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I live in SEC country. Most of these folks grew up around theseteams wearing team colors their parents bought them as children. They are not retarded. Well, some are.

And yes, the women down here are amazing. My dermotologist could easily replace Erin Anddrews and no one would miss her. And if I showed you a pic of my kids teachers you might think they many are hooters waitresses.

Most of them, however, have no appreciation for what getting a quality education for these players really means. As previously mentioned, they just win.
 

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Matt Barkley has torn pecs it looks like and might be done for the season. Because it is before August... very interested to see what happens here. He's a senior.

now THIS would interest me....

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Devon Kennard has torn pecs it looks like and might be done for the season. Because it is before August... very interested to see what happens here. He's a senior.

Kiffen will probably just push the kid out and get a PSU player.
 

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Devon Kennard has torn pecs it looks like and might be done for the season. Because it is before August... very interested to see what happens here. He's a senior.

Wow. That might be all Silas Redd needs to jump on board.
 

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Wow. That might be all Silas Redd needs to jump on board.

Senior starter for them at DE. Definitely not the sort of trade-off they were hoping to make for Silas. I also doubt they'd drop the scholarship of a starting senior this close to the season.
 

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Senior starter for them at DE. Definitely not the sort of trade-off they were hoping to make for Silas. I also doubt they'd drop the scholarship of a starting senior this close to the season.

I don't doubt anything shady when it comes to that steaming pile of turds Kiffin.
 

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I don't doubt anything shady when it comes to that steaming pile of turds Kiffin.

I'll be the last one to defend Kiffin-- I'm sure he'll pull Massington's scholarship to make room for Silas-- but screwing Kennard over is the type of thing that would sow discord in the lockerroom. He's slimy, but he ain't that stupid.
 
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I'll be the last one to defend Kiffin-- I'm sure pull Massington's scholarship to make room for Silas-- but screwing Kennard over is the type of thing that would sow discord in the lockerroom. He's slimy, but he ain't that stupid.

Oh, this poor kid's scholarship is GONE. He just probably doesn't know it yet.
 

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I'll be the last one to defend Kiffin-- I'm sure he'll pull Massington's scholarship to make room for Silas-- but screwing Kennard over is the type of thing that would sow discord in the lockerroom. He's slimy, but he ain't that stupid.

1. This is the type of thing that I keep telling people can bring down USC, and why I have them losing 2-3 games this year (but I have them beating us unless our corners take a HUGE leap forward.) They are already down to 75 b/c of sanctions, and now add injuries to Kenard and Madden and they're down to 73. And they have an incoming O-lineman by the name of Jordan Simmons who has a bad knee injury that hasn't been reported yet, and that makes them down to 72, and we haven't even started August yet.

When Kiffy-boy had scholly issues his first year, he couldn’t do his marathon 3 hour practices that he LOVES to use (just ask the Raiders, who went to the union to complain about them), and he couldn’t hit at all, because he was so scared of more injuries. And they sucked his first year. Then last year, with 85 players, they had an outstanding year as Kiffy got to do his marathon practices like he likes.

So what is he going to do this year? Not hit? Not go long in practices? I keep telling people, the 75 limit hurts practice more than anything, b/c you risk burning guys out by having to give them too many reps (not enough back-ups). Tackling = injury risk. Not tackling = rust and poor form. This is a HUGE problem for Kiffy that no one is talking about!

2. For those asking, they have a lot of talent at that position to fill in…but VERY unproven and inexperienced talent. Morgan Breslin, Kevin Greene, Leonard Williams, Charles Burks and Greg Townsend Jr. – none of them have done anything at the D1 level yet. This is a HUGE blow for USC, unless two of these guys can step up. Yes, 2, b/c when you play teams that play the spread, you need multiple guys to play b/c they will burn your *** out if you don’t rotate players (see: USC’s defense in 2010).

3. Kennard will count against this year’s number of 75. He’ll either redshirt and come back or go pro (he’s already in grad school), but he will remain on scholly.

4. Massington is lucky to have a scholly right now, considering the circumstances and the school. He went to the Tennessee camp behind their backs (and if you are committed to a school already – why are you camping at another school in hopes of impressing their coaches?????) and got hurt. He called the coaches right away cause he knew he effed up. They say they are going to honor his scholly, but like you guys, I wouldn’t be surprised if they yanked it in the end.
 
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How people can be a fan of this team (or SEC teams) is beyond me.

I am trying not to be offended by this statement particularly the SEC portion as well as some of the other "retarded fan" posts even with wink faces and all. So I will as tactfully state as I can, considering the fact that my wife graduated from Georgia, and half my family has graduated from USC Gamecocks, that all have gone onto sucsessful careers in their respective fields. All are smart and love ther university for many reasons not least of all the athletic department, but mostly the community and the schools themselves. They love their alma mater as much as the alums here love ND (and probably some of those who never attended ND). That being said, I dont have to sit here and defend the quality of education in some (not all departments) of SEC or ACC schools, or any school for that matter, but a few examples inlcude Clemson having s a bioengineering deparment that pioneered physically printing 3-D human tissue structures, using an HP printer, such as a heart valve that actually pumps and works and So Car. has a perenial top 10 international School of Business. My sister graduated from the highly rated So. Car Nursing program and had her choice of places to go, and she was a fan of the football team as well (gasp!)

Are you going to find the "backwoods billy" on message boards and in the stands on game day.... yeah you are, but the generalized statements of fan retardation and acceptance of corrupt morals are patently false at their core, and display an overvwhelming degree of arrogance and pomposity. As I have said before as regards football, it is a business and is by its very nature amoral. They are playing by the rules set forth by the NCAA and stretching them in most cases where possible to gain a competitive adavantage. ND chooses not to do these things at their own peril and is why I think they may never truly challenge for a national title. (I would love to be wrong though).

In the real business world, if we were talking Wall Street and their derivatives or Apple and their business methods, yall would not have a problem with the same type of stuff but actually celebrate it.

As pertains to USC pulling schollys, "buyer be ware right?"

This could be a used as a recruiting tool. At ND you get a 4-year scholly not a "maybe 1-year if your lucky scholly."
 

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how is going over the 25 schollies set by the NCAA not cheating? oh thats right, because the conference itself allows it and knows that nothing will happen. Its like stealing something from a store knowing you wont get caught, its still illegal.
 

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I am trying not to be offended by this statement particularly the SEC portion as well as some of the other "retarded fan" posts even with wink faces and all. So I will as tactfully state as I can, considering the fact that my wife graduated from Georgia, and half my family has graduated from USC Gamecocks, that all have gone onto sucsessful careers in their respective fields. All are smart and love ther university for many reasons not least of all the athletic department, but mostly the community and the schools themselves. They love their alma mater as much as the alums here love ND (and probably some of those who never attended ND). That being said, I dont have to sit here and defend the quality of education in some (not all departments) of SEC or ACC schools, or any school for that matter, but a few examples inlcude Clemson having s a bioengineering deparment that pioneered physically printing 3-D human tissue structures, using an HP printer, such as a heart valve that actually pumps and works and So Car. has a perenial top 10 international School of Business. My sister graduated from the highly rated So. Car Nursing program and had her choice of places to go, and she was a fan of the football team as well (gasp!)

Are you going to find the "backwoods billy" on message boards and in the stands on game day.... yeah you are, but the generalized statements of fan retardation and acceptance of corrupt morals are patently false at their core, and display an overvwhelming degree of arrogance and pomposity. As I have said before as regards football, it is a business and is by its very nature amoral. They are playing by the rules set forth by the NCAA and stretching them in most cases where possible to gain a competitive adavantage. ND chooses not to do these things at their own peril and is why I think they may never truly challenge for a national title. (I would love to be wrong though).

In the real business world, if we were talking Wall Street and their derivatives or Apple and their business methods, yall would not have a problem with the same type of stuff but actually celebrate it.

As pertains to USC pulling schollys, "buyer be ware right?"

This could be a used as a recruiting tool. At ND you get a 4-year scholly not a "maybe 1-year if your lucky scholly."

I think its safe to say nobody here is attacking based on non-football student and/or their programs at these universities. All these schools do great work the problem is most student-atheletes are never a part of it, from just taking easy courses or fake ones like at UNC, the SEC has gotten a reputation of not holding up the student part of the equation.
 
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how is going over the 25 schollies set by the NCAA not cheating? oh thats right, because the conference itself allows it and knows that nothing will happen. Its like stealing something from a store knowing you wont get caught, its still illegal.

It would be illegal if they sign over 25 as far as i know... I have not heard of anyone actually violating this rule though, though I admit I do not follow all of the NCAA DIV I football team signings. Can you provide me some evidence that a team oversinged above the 25 allowed?

I think I remember Miami or Alabama having like 31 players in a recruiting class at one time but I dont think they actually signed all 31. I may be wrong, but that certainly would be illegal, but taking over 25 commitments and signing only 25 is not. Not the right thing to do in my opinion but ... but my opinion isnt worth much.

Even with USCs sanctions they will probably pull the scholly's of other players to meet their #s but I doubt they will oversign..... Someone will have to go...... I have heard of Georgia taking commitments and not having space but sending them to JUCO to play and bringing them in if there is room next season or to cover injuries and things.... Schools do different things to be competitive.
 

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It would be illegal if they sign over 25 as far as i know... I have not heard of anyone actually violating this rule though, though I admit I do not follow all of the NCAA DIV I football team signings. Can you provide me some evidence that a team oversinged above the 25 allowed?

The Oversigning Cup- 2011. Note which conference all the teams at the top of the board belong to.
 

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Thanks. I appreciate the link and it is duly noted and bookmarked. How does the NCAA allow this then and if that is the case why arent more teams doing it? There must be some loophole being used.

Im pretty sure its the "As long as you raise our revenues well let it fly" loophole.
 

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Thanks. I appreciate the link and it is duly noted and bookmarked. How does the NCAA allow this then and if that is the case why arent more teams doing it? There must be some loophole being used.

We're very familiar with them. EEs count against the prior year's class, so that's one easy way to circumvent the 25-per-class max. Aside from that, it's the usual combination of dirty tricks to push underperformers out the door: (1) "undisclosed violations of team rules"; (2) sudden academic ineligibility; (3) gray-shirting; and/or (4) discreetly letting it be known that X player will never see the field, and should "voluntarily" transfer.

So it's not really about programs blatantly violating hard class caps (it's difficult to get away with that sort of thing). It's more about how they treat the bottom third of their rosters. Those kids have no security, and are regularly kicked the curb (in unethical but technically legal ways) in order to make room for the next 4:s: recruit.

That's how 'Bama gets away with signing 120+ plus kids, when they're only allowed to carry 85, over a 4-year period. That's an entire class worth of extra recruits, which grants them a massive advantage over programs like ND that honor their scholarship commitments and the spirit of amateurism in college athletics.

The dominance of SEC football has been built on these kinds of practices.
 
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WTF? I dont spend half my day posting for it to only disappear.
 

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What did you lose?

Like a 15 post convo between he and I about ethical concerns in recruiting and how programs are ran versus how the NCAA should close the over-signing loop holes. The old college football as business versus college football as amateur sport debate. It was quite civil and informative.

Guess the mods didn't think a discussion on unethical practices in recruiting/college football fit the USC recruiting thread. I don't know how but it's not my job to decide, I just post baby.

We even brought up Matt Leinhart. SMH
 
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Like a 15 post convo between he and I about ethical concerns in recruiting and how programs are ran versus how the NCAA should close the over-signing loop holes. The old college football as business versus college football as amateur sport debate. It was quite civil and informative.

Guess the mods didn't think a discussion on unethical practices in recruiting/college football fit the USC recruiting thread. I don't know how but it's not my job to decide, I just post baby.

We even brought up Matt Leinhart. SMH

yeah what he said. And it was ballroom dancing....2 credit hours, that doesnt even qualify as a part time student.....;)
 

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Maybe I should put a joke post that was clearly after my own more serious response in colored font next time... You know, so as not to offend anyone...


Really?
 
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