Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[ThePiombino]

We need to make a move this year. We literally have the #1 potential open job in the country now that Herman is going to Texas. Who knows what will happen next year? Maybe Stoops retires or moves on. Saban may retire. Jimbo may move on from FSU. We risk taking a back seat to 3-4 other programs. Herman is gone but now we have our pick of the entire country.

As someone said, Fleck is the worst we could do. Maybe Urban does want to go for a third title at a different school (especially if OSU loses today). Schiano would be a quality upgrade. If Colorado wins the Pac-12 I would seriously consider Macyntire. Etc. Etc. We need a fresh start next year.

Not to mention LSU next year once they realize WTF they just did.

 

[irishff1014]

We need to make a move this year. We literally have the #1 potential open job in the country now that Herman is going to Texas. Who knows what will happen next year? Maybe Stoops retires or moves on. Saban may retire. Jimbo may move on from FSU. We risk taking a back seat to 3-4 other programs. Herman is gone but now we have our pick of the entire country.

As someone said, Fleck is the worst we could do. Maybe Urban does want to go for a third title at a different school (especially if OSU loses today). Schiano would be a quality upgrade. If Colorado wins the Pac-12 I would seriously consider Macyntire. Etc. Etc. We need a fresh start next year.

Again In your opinion. Again in your opinion. If you think Urban or Saban are coming here you have gone completely stupid.

 

[greyhammer90]

Again In your opinion.

No shit Sherlock.

 

[GATTACA!]

We need to make a move this year. We literally have the #1 potential open job in the country now that Herman is going to Texas. Who knows what will happen next year? Maybe Stoops retires or moves on. Saban may retire. Jimbo may move on from FSU. We risk taking a back seat to 3-4 other programs. Herman is gone but now we have our pick of the entire country.

As someone said, Fleck is the worst we could do. Maybe Urban does want to go for a third title at a different school (especially if OSU loses today). Schiano would be a quality upgrade. If Colorado wins the Pac-12 I would seriously consider Macyntire. Etc. Etc. We need a fresh start next year.

We can't hire him just based on the amount of people (including me) that will constantly butcher his name.

No shit Sherlock.

In your opinion.

 

[ThePiombino]

We can't hire him just based on the amount of people (including me) that will constantly butcher his name.

Sooooooo it's not Macy-n-tire?

 

[gkIrish]

Again In your opinion. Again in your opinion. If you think Urban or Saban are coming here you have gone completely stupid.

Your reading comprehension needs some work. In my opinion.

Where did I even mention Saban as a candidate in my post?

 

[gkIrish]

Sooooooo it's not Macy-n-tire?

Apparently it's MacIntyre

 

[Kingbish01]

Are you guys being serious about MacIntyre?? He's had 2 good years in his whole life. With this thinking, I'm surprised we weren't calling for Mark Mangino after is 1 good year at Kansas.

 

[nsisk157]

Are you guys being serious about MacIntyre?? He's had 2 good years in his whole life. With this thinking, I'm surprised we weren't calling for Mark Mangino after is 1 good year at Kansas.

I think the appeal, for some, with MacIntyre is that fact that he took San Jose State from 1-12 to a 10-2 team and then took a poor Colorado team to where they are now...

 

[gkIrish]

Are you guys being serious about MacIntyre?? He's had 2 good years in his whole life. With this thinking, I'm surprised we weren't calling for Mark Mangino after is 1 good year at Kansas.

Winning the Pac 12 would surpass anything Brian Kelly did prior to becoming our coach. Is he the best candidate? No. We are just spitballing.

 

[Kingbish01]

I think the appeal, for some, with MacIntyre is that fact that he took San Jose State from 1-12 to a 10-2 team and then took a poor Colorado team to where they are now...

No more impressive than what BK did at Cincy and ND...or what Charlie did at ND.

 

[greyhammer90]

Winning the Pac 12 would surpass anything Brian Kelly did prior to becoming our coach. Is he the best candidate? No. We are just spitballing.

Totally putting aside the question of "should we move on":
I'm going to be pretty disappointed if, after all the ND fans I've listened to saying that we will pull a top name if we go looking for a coach, we get a coach that is the caliber of what's being bandied about on this thread.

 

[gkIrish]

Totally putting aside the question of "should we move on":
I'm going to be pretty disappointed if, after all the ND fans I've listened to saying that we will pull a top name if we go looking for a coach, we get a coach that is the caliber of what's being banded about on this thread.

The reality is that there are basically no "sure things" available out there. That doesn't mean you don't fire BK.

 

[nsisk157]

No more impressive than what BK did at Cincy and ND...or what Charlie did at ND.

Kelly inherited a 8-5 team from D'Antonio, so it was not a complete rebuild.

Not going to argue Charlie. You obviously aren't a fan of the guy, I am indifferent... not need to debate it.

I am pro-keep Kelly, unless we can snag Peterson (or Saban/Meyer)

 

[greyhammer90]

The reality is that there are basically no "sure things" available out there. That doesn't mean you don't fire BK.

I said putting aside that question. My statement existed in a universe where ND has already pulled that trigger.

 

[gkIrish]

I said putting aside that question. My statement existed in a universe where ND has already pulled that trigger.

Right...I'm saying there is no sexy candidate anymore now that Herman is gone so you are inevitably going to be disappointed if we make a move.

 

[irishandy]

Charlie Strong is my #1 candidate for the D.C. To all the Kelly haters out there, hate to burst your bubble, but he'll probably be here next year...get over it and move on.

 

[IrishLax]

I dunno, according to LAX there are a # of impressive candidates who would take the job if offered and Fleck would have been at the bottom of that list. So who knows...

No, I'm not saying there is a list of 10 guys who would for sure take the job. I'm saying that it only takes one guy, and the myth that coaches aren't interested in this job isn't true. So if you have 10 legitimate candidates that are interested, all it takes is one to pull the trigger. And Fleck is a 100% stone cold lock if we wanted him, that I firmly believe. That's your safety net if you were to move on from BK tomorrow. And if you're looking for someone more proven, I'm pretty darn sure from what I've heard that Dantonio is extremely interested. That's your "floor"... some might prefer BK those two, I don't.

The truth is that this is a good year to be looking. There are zero other Tier 1 jobs open this year. ZERO. Texas is filled, LSU is filled.

I don't buy stuff in that previous post about Stoops/Saban/Meyer/etc. because I haven't heard a peep about any of them at this point. But I will say that every year there seems to be a "WTF?!?" coaching movie... like Gary Andersen to Oregon State, Bronco Mendenhall to UVA, and on and on. No one thought there was a chance Petersen would leave for a job like Washington... but then they did, and now they're 11-1.

So you don't know who you're going to get until you start looking. And if the "floor" is PJ Fleck, I see no reason not to start first thing tomorrow morning.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Realistically, do people think Brian Kelly will be done after the season?

 

[gkIrish]

Realistically, do people think Brian Kelly will be done after the season?

It's really hard to say. I think getting blown out today could be a tipping point.

 

[irishandy]

Realistically, do people think Brian Kelly will be done after the season?

No, I don't think so. Let him redeem himself. If he has a bad season next year, things could change. I think who he brings in as the D.C. could decide his fate here at ND.

 

[IrishLax]

Realistically, do people think Brian Kelly will be done after the season?

I think a win might save his job... but I'm leaning towards him being gone from recent buzz.

 

[anarin]

Realistically, do people think Brian Kelly will be done after the season?

1 bad season? No

Now if this was next season.. Yes

 

[irishandy]

I think a win might save his job... but I'm leaning towards him being gone from recent buzz.

Who is on ND's list to replace him...based off "recent buzz?"

 

[gkIrish]

1 bad season? No

Now if this was next season.. Yes

You consider 7-5 and 8-4 good seasons?

 

[tko]

No, I don't think so. Let him redeem himself. If he has a bad season next year, things could change. I think who he brings in as the D.C. could decide his fate here at ND.

Wonder if Jackie boy is going to demand the powers that be bring in the DC? Also, wonder if he demands a S&C change? I feel like if Kelly were to stay, some of his power would be reduced in order for the University to attempt to ensure success. The buddy system is clearly failing in Kelly's case.

 

[calvegas04]

Are you guys being serious about MacIntyre?? He's had 2 good years in his whole life. With this thinking, I'm surprised we weren't calling for Mark Mangino after is 1 good year at Kansas.

If people are serious about mullen then why not him?

 

[tko]

I'm sorry, what has Dan Mullen done in college football in the last 10 years to deserve a shot at ND?

 

[Wild Bill]

Serious question: Why? We were a contender literally one year ago, with him on the sidelines. This year we had a young team with a bad fit at DC and got off to a bad start we could never quite pull ourselves out of. All of that is very fixable.
At this point I'm not opposed to making a change. I think Kelly may be burned out on the job. But I also think he can turn it around. Especially with a few changes to the coaching staff. We should have a high bar for replacing him.

The bad fit D coordinator was his own fault for not making a move earlier. It was fixable in the offseason and he looked the other way. IMO, he's done the same thing with a few members of the staff, namely Luongo and Booker. Like others have already mentioned, he's made questionable decisions lately. I'd like to know more about the process he uses to grade or evaluate his staff but he seems to take a really long time to make changes.

I don't believe his offensive system is built for college success, specifically the running game. There's just too much lateral movement in the run game and not enough getting downhill. That type of running leads to no yards or negative yards far too often and then we have to rely on chunk yardage plays to keep drives moving forward. I believe the mere system, not the execution, is why we see offensive inconsistency. I prefer a system that relies more on downhill running and positive plays to create third and manageable situations. It makes it much easier to have a consistent offense. I'm not suggesting we play "man ball". I'd be fine with winging it, provided we run straight forward when it's not getting aired out.

The schedule was manageable this year. If great coach or even a really good coach was on our sidelines, we could be undefeated. That has really frustrated me. Arguably, we've had more talent than anyone on the schedule this year yet we've come up a possession short more often than not. That's on kelly, whether he hasn't developed the talent, made poor decisions regarding his staff, hasn't installed the proper game plans, hasn't made correct in game decisions, hasn't motivated his team to "want it more" than their opponent or some combination of all that I've mentioned (and I think it's easy to argue he's done all of these).

I respect Kelly for what he did for the program and he's going to leave the cupboard relatively full for the next staff. I hope he lands on his feet. For the reasons stated above, I think it's time for a change.

 

[irishandy]

Wonder if Jackie boy is going to demand the powers that be bring in the DC? Also, wonder if he demands a S&C change? I feel like if Kelly were to stay, some of his power would be reduced in order for the University to attempt to ensure success. The buddy system is clearly failing in Kelly's case.

I can agree with you to reduce Kelly's power moving forward.