Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[irishandy]

Yes.

Wtf are we supposed to do sit around and be appeased with 8 wins and a good graduation rate?

Then go put your application in if you think you know it all, can go 12-0, and recruit nationwide.

 

[GATTACA!]

Then go put your application in if you think you know it all, can go 12-0, and recruit nationwide.

What kind of logic is that? If i'm not happy with my meal at a restaurant my options are to either go fire up the grill and make something better myself or shut my mouth and accept it? We are consumers they are producers, and currently they are putting out a substandard product. If the restaurant replaces the chef and the meal is still shitty i'm going to complain again. I could stop being a patron of that restaurant and talk with my wallet, but in this metaphor i'm obviously not going to abandon my fanhood.

 

[irishandy]

What kind of logic is that? If i'm not happy with my meal at a restaurant my options are to either go fire up the grill and make something better myself or shut my mouth and accept it? We are consumers they are producers, and currently they are putting out a substandard product. If the restaurant replaces the chef and the meal is still shitty i'm going to complain again. I could stop being a patron of that restaurant and talk with my wallet, but in this metaphor i'm obviously not going to abandon my fanhood.

Dude...go get laid. I love ND and ND football. There is more to ND football in life.

You put in your application yet?? Go get to recruiting and lead us to that Natty.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

This guy is funny
https://twitter.com/realNotreTrump?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Hmmm. I think we might be underestimating how ugly things might get soon.

 

[MJ12666]

I mean have you ever seen the clearinghouse requirements? They're a pretty low bar.

I think what matters is that the athletes at ND are ACTUALLY students- they go to the same classes, they take the exams, they do homework etc... To the extent ND imposes limitations on who it recruits, it stems from that fact- they're not looking for kids who can clear an artificial bar, they're looking for kids who won't be overwhelmed by the academic experience.

This is all fine and good but again this is a self imposed restriction. ND is under no NCAA obligation to do this, but since ND has essentially set their academic requirements higher then Alabama and OSU, it should not be used as excuse for not being able to compete.

 

[Cali_domer]

Hmmm. I think we might be underestimating how ugly things might get soon.

 

[NDgradstudent]

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[arahop]

This is all fine and good but again this is a self imposed restriction. ND is under no NCAA obligation to do this, but since ND has essentially set their academic requirements higher then Alabama and OSU, it should not be used as excuse for not being able to compete.

Agreed. When did this become important? When Lou was pushed out. So up until then Notre Dame was more lenient ie Zorich and Rice going to Holy Cross. Alumni wanted the "student athletes" and now look at us. So Alumni and fans act like Notre Dame always played it this way with great smart football players. Thats just not the case. ND made exceptions just like every other school. Monk Malloy I believe was responsible. Now that is the accepted belief. Imo is the biggest obstacle in the way if championship success of the football program

 

[GATTACA!]

Dude...go get laid. I love ND and ND football. There is more to ND football in life.

You put in your application yet?? Go get to recruiting and lead us to that Natty.

Ah gotcha so no response to anything I said.

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[IrishinSyria]

Agreed. When did this become important? When Lou was pushed out. So up until then Notre Dame was more lenient ie Zorich and Rice going to Holy Cross. Alumni wanted the "student athletes" and now look at us. So Alumni and fans act like Notre Dame always played it this way with great smart football players. Thats just not the case. ND made exceptions just like every other school. Monk Malloy I believe was responsible. Now that is the accepted belief. Imo is the biggest obstacle in the way if championship success of the football program

eh....

I've heard guys like Allen Pinkett talk and they always give ND credit with providing them with a great education. Obviously the school did and still does use different admissions standards for football players, but I think they've always expected their football players to take part in student life.

I think what really hurt ND was the move from 105 scholarships in 92 and the spread of televised football. We went from being one of the only truly national teams who could *within the rules* maintain a huge roster of studs to a team that was competing on more or less even ground with a lot more schools.

But yeah, I would rather cheer for a team that is competitive but maintains academic and character standards than cheer for a dominant team that doesn't.

 

[NDdomer2]

Ah gotcha so no response to anything I said.

sarcasticeyeroll.gif

Same can be done for the 20 fire Kelly/new ND coach threads, those who are still holding out hope were gna have a coaching change and flip every report/lack of report into "support" of their irrational self logic.

Hell now people are calling for Swarbricks head, that takes a special kind of reality detachment.

 

[kmoose]

I mean because August is forever a time of optimism in CFB maybe people had unrealistically high expectations going into the season but at least the results could be justified on reflection.

But that's not what I keep reading. I keep reading about how we all knew that 2007 was going to be a bad season. And that's just not true. Looking back, you're right, it was obvious why we were so bad. But no one expected anything near a 3-9 season, going into it.


By the way.......... if you watched the Temple-Navy game today, you can look back and completely understand how ND lost to Navy. Navy controlled the LOS against ND and won. Temple controlled the LOS against Navy and won.

 

[ulukinatme]

This guy is funny
https://twitter.com/realNotreTrump?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

My gut tells me it's another Koon sock.

 

[GATTACA!]

Same can be done for the 20 fire Kelly/new ND coach threads, those who are still holding out hope were gna have a coaching change and flip every report/lack of report into "support" of their irrational self logic.

Hell now people are calling for Swarbricks head, that takes a special kind of reality detachment.

To be fair the sarcasticeyeroll.gif was simply aimed at Shandy's response, not that entire side of the argument.

Also as an aside I think most of the fire Swarbrick chatter is being done in jest. Fans are just trying to pressure him into canning BK.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Same can be done for the 20 fire Kelly/new ND coach threads, those who are still holding out hope were gna have a coaching change and flip every report/lack of report into "support" of their irrational self logic.

Hell now people are calling for Swarbricks head, that takes a special kind of reality detachment.

Who is detached from reality? Are we, or is Swarbrick, who says the program -now a national joke- is in "great shape," and that last year's coaching job was "one of the best he has ever seen"?

 

[NDdomer2]

Who is detached from reality? Are we, or is Swarbrick, who says the program -now a national joke- is in "great shape," and that last year's coaching job was "one of the best he has ever seen"?

You certainly are.

 

[NDgradstudent]

You certainly are.

Swarbrick hasn't accomplished much in his tenure as far as I can tell. He is responsible for the embarrassing boondoggle being built around the stadium. This ghastly structure now houses a 4-8 football team. And next year we actually have to play a real schedule.

Remember that Michigan could only turn its program around after the AD was forced out. Something similar will be required here, I'm afraid. Swarbrick has consciously bound himself to Kelly, and therefore to fire one is to fire the other.

 

[IrishinSyria]

But that's not what I keep reading. I keep reading about how we all knew that 2007 was going to be a bad season. And that's just not true. Looking back, you're right, it was obvious why we were so bad. But no one expected anything near a 3-9 season, going into it.


By the way.......... if you watched the Temple-Navy game today, you can look back and completely understand how ND lost to Navy. Navy controlled the LOS against ND and won. Temple controlled the LOS against Navy and won.

College Football 2007 Preseason Rankings Comparison

Here's a compilation of 2007 preseason rankings from 7 different services. Not one had ND in the top 25. In 2016 we were somewhere between 8-12 in every one with a consensus of 10.

So maybe WE didn't see it coming in 2007 because this board is a bunch of homers (myself included) but nobody objective expected us to be good. Everybody expected us to be good this year.

 

[IrishinSyria]

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/23961-over-under-7-5-a.html

Because I was curious, I looked up what Irish Envy was saying before 2007. Looks like people were saying 7 or 8 wins was expected (with some wildly overoptimistic outliers).

 

[NDdomer2]

Jack Swarbrick Bio UND.COM :: The Official Site of Notre Dame Athletics
I don't know how you could read this and then say this:

Swarbrick hasn't accomplished much in his tenure as far as I can tell.

Only further supports ur reality detachment because your opinion of the AD is purely based on the FB team. Clearly....

He is responsible for the embarrassing boondoggle being built around the stadium. This ghastly structure now houses a 4-8 football team. And next year we actually have to play a real schedule.

Remember that Michigan could only turn its program around after the AD was forced out. Something similar will be required here, I'm afraid. Swarbrick has consciously bound himself to Kelly, and therefore to fire one is to fire the other.

I also remember they had a fb player rape a student, practically cover it up, and allowed a coach to continuously walk a concussed player out on the field.

The new AD isn't responsible for the FB teams success, Harbaugh is.

 

[irishandy]

What kind of logic is that? If i'm not happy with my meal at a restaurant my options are to either go fire up the grill and make something better myself or shut my mouth and accept it? We are consumers they are producers, and currently they are putting out a substandard product. If the restaurant replaces the chef and the meal is still shitty i'm going to complain again. I could stop being a patron of that restaurant and talk with my wallet, but in this metaphor i'm obviously not going to abandon my fanhood.

Ah gotcha so no response to anything I said.

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You didn't get me at all and your garbage post above is not worth responding to.

It is sad with the ND fan base how they think the sky is falling-- people are now wanting Swarbrick gone and there is a go fund me page...what kind of fans are we? Look at the program between 2007-2009.

I just cannot believe the negativity with all of the get rid of Kelly threads, bring in a new HC.....

I'd hate to wait on you at a restaurant....

 

[Cali_domer]

You didn't get me at all and your garbage post above is not worth responding to.

It is sad with the ND fan base how they think the sky is falling-- people are now wanting Swarbrick gone and there is a go fund me page...what kind of fans are we? Look at the program between 2007-2009.

I just cannot believe the negativity with all of the get rid of Kelly threads, bring in a new HC.....

I'd hate to wait on you at a restaurant....

The sky is falling with Kelly at the head, only way he goes is Swarbrick goes. So might as well get the ball rolling.

 

[NDdomer2]

The sky is falling with Kelly at the head, only way he goes is Swarbrick goes. So might as well get the ball rolling.

Thought u were leaving?

 

[NDgradstudent]

Jack Swarbrick Bio UND.COM :: The Official Site of Notre Dame Athletics
I don't know how you could read this and then say this:

In other news, the Hillary Clinton website thinks Hillary Clinton is a great person with tons of accomplishments. And the Donald Trump website thinks Donald Trump is a great person with tons of accomplishments. Etc.

I don't see much of interest in there. Again, I don't consider the Crossroads project a success; I consider it an unaesthetic waste of money. He started a YouTube channel for ND sports, so we can watch Kelly's blame-everyone-else press conferences? Big deal.

The new AD isn't responsible for the FB teams success, Harbaugh is.

I never said changing the AD was sufficient for improving the FB team. But it was necessary to do so.

 

[Cali_domer]

Thought u were leaving?

I will be, don't worry.

#NextCoachIn

 

[MJ12666]

eh....

I've heard guys like Allen Pinkett talk and they always give ND credit with providing them with a great education. Obviously the school did and still does use different admissions standards for football players, but I think they've always expected their football players to take part in student life.

I think what really hurt ND was the move from 105 scholarships in 92 and the spread of televised football. We went from being one of the only truly national teams who could *within the rules* maintain a huge roster of studs to a team that was competing on more or less even ground with a lot more schools.

But yeah, I would rather cheer for a team that is competitive but maintains academic and character standards than cheer for a dominant team that doesn't.

We can't even seem to get a full 85 scholarship players let alone 105. lol

The problem is that "subway alumni" who grew up when ND was still a dominant program are slowing dying out and are not being replaced. I saw a lot of empty seats at some games this year and if ND continues on its current path it is only going to get worse. They are basically heading down a path to be an independent Northwestern. Watching the Temple game today I was sitting there thinking that I can't believe ND has sunk so low that they probably can't beat Temple.

 

[arahop]

eh....

I've heard guys like Allen Pinkett talk and they always give ND credit with providing them with a great education. Obviously the school did and still does use different admissions standards for football players, but I think they've always expected their football players to take part in student life.

I think what really hurt ND was the move from 105
scholarships in 92 and the spread of televised football. We went from being one of the only truly national teams who could *within the rules* maintain a huge roster of studs to a team that was competing on more or less even ground with a lot more schools.

But yeah, I would rather cheer for a team that is competitive but maintains academic and character standards than cheer for a dominant team that doesn't.

I agree with your 2nd paragraph. Allen pinkett is a funny case to quote. Ill source him too. Pinkett said "Notre Dame needs some criminals" or bad seeds to win.

While i don't agree with that. I do believe that 10 or so "academic exceptions" should be able to be made per class.

 

[MJ12666]

I agree with your 2nd paragraph. Allen pinkett is a funny case to quote. Ill source him too. Pinkett said "Notre Dame needs some criminals" or bad seeds to win.

While i don't agree with that. I do believe that 10 or so "academic exceptions" should be able to be made per class.

Two questions.

1. Has it always been ND's policy to require athletes to stay on schedule to graduate in four years to maintain their eligibility?

2. Does this standard apply to the the entire student body and if so what happens if they fall behind?

 

[NDdomer2]

In other news, the Hillary Clinton website thinks Hillary Clinton is a great person with tons of accomplishments. And the Donald Trump website thinks Donald Trump is a great person with tons of accomplishments. Etc.

I don't see much of interest in there. Again, I don't consider the Crossroads project a success; I consider it an unaesthetic waste of money. He started a YouTube channel for ND sports, so we can watch Kelly's blame-everyone-else press conferences? Big deal.



I never said changing the AD was sufficient for improving the FB team. But it was necessary to do so.

Lol so this....

The best across-the-board athletic season in Notre Dame history in 2013-14 as Irish men's programs claimed the Capital One Cup and 22 of 26 sports overall advanced to postseason play, enabling Notre Dame to finish a best-ever third in the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics all-sports standings.

happening during his tenure has nothing to do with him right, just 22 coaches who were so successful they achieved the impossible over a AD that needs canned.

Pft..

Again ur opinion of him is FB related only. If the "rumors" were Swarbrick wanted Kelly fired but the BOT didn't, would u be calling for the BOT to all step down?

U don't know shit about what's really going on, just a butt hurt quasi-fan.

 

[NDdomer2]

I will be, don't worry.

#NextCoachIn