Weed & the American Family

[Old Man Mike]

THC is a powerful blood vessel constrictor --- even more so than nicotine. That's been known clearly for decades. If someone has blood vessel problems (a la leading to heart attacks or strokes) then they're rolling dangerous dice if they smoke.

Should certain brain diseases be dependent upon how freely blood flow occurs in certain brain areas, such a disease can be exacerbated by arterial constriction. I do not know if "schizophrenia" (which is a medical junk word describing several different illnesses) is susceptible to this problem, but constricting brain blood flow surely can lead to marked symptoms.

 

[greyhammer90]

Government ban should be a high watermark. As others have said, alcohol, cigarettes, and red meat are all arguably worse for you. I'm for legalization. I'll probably treat it like I treat cigars. Once or twice a year at most.

 

[Irishize]

I don’t have an issue w/ it being legal but wish people would stop w/ the medical angle of pain relief and just admit they want to get stoned. I have no doubts it’s a wonderful outlet for those w/ debilitating diseases or are going through treatments (i.e., chemo) w/ transient side effects that make QOL tough. That said, most folks just want to get high.

Joe Rogan is a huuuuge pot advocate. Even he recommends a young person waits until their brain is FULLY developed before beginning use. I can live w/ that guidepost for my kids b/c they will be consenting adults by then. I also added that since the majority of their age group are going to be using daily, there’s a good bet most of them will be lazy & maybe less competitive in the workplace giving young adults who abstain or occasionally use a perceived leg up. Who knows? I know they got an eyeful in LA when they saw how many kids their age were using in plain sight. To each their own.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I don’t have an issue w/ it being legal but wish people would stop w/ the medical angle of pain relief and just admit they want to get stoned. I have no doubts it’s a wonderful outlet for those w/ debilitating diseases or are going through treatments (i.e., chemo) w/ transient side effects that make QOL tough. That said, most folks just want to get high.

Joe Rogan is a huuuuge pot advocate. Even he recommends a young person waits until their brain is FULLY developed before beginning use. I can live w/ that guidepost for my kids b/c they will be consenting adults by then. I also added that since the majority of their age group are going to be using daily, there’s a good bet most of them will be lazy & maybe less competitive in the workplace giving young adults who abstain or occasionally use a perceived leg up. Who knows? I know they got an eyeful in LA when they saw how many kids their age were using in plain sight. To each their own.

This is true of so many things. The developmental years or so important. Develop an addiction of any kind during those years and it'll be harder to kick and you may be late to other developmental milestones because you were too caught up in the addiction lifestyle.

Along with heavy marijuana use, I also partied a lot in high school and it became an addiction all it's own. It took a while to break that chain and marijuana's allure is still strong for me. Not in a stoner, everyday fashion but I still have the yearning for it's effects.

I do find it to be a great sleeping agent in pill form and I also like it's social effects for me. I become more relaxed, more sociable and more willing to dive into the weeds on any given topic. But again, this could be a developmental thing because it was in my system 24/7 for 3-5 years before I was able to pull out of that lifestyle.

Even now I'll take anywhere from 1-6 months off just to ensure I don't bludgeon my endocannabinoid system and because I feel busy AF most weeks.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I don’t have an issue w/ it being legal but wish people would stop w/ the medical angle of pain relief and just admit they want to get stoned. I have no doubts it’s a wonderful outlet for those w/ debilitating diseases or are going through treatments (i.e., chemo) w/ transient side effects that make QOL tough. That said, most folks just want to get high.

This is a great point.

I also think there are only three arguments that most people actually entertain in public debate: (1) consent, (2) toxicity, (3) societal upheaval. No one really cares about the morality--because we don't share a common morality.

So most things we used to consider wrong, like gambling before it, and prostitution and assisted suicide to come, are destined to be legalized. It's inevitable. It just takes big business getting behind the initiative and pushing it over the top.

 

[Irishize]

This is a great point.

I also think there are only three arguments that most people actually entertain in public debate: (1) consent, (2) toxicity, (3) societal upheaval. No one really cares about the morality--because we don't share a common morality.

So most things we used to consider wrong, like gambling before it, and prostitution and assisted suicide to come, are destined to be legalized. It's inevitable. It just takes big business getting behind the initiative and pushing it over the top.

Agreed.

The toxicity of today’s weed bludgeons what I grew up with...much less what they had in the 60s. At least that’s what I’ve been told...especially edibles. I’ve heard a first timer should stick w/ minimal intake.

In Arkansas, I saw pics in the news of the first dispensaries opening. I know you can’t judge a book by it’s cover but 99% of the people anxiously awaiting it to open were stereotypical potheads. It was almost too ironic.

 

[stlnd01]

I don’t have an issue w/ it being legal but wish people would stop w/ the medical angle of pain relief and just admit they want to get stoned. I have no doubts it’s a wonderful outlet for those w/ debilitating diseases or are going through treatments (i.e., chemo) w/ transient side effects that make QOL tough. That said, most folks just want to get high.

Joe Rogan is a huuuuge pot advocate. Even he recommends a young person waits until their brain is FULLY developed before beginning use. I can live w/ that guidepost for my kids b/c they will be consenting adults by then. I also added that since the majority of their age group are going to be using daily, there’s a good bet most of them will be lazy & maybe less competitive in the workplace giving young adults who abstain or occasionally use a perceived leg up. Who knows? I know they got an eyeful in LA when they saw how many kids their age were using in plain sight. To each their own.

That's kind of where I'm at. I live in Massachusetts, where pot is recently legal, and increasingly available. I don't smoke - just a few times, I'm more of a drinker, myself - but you can't walk two blocks in downtown Boston without smelling someone who does. That's fine. I've got no problem with adults enjoying a joint. But I'm also a parent. In a few years, when my kids are in high school, it'll be widely available at retail. I'm a little concerned it'll be easily accessible and completely normalized, for teenagers. At the moment my plan is for my boys to be high-achieving athletes who don't have the time or lung capacity for that shit. But we'll see. Plans have a way of falling apart.

 

[yankeehater]

Not sure how old you are VDP, but I was in my teens and early 20's during the hippy years and the push to make it legal was going on back then. I think there have been plenty of studies conducted over the years, but more tests wouldn't hurt as the THC levels in today's pot appears to be considerably more than back then.

As far as schizophrenia, I have no idea if weed causes it or exasperates it. My hunch is the issue is already there and weed just alters the brain to allow it to become more exposed.

I was a light user, maybe a joint once a week or two, but wasn't sure if it should be legalized. Today I'm all for it. Booze and smokes are legal and have health effects, so why not weed? The tax revenue as Colorado is finding out is wonderful.

That is a very interesting way to justify something being legal!

 

[yankeehater]

I don't know if you can directly link it to the recent legalization of various drugs like marijuana, but I just read where violent crime has risen 25% over the last five years in Colorado. 2018 they had their highest rate of homicides in 15 years (I tried to post the articles from the Denver Post, but it requested a subscription fee).

I returned to Boulder County a few weeks back for the first time in two years and I noticed a considerable difference in that short amount of time. The amount of people on the streets that looked homeless or downright shady was significant enough I wouldn't allow my wife to walk alone even during the day.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

That's kind of where I'm at. I live in Massachusetts, where pot is recently legal, and increasingly available. I don't smoke - just a few times, I'm more of a drinker, myself - but you can't walk two blocks in downtown Boston without smelling someone who does. That's fine. I've got no problem with adults enjoying a joint. But I'm also a parent. In a few years, when my kids are in high school, it'll be widely available at retail. I'm a little concerned it'll be easily accessible and completely normalized, for teenagers. At the moment my plan is for my boys to be high-achieving athletes who don't have the time or lung capacity for that shit. But we'll see. Plans have a way of falling apart.

As a parent, I understand the concern. I'm hopeful my kids can just be open and honest with me, as I will be with them. I'm sure they'll experiment at some point, my hope is they have enough going on in their lives to keep them from finding 3-4 hr blocks of time to get stoned.

 

[stlnd01]

I don't know if you can directly link it to the recent legalization of various drugs like marijuana, but I just read where violent crime has risen 25% over the last five years in Colorado. 2018 they had their highest rate of homicides in 15 years (I tried to post the articles from the Denver Post, but it requested a subscription fee).

I returned to Boulder County a few weeks back for the first time in two years and I noticed a considerable difference in that short amount of time. The amount of people on the streets that looked homeless or downright shadywas significant enough I wouldn't allow my wife to walk alone even during the day.

To be fair, homelessness is up significantly in a lot of places the last few years. Has more to do with housing prices than legalized pot.

 

[Domina Nostra]

To be fair, homelessness is up significantly in a lot of places the last few years. Has more to do with housing prices than legalized pot.

I hear you, and that is a real issue for normal, working people. But based on work I’ve done with the homeless, a lot of the increase in homelessness has more to do with drug addicts and drifters re-locating to wealthy locations with really, really sympathetic populations and favorable law-enforcement policies concerning drugs and vagrancy.

Most people move somewhere cheaper if they have their act together even minimally. I know there are exceptions.

 

[phork]

I don’t have an issue w/ it being legal but wish people would stop w/ the medical angle of pain relief and just admit they want to get stoned. I have no doubts it’s a wonderful outlet for those w/ debilitating diseases or are going through treatments (i.e., chemo) w/ transient side effects that make QOL tough. That said, most folks just want to get high.

I call bullshit here. My wife is on CBD oil for her surgically repaired shoulder instead of going the opiod route. She also works in long term care and the almost every patient who was on anti-psychotics and opiods are now off of them. It also does wonders with Parkisons and other debiliting diseases.

You do understand that most medical marijuana has little to no THC in it, right?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I call bullshit here. My wife is on CBD oil for her surgically repaired shoulder instead of going the opiod route. She also works in long term care and the almost every patient who was on anti-psychotics and opiods are now off of them. It also does wonders with Parkisons and other debiliting diseases.

You do understand that most medical marijuana has little to no THC in it, right?

I'm all for CBD oil but you are completely mistaken about the bolded. Most medical marijuana has incredibly high THC, usually companies will perform an extraction to remove the CBD from the rest of that milieu.

 

[phork]

I'm all for CBD oil but you are completely mistaken about the bolded. Most medical marijuana has incredibly high THC, usually companies will perform an extraction to remove the CBD from the rest of that milieu.

It depends what you want. THC and CBD are used for various items but I guarantee that the CBD is not removed.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

It depends what you want. THC and CBD are used for various items but I guarantee that the CBD is not removed.

Huh? The CBD is most definitely extracted in CBD oils. Now if you're buying the cannabis flower, then you're getting whatever that phenotype expresses.

Most medical marijuana tests int he 14-25% THC range. Compare that to just 30 years ago where they say it was much, much lower.

You can certainly find various plants that express higher CBD but to act like they make up even 5% of the market share is mistaken.

 

[phork]

Huh? The CBD is most definitely extracted in CBD oils. Now if you're buying the cannabis flower, then you're getting whatever that phenotype expresses.

Most medical marijuana tests int he 14-25% THC range. Compare that to just 30 years ago where they say it was much, much lower.

You can certainly find various plants that express higher CBD but to act like they make up even 5% of the market share is mistaken.

CBD oil is medical marijuana... Extracted from marijuana plants...

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

CBD oil is medical marijuana... Extracted from marijuana plants...

Are you trolling me right now? Or are we having serious dialogue?

Most medical marijuana has very high THC and low CBD. Companies are capable of dissolving the plant into solution and using sophisticated methods of extraction to pull out the cannabinoids of interest. They can pull the THC or the CBD or both.

As stated, there are a few strains with high CBD but they represent a very small minority in the world of medical marijuana.

Are we on the same page? Or do you still have issue with what I'm saying/how I'm saying it?

 

[Legacy]

Coronavirus fuels marijuana industry’s push for online sales, delivery in Colorado
Now under Colorado's emergency rules, customers can pay for marijuana online and then pick up their purchase at the store.

 

[Free Manera]

Nationwide legalization is the real stimulus package we need.

 

[yankeehater]

Nationwide legalization is the real stimulus package we need.

If that were the case, then why is California still broke?

 

[Free Manera]

If that were the case, then why is California still broke?

They're doing it wrong.

 

[yankeehater]

They're doing it wrong.

Just like socialism, it has never been done right in the past is the problem.

 

[Legacy]

The real reasons the Karens are defending their constitutional rights to not wear masks.