Illegal Immigrant to get Law License?

[RDU Irish]

I will also submit a lot of people are in this country for jobs only, they fully intend to return to their home country. My wife filled in at a 95% spanish speaking clinic a year ago and there were three families (in two days there) that came in saying it was their last visit, they were moving back home because the job market sucked for them. Part of this hinged on more stringent documentation standards by employers. And I am a big opponent of making business do the government's policework.

My cousin also worked internationally and married a woman from the Ukraine. He worked under GHW Bush, his brother is married to HW's personal secretary. The process was still incredibly complicated and expensive for them to even get her Visa lined up for when they wanted to move back to the US.

So those that are here really do need a path for legal residence and then get in the back of the line for legal citizenship IF THEY WANT IT. If they don't that is great too, just tax the sh!t out of Visa holders to provide a little competitive advantage to US citizens for identical work. Is that really overly complicated or "unfair" to anyone? What is it that prevents a common sense approach like this from being implimented?

Multifaceted topic that only gets hopeless as opposing factions get militant over their "rights". Send us your poor, your weak and huddled masses - or something like that.

 

[irishpat183]

What would be the benefit of that? Language barriers really aren't a big deal when schools teach pretty much only in English. Having a national language goes against basic American principles. People should be free to speak whatever language they want. The norm favors English-speakers anyways.

They're not a big deal in Indy....Try down here in TX. Where we cater to every whim of the spainsh speaking population in fear of "hurting their feelings"

You obviously, like most living in the north, don't deal with this up close and personal.

That's the one thing that bothers me. You have people and politicans up north trying to tell people in the south what they should do about their boarder problems.

It's like me telling you guys how to deal with the ice on your roads.

 

[irishpat183]

What is the statistic now? What percentage of American citizens can pass the naturalization exam? Don't forget most of us came from immigration, and for every "lazy" immigrant you THINK you know, there are 10 hard working, tail busting, immigrants who would do anything to stay in this country.

Again, another Yank. No clue.


It's hilarious, really. And "most of us came from immigration"......Come on. How many generations back do you want to take this argument???? LOL. That is the most absurd argument when it comes to immigration.

Do you know 10 immigrants? Cause I know a bunch (I own a janitorial company)

And let me tell you, there isn't 10 hardworkers for every 1 lazy.......

Let me know in what capacity you worked with immigrants. I'm curious.

 

[Mr. Larson]

I predict someone will be banned due to this thread........over/under on 20 hours?

I've got my fingers crossed (that it's irishpat).

SSDT (same sh*t different thread).

 

[irishpat183]

That makes sense. Good luck convincing a bunch of people in the deep south about the wide gates thing.

See, people in the south don't mind the wide gates as long as the person walks through them legally.

Stop watching MSNBC, and Rick....err....Racheal Maddow, it's rotting your brain. Come down to the south and check it out for yourself.

Hell, my in-laws are immigrants. But they did it the right and legal way.

Yet they get no respect. It's the illegal that is the "victim" somehow....

 

[irishpat183]

I've got my fingers crossed (that it's irishpat).

SSDT (same sh*t different thread).

Don't hate.

 

[RDU Irish]

Irishpat - I always think you are yelling in a nasally drunk voice b/c of you profile pic. Makes your comments even more fun to read!

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

Again, another Yank. No clue.


It's hilarious, really. And "most of us came from immigration"......Come on. How many generations back do you want to take this argument???? LOL. That is the most absurd argument when it comes to immigration.

Do you know 10 immigrants? Cause I know a bunch (I own a janitorial company)

And let me tell you, there isn't 10 hardworkers for every 1 lazy.......

Let me know in what capacity you worked with immigrants. I'm curious.

I did come from immigration. My Paternal grandfather is going to be 79 in July and he came here from Sweden when he was 9. My maternal great-grandmother came here from Ireland when she was 2 in 1909. So it's not generations back.

What capacity have I worked with immigrants? I'm a nurse. A bilingual nurse who works very closely with the many polish, hungarian, greek, and hispanic members of this community when they are ill. Some of them are elderly and they have medicare, some migrants get pregnancy only medicaid, some do get medicaid, most pay cash. As a matter of fact I spent about 1/3 of my life learning spanish so I could be more versatile in the work place and you know what? I rarely use it, most of the hispanics here speak enough english to get by. But the language I should have learned was Hungarian. South Bend has a HUGE hungarian population. Most of them have lived here for 60+ years and don't speak a word of English, their children bring them in.

The problem is, with any social program, is people who don't use it, run their mouth and don't know anything about them. For example, in my state you MUST produce a US BORN birth certificate to prove your citizenship to get benefits. If you don't have one you have to get a work permit showing you are a traveling migrant worker and you get only get enough food stamps, and medicaid to last you until the season is over, and then you are cut off. People need to stop worrying about who's on welfare and who's not, because most states have time limits. My state has a 4 year time limit, for a lifetime, so if you go on assistance you get 4 years then the boot. Interestingly enough, my state had a very high unemployment rate, and a very high new food stamp case enrollment, but in the area I live in, only 1200 people received cash assistance, and it was even reported to be less than $500 a month. So you live on less than $500 a month in cash, and probably around $200 in food stamps a month, and tell me what there is to be jealous of in that situation??? There are also a LOT of immigrants attending Notre Dame, but again they are European mostly, so they're the wrong color, you couldn't pick em out in a crowd until you heard them speak.

PS...by Yank do you mean American or "Yankee" as in from the northern states? Just because I live here NOW, doesn't mean I always have. Of course there are a few derrogatory terms I can use to describe those south of us too.

 

[sfk324]

They're not a big deal in Indy....Try down here in TX. Where we cater to every whim of the spainsh speaking population in fear of "hurting their feelings"

You obviously, like most living in the north, don't deal with this up close and personal.

That's the one thing that bothers me. You have people and politicans up north trying to tell people in the south what they should do about their boarder problems.

It's like me telling you guys how to deal with the ice on your roads.

You're right, there aren't any immigrants in Chicago, let alone illegal ones. We have no idea what they are like.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

You're right, there aren't any immigrants in Chicago, let alone illegal ones. We have no idea what they are like.

Yeah, I guess he has never been to Mundelein. I am from New Mexico where there is a higher percentage of hispanics and immigrants, and even I was surprised at the changes in Mundelein.

Also, he seem to make some wild generalizations about how it is down here in the south.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

I'm pretty sure Full Metal Jacket taught us all what really comes from Texas....

 

[RDU Irish]

Yeah, my wife is a PNP in the nursery of one of the biggest hospitals in the area. No different in Raleigh NC than it was in Milwaukee WI except for being more Spanish speaking to deal with. Lots claim they know no English until she starts speaking Spanish at which point they start responding in English. They like to think they can listen in on providers and talk amongst themselves to figure out what is going on. Don't like it when the provider plays the same game.

And boy are they quick to ask about their Medicaid and any other benefit they know they can get! I always joke she should get an INS badge and see how quick her caseload lightens up. And if you think any of these folks are paying for their deliveries you are insane.

So when she put in 15 hours on a Saturday trying to see 49 babies by herself, ask yourself how fair that is to the CITIZENS consuming that healthcare versus those that are breaking the law and in many cases using that baby to anchor their residency and income.

But yes, they have a language line to translate just about any language and sometimes it takes quite a while to track down a translator for some obscure dialect, but they do their best to do it. I say pay upfront for that service or bring your own damn translator. Why is it the hospital's responsibility to provide that service for free.

Similar stories are all over public school systems where the districts are OBLIGATED to provide translators for parents to interact with the school. Not cheap stuff when you start throwing those costs around.

 

[irishpat183]

I'm pretty sure Full Metal Jacket taught us all what really comes from Texas....

Says the only chick on a football board.........See, I can do it too

And I was simply asking as to what capacity you worked with immigrants. So you're not really working with them (or managing them), you're treating them.

Totally different. Not even close. (not to say you havent in the past)

Immigrant: somebody settling in country: a newcomer to a country who has settled there


So if you were born here, you're not an immigrant. Doesn't matter where Grandpappy came from. Again, that argument doesn't really apply.

 

[irishpat183]

Yeah, I guess he has never been to Mundelein. I am from New Mexico where there is a higher percentage of hispanics and immigrants, and even I was surprised at the changes in Mundelein.

Also, he seem to make some wild generalizations about how it is down here in the south.

What "wild generalizations"??

I'm explaining my own experiences owning and operating a janitorial company. Which is largely comprised of mexican workers.

 

[irishpat183]

Yeah, my wife is a PNP in the nursery of one of the biggest hospitals in the area. No different in Raleigh NC than it was in Milwaukee WI except for being more Spanish speaking to deal with. Lots claim they know no English until she starts speaking Spanish at which point they start responding in English. They like to think they can listen in on providers and talk amongst themselves to figure out what is going on. Don't like it when the provider plays the same game.

And boy are they quick to ask about their Medicaid and any other benefit they know they can get! I always joke she should get an INS badge and see how quick her caseload lightens up. And if you think any of these folks are paying for their deliveries you are insane.

So when she put in 15 hours on a Saturday trying to see 49 babies by herself, ask yourself how fair that is to the CITIZENS consuming that healthcare versus those that are breaking the law and in many cases using that baby to anchor their residency and income.

But yes, they have a language line to translate just about any language and sometimes it takes quite a while to track down a translator for some obscure dialect, but they do their best to do it. I say pay upfront for that service or bring your own damn translator. Why is it the hospital's responsibility to provide that service for free.

Similar stories are all over public school systems where the districts are OBLIGATED to provide translators for parents to interact with the school. Not cheap stuff when you start throwing those costs around.

I've had some former employees that ONLY spoke english on paydays........

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

Says the only chick on a football board.........See, I can do it too

And I was simply asking as to what capacity you worked with immigrants. So you're not really working with them (or managing them), you're treating them.

Totally different. Not even close. (not to say you havent in the past)

Immigrant: somebody settling in country: a newcomer to a country who has settled there


So if you were born here, you're not an immigrant. Doesn't matter where Grandpappy came from. Again, that argument doesn't really apply.

I beg your pardon, but my original statement was that most of us came from immigration, and you said that was not a stable argument, because it was "generations" ago...I'd like to point out that had it not been for my grandfather getting on a boat and coming here 70 yrs ago, he would not have met my grandmother, birthed my father, who then in turn birthed me. He'd be in Sweden. Not America. I would have never been born. So the argument applies. I AM AN AMERICAN BECAUSE MY GRANDFATHER WAS AN IMMIGRANT. Thank you.

Also, yes we treat a lot of immigrants, and maybe I'm not next to them performing a job, but I can see they are hard working people, but I guess I'm different. I don't look at someone who's not white and automatically think they are less of a person than me, and that they might not be american. In my opinion, that's not the American way.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

What "wild generalizations"??

irishpat183:
See, people in the south don't mind the wide gates as long as the person walks through them legally.

Stop watching MSNBC, and Rick....err....Racheal Maddow, it's rotting your brain. Come down to the south and check it out for yourself.

irishpat183:
Again, another Yank. No clue.

irishpat183:
They're not a big deal in Indy....Try down here in TX. Where we cater to every whim of the spainsh speaking population in fear of "hurting their feelings"

You obviously, like most living in the north, don't deal with this up close and personal.

That's the one thing that bothers me. You have people and politicans up north trying to tell people in the south what they should do about their boarder problems.

It's like me telling you guys how to deal with the ice on your roads.

and here is a new one from me:

You know the one thing that bothers me. You have people and politicians in Tejas trying to tell other states what they should do about their boarder problems. Why don't the Tejanos just worry about themselves and leave the other states alone. After all it is like a whole other country.

 

[irishpat183]

I beg your pardon, but my original statement was that most of us came from immigration, and you said that was not a stable argument, because it was "generations" ago...I'd like to point out that had it not been for my grandfather getting on a boat and coming here 70 yrs ago, he would not have met my grandmother, birthed my father, who then in turn birthed me. He'd be in Sweden. Not America. I would have never been born. So the argument applies. I AM AN AMERICAN BECAUSE MY GRANDFATHER WAS AN IMMIGRANT. Thank you.

Also, yes we treat a lot of immigrants, and maybe I'm not next to them performing a job, but I can see they are hard working people, but I guess I'm different. I don't look at someone who's not white and automatically think they are less of a person than me, and that they might not be american. In my opinion, that's not the American way.

Here we go...... When did I say any of that?

And who cares if we "came from immigration" LOL....What?!?! It's still not a good argument. Yeah, I understand that we all come from someone down the line that immigrated over here (Ireland here)....But what does that have to do with immigration today, in modern times? (taxes, social programs, crime)...Totally different times. I'm simply saying that argument holds no water today when discussing illegal immigrants. So you're 7 degrees of k1ssme1m1r1sh is unnecessary.

 

[irishpat183]

irishpat183:
See, people in the south don't mind the wide gates as long as the person walks through them legally.

Stop watching MSNBC, and Rick....err....Racheal Maddow, it's rotting your brain. Come down to the south and check it out for yourself.

irishpat183:
Again, another Yank. No clue.

irishpat183:
They're not a big deal in Indy....Try down here in TX. Where we cater to every whim of the spainsh speaking population in fear of "hurting their feelings"

You obviously, like most living in the north, don't deal with this up close and personal.

That's the one thing that bothers me. You have people and politicans up north trying to tell people in the south what they should do about their boarder problems.

It's like me telling you guys how to deal with the ice on your roads.

and here is a new one from me:

You know the one thing that bothers me. You have people and politicians in Tejas trying to tell other states what they should do about their boarder problems. Why don't the Tejanos just worry about themselves and leave the other states alone. After all it is like a whole other country.

How are any of those, "wild"

You think most people up north, especially politicans, deal with the kinds of immigration problems we deal with down here? You can honestly say that?

MSNBC does rot your brain...as does Fox news.

The Yanks thing, ok, I'll give you that one. I grew up in DC (born in Tejas, moved to DC when i was 6 months old and moved back to Tejas when I was 14)

And we do cater to the hispanic pop down here. Again, come spend some time in houston. Or run a business down here and deal with all the red tape and legal crap.

And Texas is like a whole other country. Thank you. We take pride in that.

 

[Grahambo]

So much anger today from everybody.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Says the only chick on a football board.........See, I can do it too

And I was simply asking as to what capacity you worked with immigrants. So you're not really working with them (or managing them), you're treating them.

Totally different. Not even close. (not to say you havent in the past)

Immigrant: somebody settling in country: a newcomer to a country who has settled there


So if you were born here, you're not an immigrant. Doesn't matter where Grandpappy came from. Again, that argument doesn't really apply.

I kept out of it til you spread your vitriol onto Kissme.

First of all your words: Immigrant: somebody settling in country: a newcomer to a country who has settled there = The Pilgrims. (and every other Eurpoean setttlement group, ever.)

As far as the immigrant issue I learned everything I needed to know about this trumped up issue in the late '90's, while I was working for EDS on some special projects. We worked right on the Rio Grande, which seperated Juraz from El Paso, and early in the morning we would notice a lot of men, bare foot with their pants hiked up. After a while, well dressed women, professional looking would come down to the edge of the river and obviously converse with the men, climb on their shoulders and ride across the river. After a few days we asked what was up and the people in the office told us those were the women who were Mexican citizens with no Visa who worked in the offices in El Passo, for sub-standard wages. And the men made a living transporting them. I asked one day why imigration wasn't interested and they told me that the majority of those women worked in Federal and State offices.

So the immigration issue is bullshiit, and issue made the people running the show, just like the Irish and African longshoremen were turned against each other in the late ninteenth century. As an aside, I talked to a Cambridge and Oxford educated member of the PIRA and I ask them what they thought of their western bretheren, and they answered not much. They thought the racial bigotry Irish in America (as a subset of American bigotry) was abhorent and intolerable. As they specifically said, "After all, everybody's got their problems."

 

[95NDAlumNM]

And Texas is like a whole other country. Thank you. We take pride in that.

Good then worry about your countries problems and leave America out of it.

Also, I do not need to go to houston to learn about these issues. I am in New Mexico, have worked and ran a constuction company since I can remember. We have been dealing with these "issues" for far longer then anybody in Texas. If anything you should come to Santa Fe and see what your and your descendants future will hold. As hispanics are a majority of the population in this state and that is the way America is going. You seem to be fighting a losing cause (and here is my wild generalization) and people on the right do not seem to understand that America is no longer going to be about old white people.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

What "wild generalizations"??

I'm explaining my own experiences owning and operating a janitorial company. Which is largely comprised of mexican workers.

How are any of those, "wild"

You think most people up north, especially politicans, deal with the kinds of immigration problems we deal with down here? You can honestly say that?

MSNBC does rot your brain...as does Fox news.

The Yanks thing, ok, I'll give you that one. I grew up in DC (born in Tejas, moved to DC when i was 6 months old and moved back to Tejas when I was 14)

And we do cater to the hispanic pop down here. Again, come spend some time in houston. Or run a business down here and deal with all the red tape and legal crap.

And Texas is like a whole other country. Thank you. We take pride in that.

So Pat, you operate a janitorial company comprised mostly of Mexicans? Are they documented? If not, uh oh. If so, do you thank them for being the most cost efficient part of the labor pool? If you hold them in such low regard, why hire them, doesn't that just exacerbate the situation? Why not hire regular white folk to do this work? What's that, you can't find white folk to do this work, so you need to turn to the damn Mexicans? I need some clarity on this.

As far as Texas being like a whole other country... Is that just until you need federal assistance after a natural disaster? Did you tell the Feds to go away when the help in the form of $ and people showed up after your last hurricane? When you do that, I'll buy your argument. Until then, put up or shut up w that crap.

P.S., thanks for engaging in all this discussion in this thread.

 

[gkIrish]

How about submitting someone who has had a GOOD experience with a lawyer? I'll grant you, OJ Simpson probably loved his first round of lawyers. What I find most destructive to our way of life is the fact people cannot really defend themselves and you better have a six figure legal fund on reserve if you want to be able to survive any type of legal entanglement that may come up. And a few years of sick leave as well since our system really doesn't allow anything to be resolved in less than three years.

Last I checked, I am entitled to my opinion. My opinion is that there are WAY too many lawyers on this planet. On average they are leaches. Statistics also show that most lawyers make way less than people think and many end up out of law fairly quickly. Unless you are top quartile at a decent school (or related to a partner at a meaningful firm) you have a huge uphill battle to a positive ROI on your law school investment.

As to the IE participants that are lawyers, I am sure they are exceptions to the rule.

I have good experiences with lawyers every day. So do all of our clients. What does ROI have to do with what kind of people lawyers are? Out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'm pretty sure Full Metal Jacket taught us all what really comes from Texas....

Okay, I tried not to, but I had to do it.

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Yup, just like basic, other than the availability of live ammo, right Grahambo?

And we do cater to the hispanic pop down here. Again, come spend some time in houston. Or run a business down here and deal with all the red tape and legal crap.

Hispanic pop, what exactly is that? What flavor? Is that what ran down . . . never mind.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

So Pat, you operate a janitorial company comprised mostly of Mexicans? Are they documented? If not, uh oh. If so, do you thank them for being the most cost efficient part of the labor pool? If you hold them in such low regard, why hire them, doesn't that just exacerbate the situation? Why not hire regular white folk to do this work? What's that, you can't find white folk to do this work, so you need to turn to the damn Mexicans? I need some clarity on this.

As far as Texas being like a whole other country... Is that just until you need federal assistance after a natural disaster? Did you tell the Feds to go away when the help in the form of $ and people showed up after your last hurricane? When you do that, I'll buy your argument. Until then, put up or shut up w that crap.

P.S., thanks for engaging in all this discussion in this thread.

I am also interested in finding out where along the Canadian border or the Alaskan border with Russia, the imigrationists are interested in building a fence. Oh, their not. That must mean the fence is an effort directed by racists for racists.

Have you ever driven west on I-10 through El Paso, TX? I-10 abuts a drainage ditch on the left, (which is the Rio) as you are westbound, and on the other side is Juarez, Mexico. On the right in the hills are multi-million dollar residences. The homes across the drainage ditch are cardboard shacks reinforced with old pallets and sticks. A few of them have tin roofs. Fewer yet have a lead lamp with extension cord run up a pole for electical service. There is no running water. As this is a football site, this kind of poverty exists within 100 yards of the plenty we have become accustom to. How come nobody is doing anything about this? Even trying to make a difference?

One day when we went to Juarez, to find a few trinkets for the kids, a little boy came up to my window and tried to sell me some real second rate trinkets. Dennis my partner wanted to shoo him off; I motioned to stop. I had seen his grandfather, an older man seated at the curb a few yards away. His blue jean leg was slit to the knee to allow for his swolen lower leg ankle and foot. It was almost black. I pulled out my wallet and gave him everything in it. I only had thirty or forty dollars, because the told us that we shouldn't take too much cash. I was sorry I didn't have more. He didn't understand. He expected a few coins. I closed his hand around the money, and whispered "de nada." He gave me a small trinket, I think a two inch Barney doll, which I have around here somewhere still. His grandfather tried to get up, I waved him off. As we left Dennis, never at a loss for the ability to say just the right thing, groused, "What was his problem?" I took a good whiff of air and smelled that moldy cheese smell you just cannot mistake. I looked at Dennis and said, "Gangrene."

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I am also interested in finding out where along the Canadian border or the Alaskan border with Russia, the imigrationists are interested in building a fence. Oh, their not. That must mean the fence is an effort directed by racists for racists.

Have you ever driven west on I-10 through El Paso, TX. I-10 abuts a drainage ditch on the left as you are westbound, and on the other side is Juarez, Mexico. On the right in the hills are multi-million dollar residences. The homes across the drainage ditch are cardboard shacks reinforced with old pallets and sticks. A few of them have a lead lamp with extension cord run up a pole for electical service. There is no running water. As this is a football site, this kind of poverty exists within 100 yards of the plenty we have become accustom to. How come nobody is doing anything about this? Even trying to make a difference?

One day when we went to Juarez, to find a few trinkets for the kids, a little boy came up to my window and tried to sell me some real second rate trinkets. Dennis my partner wanted to shoo him off; I motioned to stop. I had seen his grandfather, an older man seated at the curb a few yards away. His blue jean leg was slit to the knee to allow for his swolen lower leg ankle and foot. It was almost black. I pulled out my wallet and gave him everything in it. I only had thirty or forty dollars, because the told us that we shouldn't take too much cash. I was sorry I didn't have more. He didn't understand. He expected a few coins. I closed his hand around the money, and whispered "de nada." He gave me a small trinket, I think a two inch Barney doll, which I have around here somewhere still. His grandfather tried to get up, I waved him off. As we left Dennis, never at a loss for the ability to say just the right thing, groused, "What was his problem?" I took a good whiff of air and smelled that moldy cheese smell you just cannot mistake. I looked at Dennis and said, "Gangrene."

Those damn Canucks keep sneaking in and taking all the ice time at the public rinks! And the accent is enough to drive you to drink Labatts.

 

[Grahambo]

Okay, I tried not to, but I had to do it.

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Yup, just like basic, other than the availability of live ammo, right Grahambo?



Hispanic pop, what exactly is that? What flavor? Is that what ran down . . . never mind.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Again, another Yank. No clue.


It's hilarious, really. And "most of us came from immigration"......Come on. How many generations back do you want to take this argument???? LOL. That is the most absurd argument when it comes to immigration.

Do you know 10 immigrants? Cause I know a bunch (I own a janitorial company)

And let me tell you, there isn't 10 hardworkers for every 1 lazy.......

Let me know in what capacity you worked with immigrants. I'm curious.

I work with TONS of immigrants. And what you're saying is complete bullsh!t, and generated by nothing but hate.

i teach students whose parents work jobs that 'Americans' won't work, who work 2-3 jobs so that their children can get a private education, who are 10 times the parents that are raising rich suburban brats who are given every opportunity to succeed and end up being 30 year-old losers smoking weed all day living off of mommy and daddy. These parents that I work with are everything that is right in this country, and your blind hatred is everything that is wrong.

Now, there are problems with the way the border is being handled and there are problems with letting too many immigrants in. And there are definitely immigrants that come here that do NOT contribute to this society. I am personally not blind to those problems. But guess what...there are plenty of white, full-blooded 'Americans' that aren't contributing to society neither, playing video games, eating marijuana mushrooms and eating Ding-Dongs while collecting unemployment and living at home with mommy. F*ck any immigrant not trying to contribute to our society and fu*k every non-immigrant leeching off our government. See, the problem goes a lot deeper than immigrants...

So Pat, you operate a janitorial company comprised mostly of Mexicans? Are they documented? If not, uh oh. If so, do you thank them for being the most cost efficient part of the labor pool? If you hold them in such low regard, why hire them, doesn't that just exacerbate the situation? Why not hire regular white folk to do this work? What's that, you can't find white folk to do this work, so you need to turn to the damn Mexicans? I need some clarity on this.

As far as Texas being like a whole other country... Is that just until you need federal assistance after a natural disaster? Did you tell the Feds to go away when the help in the form of $ and people showed up after your last hurricane? When you do that, I'll buy your argument. Until then, put up or shut up w that crap.

P.S., thanks for engaging in all this discussion in this thread.

Game, set, and match. Awesome. Too bad pat took a leave of absense...interested to hear his response.

 

[Grahambo]

I work with TONS of immigrants. And what you're saying is complete bullsh!t, and generated by nothing but hate.

i teach students whose parents work jobs that 'Americans' won't work, who work 2-3 jobs so that their children can get a private education, who are 10 times the parents that are raising rich suburban brats who are given every opportunity to succeed and end up being 30 year-old losers smoking weed all day living off of mommy and daddy. These parents that I work with are everything that is right in this country, and your blind hatred is everything that is wrong.

Now, there are problems with the way the border is being handled and there are problems with letting too many immigrants in. And there are definitely immigrants that come here that do NOT contribute to this society. I am personally not blind to those problems. But guess what...there are plenty of white, full-blooded 'Americans' that aren't contributing to society neither, playing video games, eating marijuana mushrooms and eating Ding-Dongs while collecting unemployment and living at home with mommy. F*ck and immigrant not trying to contribute to our society and fu*k every non-immigrant leeching off our government. See, the problem goes a lot deeper than immigrants...



Game, set, and match. Awesome. Too bad pat took a leave of absense...interested to hear his response.