VOTE Election day 11/04/2014

[ickythump1225]

 

[T Town Tommy]

Credit accounts? Phone contracts? Cashing checks? Dude...we're talking about the elderly and people in poverty. Believe it or not, a certain amount of them don't even have the means to do that.



I didn't say anything was unamerican. I said it was sadly very American. You know, disenfranchising minorities through election regulations. You're from the south, you know all about it.



The proof is right there though. A small number of people didn't vote because their ID expired. Most of them were Democrats.

I agree with you, it shouldn't be that big of a deal. That's why I said I'm not totally against it. But are you accepting that it is all a political game to stop a small amount of Democrats from voting? Because that's exactly what it is.



There is more irony in that statement than matter in the universe. We're talking about a fraud-free election for literally the epicenter of corruption on the planet. If our legislators we're interested in fine-tuning our government there are about a thousand other places to start. But, they're really not interested in that. They're interested in the game...win those elections!

So the only poor and old people in America are Democrats? Give me a break.

Having any number of forms of ID to vote is not in any way a hardship on anyone in the US these days. Young, old, rich, poor. What is a hardship is making it a requirement for those who want to vote illegal or vote multiple times. If you are against voter ID then I have to question you as to why. And don't play the old and poor crap. That don't work... most every legal resident in our great country has some form of ID. Period. Instead of saying it harms the poor and the old, make it to where it doesn't. Democrats can go to every nursing home, shelter, etc top get people registered. Can even bus them to the polls and "assist" then in voting. Why not take the bus and get them to where they can get their ID? Makes too much sense I guess.

Your swipe against the South is even more ridiculous. There has been more BS voting in your great state of Ohio than anywhere in the South less maybe Florida where the Democrats tried to steal the 2000 election. I would suggest you work on cleaning up Ohio instead of bashing any other state/region. Start with the lady who went to jail for voting for Obama numerous times. Geez.

 

[Irish YJ]

So the only poor and old people in America are Democrats? Give me a break.

Having any number of forms of ID to vote is not in any way a hardship on anyone in the US these days. Young, old, rich, poor. What is a hardship is making it a requirement for those who want to vote illegal or vote multiple times. If you are against voter ID then I have to question you as to why. And don't play the old and poor crap. That don't work... most every legal resident in our great country has some form of ID. Period. Instead of saying it harms the poor and the old, make it to where it doesn't. Democrats can go to every nursing home, shelter, etc top get people registered. Can even bus them to the polls and "assist" then in voting. Why not take the bus and get them to where they can get their ID? Makes too much sense I guess.

Your swipe against the South is even more ridiculous. There has been more BS voting in your great state of Ohio than anywhere in the South less maybe Florida where the Democrats tried to steal the 2000 election. I would suggest you work on cleaning up Ohio instead of bashing any other state/region. Start with the lady who went to jail for voting for Obama numerous times. Geez.

 

[ickythump1225]

I didn't say anything was unamerican. I said it was sadly very American. You know, disenfranchising minorities through election regulations. You're from the south, you know all about it.

I don't know normally weigh in on political topics because I think politics are crooked-er than the CFP committee but the only thing that sums up my feelings towards sentiments like this is:

 

[T Town Tommy]

I don't know normally weigh in on political topics because I think politics are crooked-er than the CFP committee but the only thing that sums up my feelings towards sentiments like this is:

Funny he would take a jab at the South when his great state has a long history of voter fraud and voter suppression. Just sayin'

 

[pkt77242]

So the only poor and old people in America are Democrats? Give me a break.

Having any number of forms of ID to vote is not in any way a hardship on anyone in the US these days. Young, old, rich, poor. What is a hardship is making it a requirement for those who want to vote illegal or vote multiple times. If you are against voter ID then I have to question you as to why. And don't play the old and poor crap. That don't work... most every legal resident in our great country has some form of ID. Period. Instead of saying it harms the poor and the old, make it to where it doesn't. Democrats can go to every nursing home, shelter, etc top get people registered. Can even bus them to the polls and "assist" then in voting. Why not take the bus and get them to where they can get their ID? Makes too much sense I guess.

Your swipe against the South is even more ridiculous. There has been more BS voting in your great state of Ohio than anywhere in the South less maybe Florida where the Democrats tried to steal the 2000 election. I would suggest you work on cleaning up Ohio instead of bashing any other state/region. Start with the lady who went to jail for voting for Obama numerous times. Geez.

Yes most people have the proper ID but about 10% of eligible voters that don't have proper ID to vote. 10% and that number isn't spread out evenly, it is concentrated in the elderly and minorities. Think about that 1 in 10 eligible voters wouldn't be able to vote. That is how you want to fix in-person voter fraud that is virtually nonexistent (voter fraud exists but the type that ID laws hope to prevent is beyond miniscule. That is like killing an ant with a shotgun.

Debunking Misinformation on Photo ID | Brennan Center for Justice

 

[T Town Tommy]

Yes most people have the proper ID but about 10% of eligible voters that don't have proper ID to vote. 10% and that number isn't spread out evenly, it is concentrated in the elderly and minorities. Think about that 1 in 10 eligible voters wouldn't be able to vote. That is how you want to fix in-person voter fraud that is virtually nonexistent (voter fraud exists but the type that ID laws hope to prevent is beyond miniscule. That is like killing an ant with a shotgun.

Debunking Misinformation on Photo ID | Brennan Center for Justice

I am saying that the ground root efforts of both parties can fix whatever issues there are with people who do not have any form of ID. I am against laws that would limit the forms of IDs to only a few. But there are plenty of ways to get the proper IDs in peoples hands.

I do agree with your argument that the overwhelming majority of voter fraud is mail in, absentee, crooked pollsters, etc. And that should be fixed as well. ID requirement is only a small fraction of fraud. But one that still should be addressed.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yes most people have the proper ID but about 10% of eligible voters that don't have proper ID to vote. 10% and that number isn't spread out evenly, it is concentrated in the elderly and minorities. Think about that 1 in 10 eligible voters wouldn't be able to vote. That is how you want to fix in-person voter fraud that is virtually nonexistent (voter fraud exists but the type that ID laws hope to prevent is beyond miniscule. That is like killing an ant with a shotgun.

Debunking Misinformation on Photo ID | Brennan Center for Justice

for every one of those, there is one of these....

Washington, D.C. - A new report from the National Center for Public Policy Research finds the Brennan Center for Justice - one of the country's loudest opponents of voter integrity measures - to have a history of bias-driven research.

The report also discloses that the Brennan Center has received millions in funding from George Soros.

The report is the latest entry in the National Center's GroupSnoop.org series.

"The Brennan Center is on a mission to undermine support for voter integrity measures, claiming that state-level voter ID provisions will disfranchise millions of voters and that voter fraud rarely occurs. However, some of its major reports concerning voter ID measures and voter fraud are wrought with bias and have been refuted by election scholars," said National Center General Counsel Justin Danhof.

GroupSnoop.org is an educational website launched by the National Center in 2011 to provide candid, documented analysis of influential public policy-oriented non-profits. In the national debate over voter integrity measures, the Brennan Center is a prominent opponent of efforts to curb voter fraud and protect voters against identity theft. This new GroupSnoop.org profile shines some much-needed light onto the inner workings, funding and motivations of the Brennan Center.

The profile shows that the Brennan Center has a history of cherry-picking data that aligns with pre-determined conclusions that voter integrity measures, such as requiring a photo ID to vote, are actually efforts to disfranchise specific voting blocs. The Brennan Center appears to ignore or severely downplay data that are inconvenient for its theses.

For example, in November 2006, the Brennan Center published a widely cited report, "Citizens Without Proof," in which it claimed that 21 million adult Americans lack a photo ID, including 25 percent of black Americans. Election scholars with the Heritage Foundation evaluated the report and concluded that "y eschewing many of the traditional scientific methods of data collection and analysis, the authors of the Brennan Center study appear to have pursued results that advance a particular political agenda rather than the truth about voter identification."

The Brennan Center profile on GroupSnoop.org also exposes the advocacy group's close ties to George Soros, known for his prolific funding of explicitly left-wing organizations. Soros has a history of making contributions intended to influence American policymaking and elections. Soros reportedly spent an estimated $27.5 million during the 2004 election cycle in a failed effort to oust then-President George W. Bush.

"Further clouding the Brennan Center's reputation is that convicted felon George Soros' Open Society Foundations have funneled over seven million dollars to the Brennan Center since 2000," said Danhof. "It is no wonder the Brennan Center works so hard on a daily basis to provide intellectual ammunition to those fighting voter integrity measures."

Despite the Brennan Center's best effort to paint voter integrity measures as racially-charged barriers to voting, the American public strongly supports democratically-enacted voter ID laws at the state level to protect the value of their vote. In a recent Rasmussen poll, 73 percent of Americans supported voter ID laws.

As the Brennan Center continues its campaign against voter ID, a simple and effective way to protect against stolen votes, it is troubling that the media - which increasingly seeks to "fact-check" political speech - is not reporting that the Brennan Center is an advocacy organization. This need for scrutiny is increasingly important given that the Brennan Center is willing to say that lawmakers supporting ballot protection legislation do so out of racial animosity and political maneuvering.

This new GroupSnoop.org profile should change that narrative.

"Brennan Center work should be presented as opinion - if it is considered at all," said Danhof. "The Brennan Center is a George Soros-funded extreme advocacy group that appears willing to fight all meaningful efforts to combat voter fraud. It should be regarded as such."

The National Center for Public Policy Research is a conservative, free-market, non-profit think-tank established in 1982. It is supported by the voluntary gifts of over 100,000 individual recent supporters. In 2011, it received over 350,000 individual donations. Two percent of its revenue comes from corporate sources. Contributions to it are tax-deductible and greatly appreciated.

Is this accurate, or more partisan BS... I have about as much faith in this article as I do in anything published by Brennan.

 

[pkt77242]

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for every one of those, there is one of these....



Is this accurate, or more partisan BS... I have about as much faith in this article as I do in anything published by Brennan.

So they didn't actually attack the research though? Nice. They smeared the group and did nothing to actually debunk any of the research.

Anyways here is another article from the Philadelphia Inquirer who states that it is 9.2% in Pennsylvania.
Voter ID law may affect more Pennsylvanians than previously estimated - Philly.com

Now some of those might have a Passport or other ID that they can use but it is still going to be a higher number say 5%+.

 

[connor_in]

I propose we outlaw ID completely for all things

 

[T Town Tommy]

So they didn't actually attack the research though? Nice

Anyways here is another article from the Philadelphia Inquirer who states that it is 9.2% in Pennsylvania.
Voter ID law may affect more Pennsylvanians than previously estimated - Philly.com

Now some of those might have a Passport or other ID that they can use but it is still going to be a higher number say 5%+.

The law in Penn was passed in March. People have had over half a year to get one of the required IDs. Do I think the state could expand the types of IDs? Probably. But if a person doesn't have one of the many forms the law there requires, then shame on them. They are adults. They have had over half a year to do it. If you are poor or old... get someone to help you. Again, there are many organizations that go out and help assist people with voter registration. They could very easily help with obtaining a proper ID.

 

[Irish YJ]

So they didn't actually attack the research though? Nice. They smeared the group and did nothing to actually debunk any of the research.

Anyways here is another article from the Philadelphia Inquirer who states that it is 9.2% in Pennsylvania.
Voter ID law may affect more Pennsylvanians than previously estimated - Philly.com

Now some of those might have a Passport or other ID that they can use but it is still going to be a higher number say 5%+.

So no truth in their funding background?? SMH

Regarding your latest article, didn't read, but pretty sure Bob Warner a liberal beat writer. Gospel he said!!

 

[Irish YJ]

 

[pkt77242]

So no truth in their funding background?? SMH

Regarding your latest article, didn't read, but pretty sure Bob Warner a liberal beat writer. Gospel he said!!

But are the numbers correct. If the numbers are right who gives a shit if he is an alien.

No doubt that Soros donated money to them, and there is no doubt that they are liberal but if the numbers are accurate does that matter?

 

[Buster Bluth]

So the only poor and old people in America are Democrats? Give me a break.

I believe I've said that a disproportionate amount of them are Democrats, not all of them. Let's not be daft.

Having any number of forms of ID to vote is not in any way a hardship on anyone in the US these days. Young, old, rich, poor.

No, it's not a hard ship to 99.9% of people. It really isn't a big deal, just get a damn ID already. Pretty damn simple. Regardless, don't act like it didn't prevent people from voting in 2012 who otherwise would have legally voted. And don't act like the majority of those people didn't just happen to be Democrats. And don't act like the Republicans didn't know that that would be the case. Can I make it any clearer?

What is a hardship is making it a requirement for those who want to vote illegal or vote multiple times.

You see many of them? I don't. In fact I've elaborated on why I think such a scare tactic is ridiculous: it's a felony to do what you are saying, it's an practically nonexistent problem, and there is zero evidence that voter fraud would be prevented with voter ID laws.

If you are against voter ID then I have to question you as to why. And don't play the old and poor crap.

"Tell me why, but don't use that one reason. Ok go!"

That don't work... most every legal resident in our great country has some form of ID. Period.

What the fhell does "most every" mean? Which one is it? I think it's most, but you seem to argue that it's every. Sooo, you threw both words in?

Instead of saying it harms the poor and the old, make it to where it doesn't. Democrats can go to every nursing home, shelter, etc top get people registered. Can even bus them to the polls and "assist" then in voting. Why not take the bus and get them to where they can get their ID? Makes too much sense I guess.

Yeah, it makes too much sense. OR, now it'll cost the Democrats more to get their voters out. Still a slight win for the GOP. Mission: accomplished.

Your swipe against the South is even more ridiculous.

Let's put it in football terms...there are ten states in the SEC, seven of them have photo ID requirements. In the other forty states...seven. Hmmmm.

There has been more BS voting in your great state of Ohio than anywhere in the South less maybe Florida where the Democrats tried to steal the 2000 election. I would suggest you work on cleaning up Ohio instead of bashing any other state/region. Start with the lady who went to jail for voting for Obama numerous times. Geez.

So what you've brought up is 1) a problem that photo ID won't fix, and 2) a lady who was convicted and sent to jail. Sooooo....where's the problem chief?

 

[pkt77242]

The law in Penn was passed in March. People have had over half a year to get one of the required IDs. Do I think the state could expand the types of IDs? Probably. But if a person doesn't have one of the many forms the law there requires, then shame on them. They are adults. They have had over half a year to do it. If you are poor or old... get someone to help you. Again, there are many organizations that go out and help assist people with voter registration. They could very easily help with obtaining a proper ID.

I will say it again I am for some form of ID being presented but I think a strict photo ID requirement is crap. Let people bring a birth certificate or a social security card, etc.

Also the law in Penn was passed for partisan reasons not to prevent fraud. That is a problem. Laws like this are the equivalent of pulling over people going 2 miles an hour of the speed limit while ignoring the people robbing the bank down the street. It just doesn't make sense to tackle this as a way to prevent fraud when there are bigger fish to fry and it is being done in a partisan way instead of working together to pass reasonable laws.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I believe I've said that a disproportionate amount of them are Democrats, not all of them. Let's not be daft.



No, it's not a hard ship to 99.9% of people. It really isn't a big deal, just get a damn ID already. Pretty damn simple. Regardless, don't act like it didn't prevent people from voting in 2012 who otherwise would have legally voted. And don't act like the majority of those people didn't just happen to be Democrats. And don't act like the Republicans didn't know that that would be the case. Can I make it any clearer?



You see many of them? I don't. In fact I've elaborated on why I think such a scare tactic is ridiculous: it's a felony to do what you are saying, it's an practically nonexistent problem, and there is zero evidence that voter fraud would be prevented with voter ID laws.



"Tell me why, but don't use that one reason. Ok go!"



What the fhell does "most every" mean? Which one is it? I think it's most, but you seem to argue that it's every. Sooo, you threw both words in?



Yeah, it makes too much sense. OR, now it'll cost the Democrats more to get their voters out. Still a slight win for the GOP. Mission: accomplished.



Let's put it in football terms...there are ten states in the SEC, seven of them have photo ID requirements. In the other forty states...seven. Hmmmm.



So what you've brought up is 1) a problem that photo ID won't fix, and 2) a lady who was convicted and sent to jail. Sooooo....where's the problem chief?

Old Dominion recently did a report that estimated over one million people will vote in this midterm election that aren't citizens of this country. That doesn't bother you? It does me.

I go back to my main argument here. Voter ID requirement is only a small portion of the bigger problem. But it is one that is probably more easily fixed. Will it require some effort? Sure. But the grass roots of both political parties can make it happen.

It appears you want - out of the goodness of your heart - for just anyone to walk up and vote. At least that's what I take. And I - out of the goodness of my heart - want the electoral process to be free of fraud and suppression.

Together we can get this done Buster. You can drive the bus around to the poor and elderly and I can assist them getting on and off the bus to get their IDs. Hell... I will even throw in a couple of hundred to help cover some of the costs.

 

[Irish YJ]

But are the numbers correct. If the numbers are right who gives a shit if he is an alien.

No doubt that Soros donated money to them, and there is no doubt that they are liberal but if the numbers are accurate does that matter?

Do I believe that their data, and methodology is correct? Well I'll just say as the story points out, you can cherry pick info, you can use data that supports an already formed conclusion, and you can ignore data that doesn't support your conclusion.

And as I said, I trust the article I posted as much as I do the Brennan report.

And here's the thing... why would I trust an organization like Brennan, who claims to be non-partisan, that is obviously a liberal group. F'ing amazing.

 

[GoldenDomer]

This senate race has the blood pumping. 6 more till we have control!

 

[Irish YJ]

From Brennan's website. And keep in mind the school itself is about as liberal as liberal can be.

Our Mission

Justice Brennan

The Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law is a nonpartisan law and policy institute that seeks to improve our systems of democracy and justice. We work to hold our political institutions and laws accountable to the twin American ideals of democracy and equal justice for all. The Center’s work ranges from voting rights to campaign finance reform, from ending mass incarceration to preserving Constitutional protection in the fight against terrorism. Part think-tank, part advocacy group, part cutting-edge communications hub, we start with rigorous research. We craft innovative policies. And we fight for them — in Congress and the states, the courts, and in the court of public opinion.

Nothing worse than a partisan group misrepresenting themselves as a non-partisan organization. Who the F are they trying to fool. Puts the F in Fraud...

 

[IrishInFl]

Ballot amendment number two failed to get a super majority needed to pass. The demographics to that vote was that the voters 65 years or older decided the vote. Every other age group passed it with ease. It will get legalized, just not for about 10 years.

 

[ickythump1225]

All this Team Red vs Team Blue s**t is ridiculous. Even if you were born on the day George W. Bush was elected you should have enough experience with politics to realize that the difference between Red and Blue is a difference without a distinction. Honestly how is Obama that much different than Bush? How were Romney's positions that different than Obama's? It is all a giant circle jerk and the only thing that changes is things get worse.

None of this is to say that I don't have ideas or philosophies of governance I care about and agree with but I know a rigged game when I see one.

 

[GoIrish41]

Ballot amendment number two failed to get a super majority needed to pass. The demographics to that vote was that the voters 65 years or older decided the vote. Every other age group passed it with ease. It will get legalized, just not for about 10 years.

What was the amendment?

 

[GoIrish41]

All this Team Red vs Team Blue s**t is ridiculous. Even if you were born on the day George W. Bush was elected you should have enough experience with politics to realize that the difference between Red and Blue is a difference without a distinction. Honestly how is Obama that much different than Bush? How were Romney's positions that different than Obama's? It is all a giant circle jerk and the only thing that changes is things get worse.

None of this is to say that I don't have ideas or philosophies of governance I care about and agree with but I know a rigged game when I see one.

Huge difference between obamacare and romneycare. Lol

 

[ACamp1900]

Looks like LAXs boy is going to hold on in Virginia...

 

[pkt77242]

From Brennan's website. And keep in mind the school itself is about as liberal as liberal can be.






Nothing worse than a partisan group misrepresenting themselves as a non-partisan organization. Who the F are they trying to fool. Puts the F in Fraud...

Their website lists the three major areas they work on and 2 do seem to be pretty liberal but the third has a somewhat libertarian feel mixed with some liberalism.

Liberty & National Security Program

Our nation and its people must be kept safe from terrorism. At the same time, policies to protect safety are strongest when they honor core constitutional values. All systems – no matter how necessary – improve when they are held accountable. Unfortunately, in the years since 9/11, too often our national security system has tilted away from that critical balance.

The Brennan Center seeks effective national security policies that respect constitutional values and the rule of law while protecting our people. The Brennan Center works to:

Restore the Proper Flow of Information Between the Government and the People
In a free democracy, information about governmental actions should be presumptively available to the people, while personal information about law-abiding Americans and U.S. residents should be presumptively off-limits to the government. Increasingly, this principle is upended. The Brennan Center works to restore the proper balance by securing increased public access to government information and sensible limits on the government’s access to citizen information.

Ensure that Policies Effectively Target the Terrorist Threat
Many recent domestic policies are too broad in scope, focusing law enforcement resources and scrutiny on people whose connection to terrorism is tenuous or even non-existent. The failure to properly target counterterrorism efforts not only intrudes on individual liberties – it opens the door to ethnic and religious profiling, and makes us less safe by diverting focus from more productive paths. The Brennan Center works to recalibrate domestic counterterrorism policies so that they properly target the threat we face.

Secure Appropriate Mechanisms for Oversight and Accountability
A lack of institutional oversight mechanisms has left the government’s exercise of its post-9/11 powers largely unsupervised; enabling abuses and leading to less effective counterterrorism policies. The Brennan Center is pursuing innovative institutional solutions to this oversight gap.

 

[T Town Tommy]

What was the amendment?

I think it was legalizing pot.

 

[GoIrish41]

I think it was legalizing pot.

Thanks

 

[BGIF]

GOP one seat from Senate majority - CNN.com

111/4/14
10:53 pm EST

(CNN) -- Republicans are one seat away from claiming a Senate majority that would give the party full control of Capitol Hill, according to a CNN projection.

So far on Tuesday night, Republicans have picked up Democratic-held seats in Colorado, Montana, South Dakota, Arkansas and West Virginia. CNN also projects Republicans will maintain their grip on the House of Representatives.

The race is now boiling down to a tense duel over the seats in Iowa, Alaska, North Carolina and -- in a major surprise -- Virginia. The math could change, however, if Republicans lose a competitive Senate seat in Kansas.

 

[BGIF]

Sen. Roberts survives challenge in Kansas Senate race, Fox News projects | Fox News

Fox News projects that three-term Republican Sen. Pat Roberts will survive the political scare of his life by beating independent challenger Greg Orman in Kansas.

His victory brings a huge sigh of relief to Republicans, whose plans to take control of the Senate would have been made more difficult by a Democratic pickup in Kansas.

Republicans technically have picked up six Senate seats, which is all they need to take control of the Senate. But they still need to retain the GOP-held seat in Georgia, or win elsewhere, to achieve that.