Sherm Sticky
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So.....................I hope that Isaac really is a silent commit...
'13 GA DE Isaac Rochell (Notre Dame Signed LOI)
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Me too! I cant believe he could walk away supposedly more impressed this time and more solid on ND and NOT commit! I agree with Philly I can see him waiting till his official but like its already been brought up, I dont think scUM will pay for him to come visit for the Air Force game if they know there is no chance....I hope he pops earlier than the official.
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I apologize for the face palm epic reading comprehension fail. Let's go get Rochell.
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beryirish
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^^^lol it was posted in the thread so I wanted to make a quick clarity comment on it once I got done looking it over....if I'm right just say I'm right...if I'm wrong just say I'm wrong and I will go back to looking at it more closely.
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Here's how I go about it:
- Add the number of freshman, sophomores, and juniors together;
- Subtract that number from 85; then
- Subtract your estimated number of 5Ys.
That gives you the number of spots available for new recruits, assuming no transfers.
In this case, (1) is equal to 60, which means the "magic number"-- incoming recruits + 5Ys-- is 25. We could return as few as 3 or as many as 6 5Ys, which means 19-22 spots for new recruits. To bring in more than that, we'll need to either: (1) bring back even fewer 5Ys; (2) put Roberson on a "medical" scholarship; or (3) lose some current players to transfer.
(1) seems very unlikely to me, (2) seems likely given that our staff wants to take 2 RBs this cycle, and (3) is anyone's guess.
Sherm Sticky
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Cool thanks Whiskey. But, you made one mistake....Eifert has a 5th year of eligibility that you didn't mark.
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He played against Nevada as a Freshman, so he runs out of eligibility after this season. Normally I'd curse Weis for being so short-sighted with yet another star player, but we're lucky to have kept him this long.
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damn you are correct, but if he wanted to he probably would be granted a medical year right?
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That's a good question. Normal medical exceptions are made when a player gets injured very early in the season. In Eifert's case, his back injury predated the Nevada game, and I'm not sure if that was the primary reason he didn't play more as a freshman.
He might be able to make a case for a medical exception, but it definitely wouldn't be guaranteed.
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Wow, good catch. Even the 247 staff seems to think that Eifert has another year of eligibility available; in the signing day aftermath there were a number of posts and articles to that effect (although everyone knows he's gone to the NFL next year regardless).
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I love the numbers crunch topic. The way I see it, every year you are allowed to sign 25 players. There can be more depending on EE's because as you all know they count towards the last years class just stay within your max of 85. Now, in my mind each year you start out saying that you will take 25 as long as they are the right 25. So say we are at 22 commits 2 weeks befor signing day and still have several players on the big board that have your hat on the table. If they are elite or even just guys that you feel fit your team, you save said spots for them. Now it rarely comes to fruition that we take 25, however in my mind I take the kid I want that has the 5 years to do 4 over the kid in his 5th year that has yet to contribute or live up to potential. In that scenario you only save the 5th year kid that is a guaranteed starter rather than reserve player. So far I believe Kelly has really tried to do this, like last year with the class he had, and pursuing the Armsteads and getting Carlisle and still waiting out announcements etc. I'm telling y'all if we start hitting double digit wins year in and year out, this will be the norm come signing day each year. Alrighty then.
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That sounds like 'Bama's philosophy. 25 per year puts you 15 over the max of 85 after 4 years. Then 15 underperformers get pushed to transfer or suffer a mysterious career ending injury.
As far as the numbers game goes, EEs only help a program get around the 25-per-class limit. It's irrelevant to the 85-per-program limit.
We have to be willing to boot 3-4 kids every year for that to happen. We'd probably perform better on the field as a result, but (1) we'd be no better than the football factories in that regard; and (2) we'd lose an important recruiting edge in the process (de facto 4-year scholarships).
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All good points and I'll admit it is harsh, but the fact is kids get hurt and kids transfer. When you are a head coach you have to have a little protection or cushion if you will, in you back pocket for those instances. Out of curiousity, how many players have left ND early to the draft, been injured, kicked out of school, or transferred in the past 4 years. I'm guess close to 15, the number you said we would have to force out. Attrition takes care of this problem. I greatly do respect what you are saying though Whisky, I just view it a little differently.
We have to be willing to boot 3-4 kids every year for that to happen. We'd probably perform better on the field as a result, but (1) we'd be no better than the football factories in that regard; and (2) we'd lose an important recruiting edge in the process (de facto 4-year scholarships).[/QUOTE]
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I think that Eifert already got that year back.
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I think the real difference here is whether you take 25 regardless of, or in response to, attrition. Doing it regardless of attrition would be pretty unethical, as it would frequently require ND to force kids out. Taking 25+ after attrition is perfectly legitimate, and has happened in the past.
Unless he's already applied for and been granted a medical exception, I don't think so.
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It's a double edged sword because the law of averages shows that it's gonna happen only you don't know when. But I really do appreciate your stand on this because thats what makes me a fan. This school does things differently and it shows. It's just my take on the scholarship count though and what I think it will take to become and stay a top shelf program(wins) again.
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Things are looking extremely good to say the least per ii. Could be anyday
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GK is about to make dat' money, mayne...
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I still don't think he does it
yankeeND
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That is great! Sorry I was off topic, this is what I should have been talking about in Isaac's thread!
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Me neither.......btw, I'm the 3rd gunman on the grassy knoll.
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Maybe your nose is better than mine. Being that he has not verbally committed and therefore is not 100% I can't say that anything could possibly stink. Issac has not flipped after every visit, that stability suggests that he is approaching his recruitment from a very rational, calculated perspective. He has maintained that ND is his leader consistently and has made the long trek to South Bend twice (to my knowledge) His comments indicate that he continues to learn more about ND and the other contenders and that he is impressed with everything he has learned. (about ND) This young man seems to be a prototypical straight shooter who isn't going to lose his head and give an oral commit until he is certain. He still could commit elsewhere and to me that does not "stink". All we can expect of these young men is that they weigh the pros and cons of all the schools offering and when they are certain, commit verbally.
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The literal stench I smell isn't present.
The stink I was referring to, metaphorically, is there's something not quite right yet.
Maybe it's him.
Don't get hung up on the small stuff. Or do. I could care less. But metaphors are an accepted form of expression.
Cheerio!
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Per II, Rochell's dad says a commitment will come in October or November. Family was impressed with the small campus, Kelly, Swarbrick, and the graduation rate.
Pretty standard comments but the article paints the family in a very good and supportive light.
Pretty standard comments but the article paints the family in a very good and supportive light.
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Four to five months is a loooong time to stay out in front. I have faith in the staff, but it ain't gonna be easy, especially once other targets start to fall off other team's boards.