USC & UCLA to the Big Ten

[BilboBaggins]

A politician posturing?! Good heavens!

 

[GATTACA!]

This fucking clown. California governor Gavin Newsom demands UCLA explain how leaving Pac-12 for Big Ten is beneficial

 

[IrishLax]

It does actually kinda fuck over the rest of the UC system. But also... they deserve it?

 

[Bluto]

The UC system doesn’t really need “big time” football. Particularly given the semi pro direction things are headed. If I’m remembering correctly only Cal and UCLA have teams in the FBS. It’s not like people are gonna stop applying if they’re not fielding D1 football teams.

If anyone is a “moron” in all this it’s the decision makers at Cal who went deep into debt for the stadium renovation and the associated athletic center.

 

[stpeteirish]

The UC system doesn’t really need “big time” football. Particularly given the semi pro direction things are headed. If I’m remembering correctly only Cal and UCLA have teams in the FBS. It’s not like people are gonna stop applying if they’re not fielding D1 football teams.

If anyone is a “moron” in all this it’s the decision makers at Cal who went deep into debt for the stadium renovation and the associated athletic center.

There 5 schools in the "UC system" in FBS. Fresno St, San Jose St and San Diego St are all FBS. The "new FBS" or whatever they will call it, will only have two. And if they don't spend $ they won't even make the cut. They'll get the money back in TV money if they're in the top 30-50 after realignment.

 

[phillyirish]

There 5 schools in the "UC system" in FBS. Fresno St, San Jose St and San Diego St are all FBS. The "new FBS" or whatever they will call it, will only have two. And if they don't spend $ they won't even make the cut. They'll get the money back in TV money if they're in the top 30-50 after realignment.

Those 3 fall under the California State University system, which is different from the UC system.

 

[Bluto]

Those 3 fall under the California State University system, which is different from the UC system.

That is correct and while Cal and UCLA are the “flagships” it has little to do with anything sports related at this point. Both could take it down a notch in terms of football and still accomplish their mission in my opinion. Maybe both should focus more on basketball?

 

[Irish#1]

That is correct and while Cal and UCLA are the “flagships” it has little to do with anything sports related at this point. Both could take it down a notch in terms of football and still accomplish their mission in my opinion. Maybe both should focus more on basketball?

You would think a governor for a state known for having economic problems would welcome some additional funding.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

You would think a governor for a state known for having economic problems would welcome some additional funding.

My governor is all virtue signaling, no cattle.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

 

[Bluto]

You would think a governor for a state known for having economic problems would welcome some additional funding.

The state on the macro level doesn’t have “economic problems” per se. It’s been a massive economic engine for decades and in all likelihood will continue to be.

It does have structural issues in regards to decision making which date back to the tax revolt of the 70’s, Prop 13 and a bunch of ballot propositions that have piled up over the years. Newsome et al certainly play a part in the continuation of that dysfunction.

Anyhow, as far as chasing additional revenue vis a vis football that seems like a fools errand given the spending arms race that seems to be kicking off. That revenue supports the other “Olympic sports” and not much else based on my understanding. In the specific case of the UC’s it’s debatable how much that benefits these institutions and the system as a whole in terms of their core mission.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

You would think a governor for a state known for having economic problems would welcome some additional funding.

California is one of the biggest economies in the world, had an almost $100 billion budget surplus last year, and is one of the least federally dependent states in the country.

 

[dad4aa]

California is one of the biggest economies in the world, had an almost $100 billion budget surplus last year, and is one of the least federally dependent states in the country.

I would like to see your data bc everything I have ever read has California with the most people on government assistance besides Michigan which is the welfare wonderland.

 

[stlnd01]

I would like to see your data bc everything I have ever read has California with the most people on government assistance besides Michigan which is the welfare wonderland.

It’s complicated because different states have such different eligibility requirements for different programs. But, for instance, this here says that 10 percent of California’s population receives food stamps (SNAP). Less than the national average of 12 percent.

Food Stamp Benefits by State 2026

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[Armyirish47]

I would like to see your data bc everything I have ever read has California with the most people on government assistance besides Michigan which is the welfare wonderland.

States Most Dependent on the Federal Government - 2022 Edition - SmartAsset

To find out which states are most dependent on the federal government, SmartAsset analyzed and compared data for all 50 states across a series of metrics.

smartasset.com

California Expects a Record Budget Surplus of Nearly $100 Billion (Published 2022)

Gov. Gavin Newsom proposes widespread cash rebates, bonuses for health care workers and free transit.

www.nytimes.com

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

California is a homeless camp with Rich people sprinkled in. Part of LA and Bakersfield look like 3rd world nation. Congrats on being a rich state, but the amount of poverty and infrastructure failure is shocking. I am a lifetime Californian.

 

[irish2104]

I would like to see your data bc everything I have ever read has California with the most people on government assistance besides Michigan which is the welfare wonderland.

Wow yeah ur 100 off and not even close it’s like the 5-8th largest economy in the world… and had a budget surplus and subsidizes lots of other states with its tax revenue

 

[phillyirish]

Looking at any category you can imagine, California will lead with “the most people” duh cause it’s the biggest state population by a sizable margin. California is pretty average when it comes to welfare and food stamp rates. Where is does more poorly is in homelessness where it contains over 1/4 of all US homeless people. Although, NY and DC have higher rates.

 

[BilboBaggins]

California is a homeless camp with Rich people sprinkled in. Part of LA and Bakersfield look like 3rd world nation. Congrats on being a rich state, but the amount of poverty and infrastructure failure is shocking. I am a lifetime Californian.

Anecdotes are neat but California would be the world's fifth biggest economy by itself (US, China, Japan, Germany.... California) and is home to numerous industries that are actively changing the world. It's an extremely rich state with a lot of homeless people stashed under freeways and clogging public parks and streets.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Looking at any category you can imagine, California will lead with “the most people” duh cause it’s the biggest state population by a sizable margin. California is pretty average when it comes to welfare and food stamp rates. Where is does more poorly is in homelessness where it contains over 1/4 of all US homeless people. Although, NY and DC have higher rates.

The crazy thing about California is that the state would be booming even moreso if they reformed their zoning and property tax issues. A state-mandated transit-oriented development requirement for the Bay Area and Southern California, that finally destroyed the supremacy of R1 zoning, would unleash a torrent of urban real estate investment. Complicated problem for a large number of reasons but California is handicapping itself and is still an economic juggernaut.

But if they accomplished that they'd solve one of the homelessness factors and the reason people have to leave California.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Some preconceived notions seem to be operating here (not that I actually give a damm about the non-football topic --- but the out of real world claiming of things always grates on my old "teacher's sense" of eradicating errors.) These statistics are easy to locate on the internet. Fair comparisons have a better chance of real world legitimacy if they are based on amounts per population in this issue rather than on raw bulk dollars.

As to Food Stamps (2020 stats --- something this big needs usually a year or two to come in with any validity): California is nowhere near the Top-Ten. Those states are: NM/ WV/ LA/ MS/ OK/ AL/ IL/ OR/ PA/ RI. I note, since IE screamers always run to politics, that both "colors" of states are in this category. California ranks 31st. Michigan ranks 20th. Michigan once WAS welfare wonderland. The erosion of that title started twenty years ago. Just look at Benton Harbor if one does not believe that.

States however do not simply dole out federal assistance, but many states have other programs which their legislatures have decided is in the better interest of their citizens. So when you add State-specific supplements in, what do you get? Alaska has far and away the highest supplemental programs per citizen. The next nine are MA/ NY/ RI/ NM/ VT/ CA/ DE/ MN/ WV. Michigan, showing it's strong REJECTION of its former title is ranked 33rd. KY/ OR/ LA/ ME/ OH/ AR/ MD/ PA/ AZ/ MS. are all ranked well above.

One can decry any of these states having supplemental programs (they ALL do so it's a matter of admitting that the situations are complex and everyone realizes that SOME support is valid) or one could view these programs as responsible government. The point is, it's good to actually know something about what one is talking about.

... as to the problem of LA: one should ask oneself about one's personal drug use, plus one's stance on the level one is willing to weaponize the LA police, before trying to place blame in THAT God-Awful situation. I remember one LA chief saying that there was no sense sending police into certain areas because the gangs were too wealthy and too well-armed. ... given what the on-the-ground professionals say, it's astounding the simplistic naive (or just prejudiced) comments that are flung around about something as hard and ingrained as this.

 

[Irish#1]

Didn’t mean to turn this into a discussion on California economics. Lol

 

[Old Man Mike]

Well, you did.
That's a $50 fine.
Pay Beau.

 

[Old Man Mike]

 

[pumpdog20]

maybe something to watch



*in regards to PAC 12 Media Days

 

[INLaw]

maybe something to watch



*in regards to PAC 12 Media Days

And it’s gone

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

maybe something to watch



*in regards to PAC 12 Media Days

What did it say?

 

[pumpdog20]

That the UW and Oregon ADs weren't at PAC 12 media days... maybe they were caught in traffic