What do College Football Recruits Care About?

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Nor sure how much an unofficial to AZ would cost him. Without knowing how far away he is, every article and report make it sound like he's pretty close.. Could be way off though, anyone know for certain?

Neal lives in the Phoenix area. U of A is in Tucson. So, like a 2 hour drive. No biggie.

Still, making the trip on your own, as opposed to an official, at this point just seems a little more serious. I don't know. I'd think he's been there a bunch of times before, right? So he's not going to see the sights.
 

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Nor sure how much an unofficial to AZ would cost him. Without knowing how far away he is, every article and report make it sound like he's pretty close.. Could be way off though, anyone know for certain?

Not knowing his exact address this isn't right but from his High Schoool to the University according to map quest is 128 miles and showing a little over an 2 hour drive so that really isn't that far.
 

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Also, if you buy that academics are important to Neal, Arizona shouldn't worry you too much. Their African-American GSR is a cringe-worthy 41% (65th of 70 in the BCS); and their African-American 30Y ROI is a mere $362,212 (58th of 70th).

ND offers ~5x the academic value.

Unless Neal has suddenly developed an irresistible compulsion to stay home, I have a hard time seeing the appeal of playing for D!ckRod in Tucson. Sh!tty town, marginal program coming off a terrible year, and a head coach who barely beat the lynch mob out of Ann Arbor.

Once he installs his offense and starts exceeding expectations, he'll definitely pull some recruits. But right now? How do you turn down Meyer or Kelly for Arizona? I don't see it.
 
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I live in Tucson, but I want to see Neal play on NBC.

Ha! Hope I didn't give offense, JD. I have family in Tucson, and spend time down there every year... but I think it's fair to say that Tucson is one of the few college towns that can make South Bend look attractive.
 

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Also, if you buy that academics are important to Neal, Arizona shouldn't worry you too much. Their African-American GSR is a cringe-worthy 41% (65th of 70 in the BCS); and their African-American 30Y ROI is a mere $362,212 (58th of 70th).

ND offers ~5x the academic value.

Unless Neal has suddenly developed an irresistible compulsion to stay home, I have a hard time seeing the appeal of playing for D!ckRod in Tucson. Sh!tty town, marginal program coming off a terrible year, and a head coach who barely beat the lynch mob out of Ann Arbor.

Once he installs his offense and starts exceeding expectations, he'll definitely pull some recruits. But right now? How do you turn down Meyer or Kelly for Arizona? I don't see it.

HA. You underestimate the appeal of Arizona: biggest party school in America with the hottest college women you will ever see at any school. Those are powerful factors, my friend.
 
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HA. You underestimate the appeal of Arizona: biggest party school in America with the hottest college women you will ever see at any school. Those are powerful factors, my friend.

Arizona isn't the only place to get beautiful women!
 

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HA. You underestimate the appeal of Arizona: biggest party school in America with the hottest college women you will ever see at any school. Those are powerful factors, my friend.

To some....

A friend and I have this argument at least once a week.

He is convinced that recruits ONLY care about warm weather and girls... hence Florida colleges, and namely the SEC getting so many recruits.

I stand by the thought that academic pursuit by talented recruits is not dead.

It's not about TnA and sunshine to every kid, some actually give a sh*t about their intellect as well as their athletics.
 

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To some....

A friend and I have this argument at least once a week.

He is convinced that recruits ONLY care about warm weather and girls... hence Florida colleges, and namely the SEC getting so many recruits.

I stand by the thought that academic pursuit by talented recruits is not dead.

It's not about TnA and sunshine to every kid, some actually give a sh*t about their intellect as well as their athletics.

Oh there's no doubt there are still kids who care about education. I'm just saying that warm weather and girls are likely to be very influential factors in a recruit's decision. On top of that, some of these schools offer comparable quality of education to ND.
 

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HA. You underestimate the appeal of Arizona: biggest party school in America with the hottest college women you will ever see at any school. Those are powerful factors, my friend.

I'm very familiar with the relative quality of the co-ed populations at ASU and U of A. ASU >>> Arizona.

If Neal was primarily interested in chasing skirts and having fun, he'd be a strong ASU lean right now, but he's not even considering them.
 

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To some....

A friend and I have this argument at least once a week.

He is convinced that recruits ONLY care about warm weather and girls... hence Florida colleges, and namely the SEC getting so many recruits.

I stand by the thought that academic pursuit by talented recruits is not dead.

It's not about TnA and sunshine to every kid, some actually give a sh*t about their intellect as well as their athletics.

I disagree with both actually. I think both of those have some affect, but I think the biggest thing for most kids is the closeness to home. Going to college is tough, being within an couple of hours of a drive to your parents and going to the same college as high school friends is something that I think a lot of older people don't consider as much as they should when thinking about these kids. People talk a lot about girls and weather and grades, but if high school kids want one thing more than anything, it's friends. (Yes, even above women.) That's why I think it takes a special, mature sort of kid to want to go to Notre Dame.
 

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I disagree with both actually. I think both of those have some affect, but I think the biggest thing for most kids is the closeness to home. Going to college is tough, being within an couple of hours of a drive to your parents and going to the same college as high school friends is something that I think a lot of older people don't consider as much as they should when thinking about these kids. People talk a lot about girls and weather and grades, but if high school kids want one thing more than anything, it's friends. (Yes, even above women.) That's why I think it takes a special, mature sort of kid to want to go to Notre Dame.

Some of the recruits use distance as an opposite factor, meaning, they want to get away from home.

"change of scenery" or however you want to phrase it
 

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Starting a thread on what college recruits are interested in. I think it's worth a discussion.
 

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I'll tell you what. From what we can gather from following recruiting, it's hard to stereotype kids. Sometimes little things makes a difference. Sometimes it's peer pressure, sometimes it's weather, sometimes it's academics, sometimes it's the coach, etc... The truth is that it's hard to exactly know what is going on in a kid's mind. There are no real winner in that debate, because every kid is different. All the answers are kinda good, as far of what might influence a kid's decision. It's a case by case.
 

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What do College Football Recruits Care About?

Let's have the discussion here. Because I have to head to work, I'll keep my thoughts brief. I think kids fall into two categories:

1. Kids who have a strong parental unit and/or actually approach college as a place to get a valuable degree that will help you outside of football.

2. Kids who look at their college decision as a 3-5 year "where is the best place to play ball?" decision.

I think both groups care (to varying degrees with each individual) about facilities, relationships with the coaches, exposure, winning, how they fit in the social scene, early PT opportunities, and distance from home. I think the first group cares also about degree value, prestige of the university, strength in their intended major, graduation rates, the alumni network, and how the college will help them after graduation.

The latter group typically cares about hot chicks, weather, parties, how lax the rules are, $$$/benefits they can get, how the school puts kids in the pros, etc. That's not to say all of these kids are necessarily about breaking rules... because for sure the majority of them aren't looking to do that. For instance, Jimmy Clausen was a group 2 kid... he came here to be taught by Charlie Weis. What I'm saying is that they approach college as football first and look at it as a semi-pro opportunity to get to the NFL.

I think it's interesting to look at how ND succeeds with kids is group 1 but fails with kids in group 2. Even when we get group 2 kids to come to ND... they typically end up transferring or not panning out. Either that or they end up decommitting before NSD because they were using us as an insurance policy. There are exceptions, but it's the norm. In this year's class I can't think of one person who is a group 2 kid. I think you could put Deontay Greenberry and Gunner Kiel in that group... maybe... because the deciding factors for each seemed largely football based... but at the same time they also were swayed to ND from other places for largely non-football reasons. This is in stark contrast to how Weis recruited.

Anyways, I open it up here to discussion. The talk in the Davonte Neal thread got me thinking about this. The truth is, if they're really looking at this as a 40 year decision, from past results it seems like we're in better shape than most are saying. There are exceptions like Wayne Lyons and Noor Davis but in general we win the "long term decision" showdown with most schools... especially schools like Arizona, OU, and Ohio State.
 

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I disagree with both actually. I think both of those have some affect, but I think the biggest thing for most kids is the closeness to home. Going to college is tough, being within an couple of hours of a drive to your parents and going to the same college as high school friends is something that I think a lot of older people don't consider as much as they should when thinking about these kids. People talk a lot about girls and weather and grades, but if high school kids want one thing more than anything, it's friends. (Yes, even above women.) That's why I think it takes a special, mature sort of kid to want to go to Notre Dame.

I personally agree with you 100%. I would have went to ND, the only thing was I wasn't tall enough, fast enough, or good enough, to play there. I had to choose between the University of North Alabama, University of West Alabama, Delta State, Central Arkansas, or Southern Arkansas. I chose North Alabama because it was only an hour from home. Far enough away that I had some freedom, but close enough to home for my Mom's cooking and so she could do my laundry. There were good looking girls at all of the schools. I really couldn't tell you now which seemed to have the most because the girls that were showing me around campus were all hot. Coaches at all schools find the best and do window dressing to show the best looking girls. I think it is underestimated how many student/athletes choose schools based on being able to get home cooking and laundry done by Mom.
 

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Thanks for starting this Lax.

2 things:

1. I think alumni network is VASTLY underrated, and undersold to our recruiting targets...(I could be wrong, just don't hear about it)

2. The "group 2 kids", aka the Will Hill's of the world, obviously put true academic progression on the back burner for things like partying, chasing tail, etc... Would you agree that poor academic pursuit/results in college somewhat falls on the institution as well? (FSU)
 
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I'm very familiar with the relative quality of the co-ed populations at ASU and U of A. ASU >>> Arizona.

If Neal was primarily interested in chasing skirts and having fun, he'd be a strong ASU lean right now, but he's not even considering them.

I pity anyone who goes to Arizona State. You have a good chance of leaving there with more STD's than job opportunities.
 
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For a lot of the talented ones:

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For a lot of the talented ones:

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I'm guessing that would make them the "group 2" athlete.

I sincerely wonder just how bold other universities will be in attempting the pay-for-play scams anymore.

Since Cam Newton, I don't know if they'd take a chance like that
 

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I'm very familiar with the relative quality of the co-ed populations at ASU and U of A. ASU >>> Arizona.

If Neal was primarily interested in chasing skirts and having fun, he'd be a strong ASU lean right now, but he's not even considering them.

However Whiskey, you know it's not like U of A is hurting for talent. U of A still blows away anything B1G country can produce, and that's reality.
 

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Arizona St is better, so ive heard.

I heard that too.

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However Whiskey, you know it's not like U of A is hurting for talent. U of A still blows away anything B1G country can produce, and that's reality.

Generally speaking, any large public university located in a warm climate that admits ~75% or more of its applicants is going to have lots of attractive women.
 
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