Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[kmoose]

That statement is outdated therefore irrelevant. The situation got far worse after that statement, rumors swirled about Kelly looking elsewhere, recruits are flat out asking coaches who is going to be around next year.

A statement takes little effort and ends all of this. If Swarbrick thinks that October statement is helping things, he is completely out of touch.

That's fair enough. So Swarbrick issues a statement today, Dec. 2. Over the course of the month, we have a decommit from a recruit and a bunch more speculation comes up that Kelly will be gone. So Swarbrick now has to issue another statement in January, and then one in February, and then one in March? By your logic, where does it end?

 

[GowerND11]

That's fair enough. So Swarbrick issues a statement today, Dec. 2. Over the course of the month, we have a decommit from a recruit and a bunch more speculation comes up that Kelly will be gone. So Swarbrick now has to issue another statement in January, and then one in February, and then one in March? By your logic, where does it end?

Or you know, the season is over so it's time to do a total evaluation like an AD should. Things have changed since October, but don't be so obtuse and use that argument that he will need to issue one every month. Whatever he says now is final for next season. Don't be an ass just to be an ass.

 

[NDRock]

That's fair enough. So Swarbrick issues a statement today, Dec. 2. Over the course of the month, we have a decommit from a recruit and a bunch more speculation comes up that Kelly will be gone. So Swarbrick now has to issue another statement in January, and then one in February, and then one in March? By your logic, where does it end?

I'd be very surprised if we don't get another statement from ND regarding Kelly.

 

[gkIrish]

Or you know, the season is over so it's time to do a total evaluation like an AD should. Things have changed since October, but don't be so obtuse and use that argument that he will need to issue one every month. Whatever he says now is final for next season. Don't be an ass just to be an ass.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Need to source this

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2016/11/greg_schiano_and_oregon_the_du.html

sorry about that.

EDIT: Just saw this one as well..

Coaching carousel: Oregon looking at P.J. Fleck, Greg Schiano

 

[mango4]

Looks like Oregon is wanting to take a peak at Schiano.

Western Michigan blogs seem to think Purdue for Fleck

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not declaring it "done" yet but Jeff Brohm to Purdue is doneish(is that a word). Press conference Monday I'm hearing</p>— Dan Dakich (@dandakich) <a href="https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/804693483655221248">December 2, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not declaring it "done" yet but Jeff Brohm to Purdue is doneish(is that a word). Press conference Monday I'm hearing</p>— Dan Dakich (@dandakich) <a href="https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/804693483655221248">December 2, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hope is still alive! nice work mango

 

[kmoose]

Or you know, the season is over so it's time to do a total evaluation like an AD should. Things have changed since October, but don't be so obtuse and use that argument that he will need to issue one every month. Whatever he says now is final for next season. Don't be an ass just to be an ass.

Don't be obtuse? The guy just said, a month and a half ago, that Kelly would be the coach for 2017. If "things have changed" is the benchmark, then you wouldn't consider a decomit and a bunch more "what is Kelly's future" speculation in the media to be things that have changed?

 

[NDRock]

Don't be obtuse? The guy just said, a month and a half ago, that Kelly would be the coach for 2017. If "things have changed" is the benchmark, then you wouldn't consider a decomit and a bunch more "what is Kelly's future" speculation in the media to be things that have changed?

So you don't think there will be another statement by Jack/ND?

 

[PANDFAN]

put the NON ND coaching stuff in silly coaching changes...discussion is already there regarding this

 

[OCIrish]

I'm done for next year no matter what, I 'm done till Kelly is gone to be honest. This year was the first time I didn't watch the USC game. Heck I only watched the first 3 games from beginning to end. I have checked out and indifference has largely taken root.

But obviously I still care enough to post on a message board. 7 years..

Cali, welcome to my 2016.......after the debacle of Texas, I wasn't overly enthused as to where the season was heading, by the time of the MSU game, I was done. I worked every Saturday, and didn't bother to record any of the games. I kept track of the game on here and Twitter, but.........it just wasn't entertaining to try and sit through.

 

[dublinirish]

i watched the texas game but didnt watch another until USC. Living with a bunch of MSU fans I can safely say there havent been many big saturdays of CFB this fall :/

 

[OCIrish]

The first time I did it, I couldn't figure out the proper way to swing the maul down. First blow missed the target, missed the giant log I was using as a base, and went directly into concrete. I had no idea that form was so important in busting up some logs.

I cannot begin to tell you how many handles I went through in middle school when I first starting using a maul.....by HS, I bought my own fiberglass handle, never broke another one again . It also helped I learned how to split and better technique as I got older.

 

[beryirish]

i watched the texas game but didnt watch another until USC. Living with a bunch of MSU fans I can safely say there havent been many big saturdays of CFB this fall :/

No...just 9/17

 

[kmoose]

So you don't think there will be another statement by Jack/ND?

I don't know if there will be or won't be. But one thing is damn sure............. Swarbrick doesn't OWE anyone a statement, as was inferred in the post that I responded to.

 

[GowerND11]

Don't be obtuse? The guy just said, a month and a half ago, that Kelly would be the coach for 2017. If "things have changed" is the benchmark, then you wouldn't consider a decomit and a bunch more "what is Kelly's future" speculation in the media to be things that have changed?

Absolutely I consider those as examples of change. You said that, "By your logic, where does it end?" It ends when ND, Jack, and/or BK issue a statement within the next week about the future of the program. You were being obtuse by suggesting Jack has to issue a statement every month.

 

[dublinirish]

No...just 9/17

i went to my brother in law's for this and nobody even watched the game and there were like 5 MSU Alum's in the house at the time. Been a wierd football season.

 

[ab2cmiller]

IF BK is back
and
IF Jack feels like some kind of statemet should be made

then it should be something along the lines of what a previous poster had suggested that BK is interviewing DC candidates etc etc etc.

Under no circumstances should Jack directly state that we've met and we've decided that BK is our coach.

 

[phgreek]

I don't know if there will be or won't be. But one thing is damn sure............. Swarbrick doesn't OWE anyone a statement, as was inferred in the post that I responded to.

This is true...

But I do see some utility in at least talking to the committed guys and the team (which he may have done). I believe he likely has reached out to the EEs, because they seem locked in. Then, in order to get the neg recruiting heat off the commits, I think it might help to make a broader pronouncement even if the platform was his internet show and it comes up in "conversation" ...

 

[phgreek]

IF BK is back
and
IF Jack feels like some kind of statemet should be made

then it should be something along the lines of what a previous poster had suggested that BK is interviewing DC candidates etc etc etc.

Under no circumstances should Jack directly state that we've met and we've decided that BK is our coach.

Agreed...there are a million ways to answer the questions w/o making it worse...

 

[kmoose]

Absolutely I consider those as examples of change. You said that, "By your logic, where does it end?" It ends when ND, Jack, and/or BK issue a statement within the next week about the future of the program. You were being obtuse by suggesting Jack has to issue a statement every month.

So what makes the changes since October so special, that they require an additional announcement, but that the changes I hypothesized wouldn't?

 

[Free Manera]

That's fair enough. So Swarbrick issues a statement today, Dec. 2. Over the course of the month, we have a decommit from a recruit and a bunch more speculation comes up that Kelly will be gone. So Swarbrick now has to issue another statement in January, and then one in February, and then one in March? By your logic, where does it end?

This is kind of a weak "slippery slope" type argument. A statement isn't necessary every time a recruit decommits as that is commonplace in college football. Ungrounded speculation also does not warrant comment from an AD.

However, when you have:
1. credible reports of the head coach looking to leave (Forde is well-respected and is not a clickbait kind of guy)
2. A disgusting 4 win season where the team seemed to regress
3. reports that the coach flirted with our biggest rival following the 2015 season which added fuel to the rumors that he is looking,
4. losing a recruit to OSU because no one had contacted him in months
5. several people in the media and elsewhere discussing Kelly's uncertain future

a statement seems warranted to end the noise and keep the recruiting class together.

 

[PANDFAN]

This is kind of a weak "slippery slope" type argument. A statement isn't necessary every time a recruit decommits as that is commonplace in college football. Ungrounded speculation also does not warrant comment from an AD.

However, when you have:
1. credible reports of the head coach looking to leave (Forde is well-respected and is not a clickbait kind of guy)
2. A disgusting 4 win season where the team seemed to regress
3. reports that the coach flirted with our biggest rival following the 2015 season which added fuel to the rumors that he is looking,
4. losing a recruit to OSU because no one had contacted him in months
5. several people in the media and elsewhere discussing Kelly's uncertain future

a statement seems warranted to end the noise and keep the recruiting class together.

#1 BK came back later that night again after this came out that he is fully committed to staying here
#2 Team def didn't regress...d improved, tackling improved, sacks improved, int's etc
#3 that report indicated that USC reached out to his people, not the other way around
#4 VERY unlikely that trully happened, as he had been on campus several times---don't think he talked to a coach then? plus you don't find it strange that one of the better recruits wouldn't have communication especially w/ elston who is LB COACH and Recruiting Coordinator?

if you believe everything you wrote, then i don't know what to tell you.

 

[NDRock]

So what makes the changes since October so special, that they require an additional announcement, but that the changes I hypothesized wouldn't?

I don't think it's any particular change that has happened. I think it's all the "noise" and speculation that will necessitate another statement. All the speculation could be completely baseless but it's out there and that is what matters.

So what future changes would cause another statement? Any that would again cause rampant speculation about his job security.

 

[Free Manera]

#1 BK came back later that night again after this came out that he is fully committed to staying here
#3 that report indicated that USC reached out to his people, not the other way around
#4 VERY unlikely that trully happened, as he had been on campus several times---don't think he talked to a coach then? plus you don't find it strange that one of the better recruits wouldn't have communication especially w/ elston who is LB COACH and Recruiting Coordinator?

if you believe everything you wrote, then i don't know what to tell you.

It doesn't matter if I believe it. All of this has been reported on recruiting sites and sports sites, and none of it is far-fetched enough to be dismissed.

My only point is that Swarbrick could end all of it by releasing a two sentence press release stating: We have met with Coach Kelly about the staff openings and he is currently interviewing candidates for the defensive coordinator position. We are looking forward to a much improved team in 2017 and we are excited for the future."

 

[NDRock]

#1 BK came back later that night again after this came out that he is fully committed to staying here
#2 Team def didn't regress...d improved, tackling improved, sacks improved, int's etc
#3 that report indicated that USC reached out to his people, not the other way around
#4 VERY unlikely that trully happened, as he had been on campus several times---don't think he talked to a coach then? plus you don't find it strange that one of the better recruits wouldn't have communication especially w/ elston who is LB COACH and Recruiting Coordinator?

if you believe everything you wrote, then i don't know what to tell you.

Not sure how you could say that the team didn't regress. The offense and special teams sure did. Defense did go from abysmal to just terrible, so that's something.

 

[kmoose]

This is kind of a weak "slippery slope" type argument. A statement isn't necessary every time a recruit decommits as that is commonplace in college football. Ungrounded speculation also does not warrant comment from an AD.

However, when you have:
1. credible reports of the head coach looking to leave (Forde is well-respected and is not a clickbait kind of guy)

A credible report of Kelly looking to leave would seem to indicate the need for a statement from Kelly, not Swarbrick?

2. A disgusting 4 win season where the team seemed to regress

I don't think the team regressed. The defense was one of the absolute worst in all of CFB, when BVG was finally fired. They finished the season at least looking like they were somewhat competent. Not very good, but certainly better than when BVG was fired. The offense did fall off a little, but I am strongly suspicious that the offensive dropoff was the result of Kelly having to spend more time with the defense, and not being able to spend as much time on the little things with the offense. Maybe Sanford just isn't as good as everyone would like to think he is, and the second half of the season offense is what Sanford is?

3. reports that the coach flirted with our biggest rival following the 2015 season which added fuel to the rumors that he is looking

An unfounded report, based on a USA Today article that referenced "a person with knowledge of the situation".

4. losing a recruit to OSU because no one had contacted him in months

He says that no one had contacted him in months. Eddie Vanderdoes also wanted to stay close to his sick grandmother.

5. several people in the media and elsewhere discussing Kelly's uncertain future

a statement seems warranted to end the noise and keep the recruiting class together.

If media speculation is a danger to keeping a recruiting class together, then my hypothetical of a decommitment and more "What's Kelly's future?" articles is hardly weak, by your own admission.

 

[PANDFAN]

Not sure how you could say that the team didn't regress. The offense and special teams sure did. Defense did go from abysmal to just terrible, so that's something.

not sure what else to say other than at the start of the season we lost to a TERRIBLE texas, msu and duke team

at the end of the season we beat miami, lost by 3 to the team playing in the acc championship game, lost by 1 point to Navy currently #19 (should have beat them) and played usc extremely hard except for TERRIBLE special teams we may have won...so we didn't regress

 

[Free Manera]

I don't think the team regressed. The defense was one of the absolute worst in all of CFB, when BVG was finally fired. They finished the season at least looking like they were somewhat competent. Not very good, but certainly better than when BVG was fired. The offense did fall off a little, but I am strongly suspicious that the offensive dropoff was the result of Kelly having to spend more time with the defense, and not being able to spend as much time on the little things with the offense. Maybe Sanford just isn't as good as everyone would like to think he is, and the second half of the season offense is what Sanford is?


If media speculation is a danger to keeping a recruiting class together, then my hypothetical of a decommitment and more "What's Kelly's future?" articles is hardly weak, by your own admission.

You are cherry picking individual points from the list and saying each one by itself isn't a big deal, and I agree. However, when they all happen within a week of another, it creates drama. Obviously. Look at all the message boards.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

#1 BK came back later that night again after this came out that he is fully committed to staying here
#2 Team def didn't regress...d improved, tackling improved, sacks improved, int's etc
#3 that report indicated that USC reached out to his people, not the other way around
#4 VERY unlikely that trully happened, as he had been on campus several times---don't think he talked to a coach then? plus you don't find it strange that one of the better recruits wouldn't have communication especially w/ elston who is LB COACH and Recruiting Coordinator?

if you believe everything you wrote, then i don't know what to tell you.

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