Would Notre Dame accept?

[schuec]

Hey guys I know these bowl projections can change on a weekly basis, but I am just wondering what some people thought of this. Scouts has us going to the little Caesars bowl to play Central Michigan. Do you think ND would accept this bowl bid or turn it down? Definitely not a great bowl, and that Central offense is very dangerous with Dan Lefevour at the qb. Thoughts?

Scout.com: 2009-2010 Bowl Projections

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

The only time we did not accept (since we started going to bowls) was when the Seniors voted to not go to the Independence Bowl in 1996.

It was the players who voted though, not the "school"

 

[IHateMarkMay]

My thoughts are that there would be too little to gain and too much to lose. Think about what the people would say if we lost to CMU?

 

[JefMaj]

Do we get pizza pizza????

 

[schuec]

Living about an hour away from Detroit, I would go support me team, however CMU is scary, and I agree not a lot to gain, and the world to lose here.

 

[phork]

I would never turn down a bowl bid. But CMU would be a bad mismatch.

 

[GaviND]

From what I have read, we're int he middle of negotiating a new contract with our bowl alliances so there is only a slim possibility that we would turn anything down.

I am surprised the Hawai'i Bowl would not want us back, but then again, we're not recruiting a stud linebacker from the state either...

 

[Junkhead]

We suck, but being scared of Central Michigan would be a new low. Take what they get and win it.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Losing to CMU wouldn't really be embarrassing considering everything thats going on with the program.

 

[HawaiianIrish]

Did somebody say Hawaii Bowl

 

[schuec]

Losing would be embarrassing, but not more than loses at home to UCONN and Navy. CMU has already beaten a MSU team in East Lansing, and is a solid team.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

The last thing this team and school needs is a bowl loss with Charlie already out the door. Close the curtain (sadly) next Saturday. Start fresh with a new coach shortly thereafter and regroup for 2010.

 

[BeatSC]

The last thing this team and school needs is a bowl loss with Charlie already out the door. Close the curtain (sadly) next Saturday. Start fresh with a new coach shortly thereafter and regroup for 2010.

We should hold out for the Papa John Bowl or worst case Pizza Hut. Little Ceasars pizza sucks!

 

[IHateMarkMay]

We should hold out for the Papa John Bowl or worst case Pizza Hut. Little Ceasars pizza sucks!

Naa just very inconsistant. Half the time they suck, the other half they are amazing. And the crazy bread is normally pretty damn solid if you ask me.

 

[BeatSC]

Naa just very inconsistant. Half the time they suck, the other half they are amazing. And the crazy bread is normally pretty damn solid if you ask me.

It must be the location. Here is SoCal we don't have too many of left. Pizza Loca has taken over. Remember we're near the border not Greece out here.

 

[IrishFanForLife]

I wouldn't find losing to cmu that embarrassing. They have quite possibly the most underrated player in the country. Put him in that florida spread and he'd be putting up number pretty comparable to tebow imo

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Naa just very inconsistant. Half the time they suck, the other half they are amazing. And the crazy bread is normally pretty damn solid if you ask me.

Crazy Bread has sucked since the late 90's. It used to be big hunks of soggy bread drenched in garlic butter and parmesan. Now they are glorified breadsticks.

Worked at a movie theatre in high school. Cheap date was free movie and go out for an order of crazy bread after. I was elbow deep in the P.

 

[Flyin_Irish]

Losing would be embarrassing, but not more than loses at home to UCONN and Navy. CMU has already beaten a MSU team in East Lansing, and is a solid team.

Sorry, losing to a MAC team would be a new low, even for Charlie (although he probably won't be coaching in the bowl game anyway). That said, turning down a bowl game for fear of losing to a MAC team is even lower.

 

[BGIF]

The only time we did not accept (since we started going to bowls) was when the Seniors voted to not go to the Independence Bowl in 1996.

It was the players who voted though, not the "school"

I don't believe '96 was the only year ND teams chose not to go to a bowl but it may be semantics over not accepting a particular bowl invite as opposed to any not accepting any bowl invite.

ND did not go to a bowl in '71 after a 8-2 season under Ara.
ND did not go to a bowl in '75 after a 8-3 season under Devine.
ND did not go to a bowl in '79 after a 7-4 season under Devine.
ND did not go to a bowl in '96 after a 8-3 season under Holtz.

After the 1925 Rose Bowl win the ND Administration decided not to participate in bowl games as they were exhibition games and interfered with final exams. For 45 years ND didn't participate in bowl games. In the '60 the polls started including the bowl games in the final poll which ranked the National Champions. Parshegian made the case to the Administration that ND had to compete in the bowl process or could go undefeated and be left out of the Championship rating after the bowl season. The goal was to face the highest ranked opponent.

Following the '69 season #9 ND went to the Cotton Bowl to face the#1 Longhorns. The next year ND lost the season closer to LSU and fell out of the Top 10. Despite a 8-2 season they chose not to go to any bowl that year.

In Devine's first year ND went 8-3 falling out of the Top 10 in the next to last game of the season to PIT and stayed home at bowl time. In '79 ND lost 2 of the last 3 including a rout by unranked Tennessee and again ND stayed home despite a 7-4 record.

ND was 8-3 in '96 but Holtz had resigned.

All those seasons were good enough to go to some bowl. Initially ND only considered the major bowls and a chance to move up in the ranking through playing a higher ranked opponent. In '83 an unranked 6-5 ND team went to the Liberty Bowl and knocked off #13 BC. In '84 the 17th ranked Irish (7-4) lost to #10 SMU in the Aloha Bowl.

In Davie's first year '97 an unranked 7-5 ND got beaten by 15th ranked LSU avenging a regular ND win.

By then the conferences had contracts with many of the bowls and ND's options were severely restricted. Teams playing in bowls also got the advantage of additional practice sessions in December. Bowl games also gave teams more media time which kept them in the front of recruits.

 

[NDMontana]

I don't think ND should take a bowl bid. If it's inevitable that the players or school or whom ever the powers-that-be should accept a bowl game, I would think Detroit would make a lot of sense from a few standpoints.

1. Yes, it would be the Little Casears Bowl but it would still be sweet to go into Michigan's back yard and throw up the big feck you as they sit at home playing video games.
2. The money made from the bowl would, as opposed to flying the entire team and staff out to Hawai'i, be a much more profitable venture for the school.
3. Tying back to two, close to home, more fan support.
4. It would be nice for the seniors to have a shot--albeit not a guaranteed shot--to win two bowl games. Yes, I've argued that beating the fourth place team in the WAC or possibly CMU this year aren't wins you can hang your hat on, but when was the last time ND had a class that could say they won two bowl games.

Those are the reasons, as I see it, for accepting a bid to bowl. But the team is going to be in transition, I want the assistant coaches away from the players so as to avoid poisoning them or convincing them to transfer and one has to ponder whether you're going to get max effort from guys like Golden, Jimmy, Sam Young, etc., who have the NFL Draft staring them in the eyes. There's no glory in beating CMU and going out 8-5 or 7-6 or possibly 6-7.

 

[NDMontana]

Off topic, I know, but I have to vent: I'm so sick of ridiculous articles popping up all over the internet. These websites like Bleacher Report are so ridiculous because they have a group of contributors masquerading as journalists when in fact they are nothing more than opinion givers. It wouldn't be a big issue except there are throng of morons who read this crap and buy into it. Here's a few links to some laughers:

Clausen likely to leave Notre Dame with Weis | Irish Sport | IrishCentral

Okay, I don't argue that Clausen is going pro, but I love the assertion that "Dane Crist will miss the remainder of this season and possibly next year as well". Okay, Dane is obviously out for this season but, lets do the math, worst case scenario was 8 months. Um....that's August (which doesn't constitute next season). Just another article trying to point out why ND will be mediocre.

How about this little gem: Notre Dame stuck with Weis, and that may not be all bad | dame, notre, year - Sports - YumaSun

I love it. The guy goes out of his way to say he's not going to make fat jokes but encourages people to do it on their own. If you're not going to make a fat joke because of journalistic integrity why even mention it at all? Next is the assertion that team hasn't sniffed glory in nearly three decades. Hmmm....1988 was 21 years ago (so that's about two decades) and the 1993 team finished third in the rankings, the 1995 team finished 11th (that was 13 years ago). Seriously, how transparent is it that the so-called media is full of morons who no longer report factual evidence but provide opinions and contrived facts??

How about this golden nugget: Charlie Weis: The 'Great White Hype' faces his final curtain call at Notre Dame

Not only does this idiot pull out the Ty Willingham race card again and of course doesn't mention that, in 2005, Weis had an abundance of Davie's recruits as well or, of course, he never brings up Washington. Shocker. As the article continues, he says that CW is no better than the people at AIG. Yeah, except CW's running a wildly profitable, private organization that isn't eligible for tax payer contributions. Then, he goes on to talk about how Weis was a big failure that "set the program back". Right, Tyrone Willingham had how many Top 10 recruiting classes again? How many pep rallies did he have in which former players came back and were excited to be there? Oh....I get it....these things never happend because Willingham was black. Yes, even the former African-American players from ND are racist. I guess those five star African-American (or white for that matter) recruits that Willingham never brought in were racist too.

I'm just getting more and more pissed but you all get the point. It's open season at Notre Dame. And it's humorous that a guy writing for the Yuma Sun is writing an article about ND and saying that they haven't been relevant for three decades. Way to disprove your point, moron.

 

[schuec]

If by the grace of god, everyone shows up saturday and we win, we wouldn't have to worry about the pizza pizza bowl. But then where do we go?

 

[Catsudon]

montana: agree with you that we should take pizza bowl despite the horrible name of the bowl.

also, thanks for letting me know what sites to avoid.

 

[DKSchrute]

Lou Holtz actually made a very good point pertaining to Michigan in "final verdict" - had they won and become bowl eligible, that is 15 extra practices.

The same should apply to ND.

I know everything sucks right now but think about next year. Michigan is done. They are back in class and no practice. ND can practice for the next 2 months and play another game.

No matter how indirect, Id take any edge on a big opponent for next year, early in the season, that I can get!!

 

[theShark]

I don't want to see them in this game, don't trustthem in any bowl not to get upset with the overflowing emotion and instability present right now.

But the seniors deserve to have one more shot at good memories and some glory, even if it is against CMU. Facing fats, that is about the level of team we are as well. I love this team, but we can't knock off a WVU or Miami or any other previously speculated bowl match-up

 

[WaveDomer]

We suck, but being scared of Central Michigan would be a new low. Take what they get and win it.

Seriously. I mean Central Michigan is no CT.

 

[phork]

CMU is better than UConn. Don't expect a W in that game. On some of the sports talk radio around Detroit they are announcing that ND is talking to the LittleCaesars people already.

 

[irish4ever]

My thoughts are that there would be too little to gain and too much to lose. Think about what the people would say if we lost to CMU?

What would they have to lose?!? Even losing to Stanford and to a team in a low level bowl game would cause them to look worse than they do now?!?!? They're at the BOTTOM OF THE BARREL NOW losing to an INFERIOR team AT HOME ON SENIOR DAY FOR THE 2ND DAMN YEAR IN A ROW!!! They're a ".500 team", year in and year out now! How can they go lower than that?!?!?!

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Look athow much much shit is written when big ten teams lose to MAC teams. UM in their 3-9 season took flak when they lost to Toledo. It'd be a writers dream if CMU beat ND.

 

[free bird]

But if Notre Dame turns it down, Notre Dame will look like a bunch of pansies who are too scared to play a MAC. Or too arrogant.

But who knows, the press will have a fun time with it regardless.