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what are peoples opinions on the possibility that a solar storm could potentially kill the worlds power grids as an X-flare had occured on the sun and with that comes the possibility that all electronics would cease to function i happened in Quebec in 1989 and the power throughout Quebec was off for a period of 9 hours any opinions on this subject and what do u think are the chances that this could happen tomorrow as a result of the large solar storm that recently occured on the sun.
 
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what are peoples opinions on the possibility that a solar storm could potentially kill the worlds power grids as an X-flare had occured on the sun and with that comes the possibility that all electronics would cease to function i happened in Quebec in 1989 and the power throughout Quebec was off for a period of 9 hours any opinions on this subject and what do u think are the chances that this could happen tomorrow as a result of the large solar storm that recently occured on the sun.

Coronal mass ejection: do it.

We should not fret about those things we cannot control.
 

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also the size of the solar storm is bigger than the earth itself
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it's about 66,000 miles is what is being estimated by nasa
 

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if a direct hit were to occur 5-10% chance it would take about 1-2 years for transformers to be replaced and get the grid back up and running which would suck not to have power for that amount of time as there would be no methods of transportation and chaos as the government would have any ways to communicate with the citizens of the united states or the world itself
 

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Punctuation is your friend.

As for Solar Flares... I'm thinking there are more pressing concerns to get worried about that. That being said, any new additions to the grid should be hardened against this sort of thing.
 

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if a direct hit were to occur 5-10% chance it would take about 1-2 years for transformers to be replaced and get the grid back up and running which would suck not to have power for that amount of time as there would be no methods of transportation and chaos as the government would have any ways to communicate with the citizens of the united states or the world itself

REVOLUTION!!!!
 

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I suppose that people are aware that

1). the E-flux of the recent solar storm passed us by last week [civilization did not end]; and,
2). we had a larger flare last August [civilization did not end].

Most of the main electronic land-based systems of the planet are significantly "hardened" against solar fluxes [a procedure which started in the military way back circa Korean War time, using data from dedicated facilities like the High Altitude Observatory in Boulder to predict timing and strength of the "incoming".]

What is vulnerable are not land-based systems, but anything which depends upon satellite communications. The power-grid business is, in my opinion, just a red herring. The famous Quebec-to-East Coast black-out was not caused by Solar Activity, but bad designs and Human errors.[ as usual]. But, things like GPS, TV, phones, air-coordination, etc --- yes, those could be in theory more vulnerable to a really big one.

On re-reading this, I realize that I've written a little too simplistically. Obviously, since the solar storm DID begin a sequence of events which caused the 1989 Quebec failure, I should admit that. But what followed the geomagnetic storm was largely our own short-sightedness. The Quebec system rests literally upon igneous rock [various quartz-containers etc] and is the worst bedrock upon which to sit a power station, because a geomagnetic storm's electrically-induced land currents will not readily be dissipated by such stone. Therefore the earth-currents "hang around" and do more damage.

The damage is due to them setting up inside the power grid equipment what are called "harmonic currents" [temporary electrical fluxes which can have wave-additive "peaks" which can overload certain capacitors or transformers causing shut-downs or burn-outs.] There are ways to avoid this phenomenon, and the first flux through the Quebec system WAS avoided by adjustments by on-duty personnel. The second was not [it happened several hours later]. Whether that was human-error simply, I do not know. Either way, the design is/was flawed. The monitoring/control/ current deflection protection measures were set too low and this seems to be fixed.

Big electrical systems have a lot at stake in not letting such things go on. The "hardening" talked about involves the current-shunting measures, the type of sensors and responders, and the "toughness" of things like the transformers, as well of things that I am not aware of, doubtlessly.

This problem diminishes rapidly as you get away from high latitudes where the solar E-fluxes are far stronger. It is nearly inconceivable that a southern power grid would ever get enough EM-pulse earth-current-generation to cause system shutdowns.
 
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johnnykillz

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So when will the zombie hoard reach full maturation?

That's my concern...
 
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Cackalacky

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I'd be more concerned with the negative feedback loop caused by increased carbon dioxide concentrations in our atmosphere or the increasing lack of potable water.
 

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Personally i think the continuing problems with pollination leading to sharp declines in food production would be a bigger threat. Heck everybody knows the best protection against solar flares is a tin foil hat.
 
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Would one of these things clarify the QB situation? If I can't watch ND games, I'm gonna be pissed.
 

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For some it is said that wearing a tinfoil hat clarifies everything.

"Solar Storms avoid him due to the magnetism of his personality. He is the most interesting man in Maine."

"I don't always show off, but when I do it is with Solar Flare. Stay thirsty my friends".
 

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I hope something happens, really putting a lot of my eggs in the erase-student-debt basket.

Also JK, when the Zombies make their move, I am moving to wherever Veer is. Dude has mad firearms.
 
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johnnykillz

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I hope something happens, really putting a lot of my eggs in the erase-student-debt basket.

Also JK, when the Zombies make their move, I am moving to wherever Veer is. Dude has mad firearms.

I got a mad scheme with student loan debt too.

The solar flare possibility is huge though, in erasing everything from student loan debt to increased zombie hoard maturation.

Veer has guns for sure.

But land mines: does he have land mines? Or auto guns? ;)
 
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If this erasure of student loan debt is real, is it too late for me to retroactively convert all the bucks (definitely NOT the v type) I spent getting my son through college to solar flare "forgiven" loans?

I think I could find a use for the 160K ... and can I get the 9K in grants per semester deposited directly to his credit union account?
 
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For some it is said that wearing a tinfoil hat clarifies everything.

"Solar Storms avoid him due to the magnetism of his personality. He is the most interesting man in Maine."

"I don't always show off, but when I do it is with Solar Flare. Stay thirsty my friends".

Reps.
 

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I suppose that people are aware that

1). the E-flux of the recent solar storm passed us by last week [civilization did not end]; and,
2). we had a larger flare last August [civilization did not end].

Most of the main electronic land-based systems of the planet are significantly "hardened" against solar fluxes [a procedure which started in the military way back circa Korean War time, using data from dedicated facilities like the High Altitude Observatory in Boulder to predict timing and strength of the "incoming".]

What is vulnerable are not land-based systems, but anything which depends upon satellite communications. The power-grid business is, in my opinion, just a red herring. The famous Quebec-to-East Coast black-out was not caused by Solar Activity, but bad designs and Human errors.[ as usual]. But, things like GPS, TV, phones, air-coordination, etc --- yes, those could be in theory more vulnerable to a really big one.

On re-reading this, I realize that I've written a little too simplistically. Obviously, since the solar storm DID begin a sequence of events which caused the 1989 Quebec failure, I should admit that. But what followed the geomagnetic storm was largely our own short-sightedness. The Quebec system rests literally upon igneous rock [various quartz-containers etc] and is the worst bedrock upon which to sit a power station, because a geomagnetic storm's electrically-induced land currents will not readily be dissipated by such stone. Therefore the earth-currents "hang around" and do more damage.

The damage is due to them setting up inside the power grid equipment what are called "harmonic currents" [temporary electrical fluxes which can have wave-additive "peaks" which can overload certain capacitors or transformers causing shut-downs or burn-outs.] There are ways to avoid this phenomenon, and the first flux through the Quebec system WAS avoided by adjustments by on-duty personnel. The second was not [it happened several hours later]. Whether that was human-error simply, I do not know. Either way, the design is/was flawed. The monitoring/control/ current deflection protection measures were set too low and this seems to be fixed.

Big electrical systems have a lot at stake in not letting such things go on. The "hardening" talked about involves the current-shunting measures, the type of sensors and responders, and the "toughness" of things like the transformers, as well of things that I am not aware of, doubtlessly.

This problem diminishes rapidly as you get away from high latitudes where the solar E-fluxes are far stronger. It is nearly inconceivable that a southern power grid would ever get enough EM-pulse earth-current-generation to cause system shutdowns.



You mean I've been wearing this stuff for nothing?

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