings up a good point-- the ability to openly and freely discuss silly topics such as immigration, abortion, health care is paramount for a society to flourish....but, even more so, are serious topics like Kate Upton, boner pill side effects, Dolly Parton movies, if Brittany Greiner may or may not have a tinkler, gud grammur, Bob Diaco and Everett Golson's height, ROI's, potential, sourceless and pic-less posts, and gif sizes.

Oh yeah-- add ND football to any and all lists.

'Merica....motherfu#kers!!!!!!!
 

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HCTI brings up a good point-- the ability to openly and freely discuss silly topics such as immigration, abortion, health care is paramount for a society to flourish....but, even more so, are serious topics like Kate Upton, boner pill side effects, Dolly Parton movies, if Brittany Greiner may or may not have a tinkler, gud grammur, Bob Diaco and Everett Golson's height, ROI's, potential, sourceless and pic-less posts, and gif sizes.

Oh yeah-- add ND football to any and all lists.

'Merica....motherfu#kers!!!!!!!

If we can't talk about boner pill side effects, what kind of country is this?

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Freedom of speech is a good freedom. As all philosophers of governmental systems have pointed out across the ages, there are no freedoms which do not bring with them a concomitant seriousness of responsibility. Accepting the freedom means accepting the responsibility. Without such resolve in the "citizenry" no society can stand.

Most of us who graduated from Notre Dame, in fact, got the message that it was the responsibility part which comprises the greater. Freedom is about the individual; responsibility is about the group. The older I have gotten, the importance of the group has become greater and greater... in family, in Notre Dame football, in life.

Could not agree with you more.


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Just remember to contact a doctor if it last longer than 4 hours!

Can you imagine what it would be like if that happened? I imagne you would get a bit sore with tingly extremities after a while since your blood would be elsewhere. When you get to the doctor what do you say? How does the doctor "cure" you? Pray to God it's an attractive female one I guess...
 
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tadman95

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Contact a doctor? Hell I'm contacting everyone!

And I will post pics!
 

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LOL, good times

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I'm good. You?

Are you sure brah? All that crying you've been doing lately, seems like you need one. If not, cool. If you do, you know have a shoulder to lean on.

As for me, none necessary. I always wear my big boy jeans to the party, so it's all good brah...
 

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You know freedom of speech, this idea that everyone is equal and has a voice is really socialism. I am glad that the Supreme Court, in the Citizens United case, finally realized that speech isn't free. The more money and power you have the more your speech is worth. "Corporations are people my friend". Their speech should not be limited because "we punish success". If you want a voice, you should work harder.
 

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Freedom of speech is a good freedom. As all philosophers of governmental systems have pointed out across the ages, there are no freedoms which do not bring with them a concomitant seriousness of responsibility. Accepting the freedom means accepting the responsibility. Without such resolve in the "citizenry" no society can stand.

Most of us who graduated from Notre Dame, in fact, got the message that it was the responsibility part which comprises the greater. Freedom is about the individual; responsibility is about the group. The older I have gotten, the importance of the group has become greater and greater... in family, in Notre Dame football, in life.

Wisdom.
 

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You know freedom of speech, this idea that everyone is equal and has a voice is really socialism. I am glad that the Supreme Court, in the Citizens United case, finally realized that speech isn't free. The more money and power you have the more your speech is worth. "Corporations are people my friend". Their speech should not be limited because "we punish success". If you want a voice, you should work harder.

REPS!
 

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I should let this go because I am almost certain that I am misinterpreting Jason's point, so let's not make the response below in any way about Jason, but rather only about some of the words that I do not think convey what we in America are all about.

Lets imagine a landscape with a large group of people milling about. Those individuals might decide individually to remain radically independent of one another ["each a law unto himself"] or may choose to get into an organizational relationship --- a law-ordered society. Such societies may range from the minimalistically constrained [a radical libertarian democracy with almost no "government" and few laws] to increasing forms of moderated democracies, wherein rights and power still theoretically reside in the people, to forms of governance emphasizing entities other than the individual people, such as monarchy [The King], oligarchy [The high-born], socialism [the societal entity and its goals not necessarily honoring certain individual thrival], communism {dictionary style} [the community general good without individual economic differences], and a lot of other shades and compromises.

The United States is a democracy with quite a few compromises to ensure what our leaders have felt rightly or wrongly, from the Constitution on down, to be in the interest of the general well-being of the citizens. Freedom of Speech is firmly within this context of Democracy, and not of "socialism". In fact, since freedom of speech is oriented to the individual citizen and not to the society nor government nor corporation, it is in fact antithetical to concepts other than democracy.

But the United States is a limited democracy, which does care about the general good and so one cannot in principle exercise any Constitutional right to the detriment of other citizens. Therefore having freedom of speech is like all other freedoms bound by the requirement that when using it you cannot limit your fellow citizens' rights to "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". Since actions will inevitably conflict, the larger society must have means to maintain order [police] and to render judgement and restitution [the legal system]. In a Libertarian Democracy, this would probably be settled rather by mobs and lynchings and whoever had the strongest right cross.

By far the most controversial court decision of the 20th century was when it was decided to give corporate entities the legal standing of "people". Whether one agrees with that decision or not, it radically tilted the playing field in matters where corporations came into conflict with actual individuals, who could not match their economic base and what that base could do to influence court decisions and policy.

The Constitutional framers did not desire for money to be playing a major role in controlling the legal system for reasons that any political historian and philosopher regards as obvious. To maintain their concept of a limited democracy, while striving to honor individual rights [such as free speech] as much as possible, the court system needs to be as "democratically" [i.e. flat playing field; for rich or poor] oriented/based as possible. Allowing corporations to be defined as citizens could theoretically have been coherent with such a goal, but given what we really know about real world function, it is not.
 
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The problem with the Constitution is that it was written a few hundred years ago and is in need of a fresh makeover.
 

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You know freedom of speech, this idea that everyone is equal and has a voice is really socialism. I am glad that the Supreme Court, in the Citizens United case, finally realized that speech isn't free. The more money and power you have the more your speech is worth. "Corporations are people my friend". Their speech should not be limited because "we punish success". If you want a voice, you should work harder.

Great post.

Welcome back J, you grumpy bundle
 
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