UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

[Lberry]

What does Neil Tyson do to debunk the radar. So if they are being witnessed and documented on radar that's not just eye witness testimony. Neil Tyson is a big fish in a fish bowl compared to the universe. To have to see an Alien is just being a debunker. No drones can do these maneuvers. It's fun to play the " This is guy is smarter than Most"
So I'm just going to adopt his opinion because I'm not capable of actually looking into the data and witness testimony no matter what I'm told.

Blue pill helps you sleep at night

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Very well said. Original thinking is hard and costs you points with the nose bleed section. Following is cheap and easy.

 

[arahop]

Here's Avi Loeb ( Harvard and every bit as intelligent) Neil's not even entertaining the the scientific method. Pre- programed opinions are just opinions.
He crushes Neil



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[Lberry]

Here's Avi Loeb ( Harvard and every bit as intelligent) Neil's not even entertaining the the scientific method. Pre- programed opinions are just opinions.
He crushes Neil



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Neil Tyson proved he's a propoganda hack when he went on video saying people who didn't get the shitty covid vaccines shouldn't be allowed to travel.

He's a well spoken, hand chosen hack.

 

[Irishdrunk]

So we have films of Bigfoot does that mean he actually fucking exist? Oh my God you guys really believe there are UFOs???

What about the Easter bunny?

 

[Irishdrunk]

Avi talks more nonsense. We have been searching for years for intelligent southside earth, and have never found a thing. There’s astronomers around the globe with radar and telescopes and nothing nothing. A couple films I could easily be doctored just like Bigfoot.

It’s all such a joke

 

[Lberry]

Avi talks more nonsense. We have been searching for years for intelligent southside earth, and have never found a thing. There’s astronomers around the globe with radar and telescopes and nothing nothing. A couple films I could easily be doctored just like Bigfoot.

It’s all such a joke

Believing "we've never found a thing" because you believe they'd tell you the truth is an IQ reveal.

There's evidence everywhere if you look. Personal videos shared daily, all ignored by MSM and government. Former intelligence people all saying it's known and real. Hell you can watch Skin Walker Ranch, probably the most easy transition for someone who's never really looked, and see 7 different UFOs in broad day light, blue skies.

It's cool if people don't care and or don't look, but to take the time to say "we've never found a thing" because the government has downplayed it thus far is looney.

 

[arahop]

Believing "we've never found a thing" because you believe they'd tell you the truth is an IQ reveal.

There's evidence everywhere if you look. Personal videos shared daily, all ignored by MSM and government. Former intelligence people all saying it's known and real. Hell you can watch Skin Walker Ranch, probably the most easy transition for someone who's never really looked, and see 7 different UFOs in broad day light, blue skies.

It's cool if people don't care and or don't look, but to take the time to say "we've never found a thing" because the government has downplayed it thus far is looney.

I'm fine with skeptics. But to say I need to see an Alien or have it land on the Whitehouse lawn is nonsense.

What I fine funny are the pre-programmed responses with non researched opinions.

My favorite debunker or skepticism is the the it would take them forever to get here by the speed of light.

#1 we don't know where they come from
#2 we don't have a mastery of physics
#3 the phenomenon has been around for at least 80 years if not forever.
#4 we have no idea what they actually are
Ie, Alien, interdimensional, outside of our perceived spectrum, always have been here, our creators, manipulation of space/physics/time.
#5 it could be some or even all of the above


The nothing to see here crowd just doesn't fly anymore. If you're uncomfortable with it because of theology or beliefs that's fine. But it doesn't mean that it's not happening because we can't explain it.

We can't explain something we have little to no understanding of. This is why serious data and research is important.

Imagine hearing that there are billions of unaccounted for Money is being funneled to private programs and not wanting to investigate. People should want to take a flamethrower to what is happening IMO

If this were a different subject entirely, most people would be outside of their governments yesterday demanding others and refusing to pay another dollar to taxes. We would demand an answer





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[Bishop2b5]

I'm fine with skeptics. But to say I need to see an Alien or have it land on the Whitehouse lawn is nonsense.

You're completely missing the point of the skeptics. Not ONE SPECK of the evidence that the "It's aliens" side has produced is unambiguous or backed up by evidence that isn't easily faked or misinterpreted. "I saw" or "I know someone who saw" or fuzzy, grainy video that's EASILY faked, or "We got some sort of radar hit that we can't explain" are all WAY short of solid, irrefutable, unambiguous evidence. None of what you have would pass a genuine scientific peer review, thus why you don't get the claims & conclusions of "It's definitely aliens" taken seriously or published in any of the top scientific journals. It wouldn't be enough to convict someone in court. It wouldn't be enough to get a new medicine approved. It wouldn't be enough to get funding for a project. It's not enough to convince anyone with a speck of critical thinking.

I understand you believe, and that's fine. But the rest of us who aren't convinced by flimsy, ambiguous evidence don't need an alien spacecraft to land in our backyard or on the White House grounds. We just want the same solid evidence we'd need to believe any other scientific claim. Right now, all you have is a lot of unsupported claims and vivid imaginations without a single bit of solid, tangible evidence to back it up. Show us something real that isn't open to being faked or misinterpreted.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Do you believe in Big Foot?

 

[NDRock]

You're completely missing the point of the skeptics. Not ONE SPECK of the evidence that the "It's aliens" side has produced is unambiguous or backed up by evidence that isn't easily faked or misinterpreted. "I saw" or "I know someone who saw" or fuzzy, grainy video that's EASILY faked, or "We got some sort of radar hit that we can't explain" are all WAY short of solid, irrefutable, unambiguous evidence. None of what you have would pass a genuine scientific peer review, thus why you don't get the claims & conclusions of "It's definitely aliens" taken seriously or published in any of the top scientific journals. It wouldn't be enough to convict someone in court. It wouldn't be enough to get a new medicine approved. It wouldn't be enough to get funding for a project. It's not enough to convince anyone with a speck of critical thinking.

I understand you believe, and that's fine. But the rest of us who aren't convinced by flimsy, ambiguous evidence don't need an alien spacecraft to land in our backyard or on the White House grounds. We just want the same solid evidence we'd need to believe any other scientific claim. Right now, all you have is a lot of unsupported claims and vivid imaginations without a single bit of solid, tangible evidence to back it up. Show us something real that isn't open to being faked or misinterpreted.

This is where I’m at. Could there be aliens flying around? Sure, but none of the evidence I’ve seen is so compelling that I think that is definitely the case.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I will not say much here. But there should be some clarity on a REALLY dumb English language (almost deliberately used as misdirection) misuse of a term.

"Intelligent" is one thing --- sort of a fundamental talent to "think" (i.e. analyze and synthesize and evaluate information/data.) BUT "smart" is another (i.e. actually having lots of pertinent learned information.) Without "smart", "intelligent" is useless. The fact that pop America constantly wallows these two words together does not, or should not, deflect from proper language exchanges.

DegrasseT is a classic "intelligent" but woefully NOT "smart" person on this topic. He is nearly bonehead ignorant of UFO knowledge. He demonstrates his ignorance of the field constantly. AND if he secretly DOES know the field, THEN he is either a deliberate liar about his views, or he is surprisingly NOT intellectually competent.

Saying that someone is "smarter than most" is way different than saying that someone is more "intelligent" than most. Frankly Degrasse on TV does not impress me even in the area of intelligence when compared with many of the professors I have known. But without really knowing him, I'll give him that part of it. He is apparently and obviously embarrassingly IGNORANT on this, and the only other hypothesis is that he is deliberately dishonest.

Carl Sagan, who I did somewhat now, was in some ways exactly like the latter. He began as an outspoken sympathetic before being slapped down by the Peer Group, and becoming a smear master in front of cameras while still showing interest in private. Why would he do this? BECAUSE IF UFOs GOT RESPECT they might easily get funding that would go to SETI. If good results occurred, then unless some congressional burst of science funding occurred, SETI IS OUT OF BUSINESS. Sagan and the SETIans KNEW THIS CLEARLY.

@#$$# I wish that people would wake up to this.

Having written all of this, I am forced again to state that I see no impressive evidence anywhere leading me to positive feelings about relating UFOs to South American jungle monsters, Nephilim, Pyramid builders, etc. So don't paint me with any of that.

 

[arahop]

You're completely missing the point of the skeptics. Not ONE SPECK of the evidence that the "It's aliens" side has produced is unambiguous or backed up by evidence that isn't easily faked or misinterpreted. "I saw" or "I know someone who saw" or fuzzy, grainy video that's EASILY faked, or "We got some sort of radar hit that we can't explain" are all WAY short of solid, irrefutable, unambiguous evidence. None of what you have would pass a genuine scientific peer review, thus why you don't get the claims & conclusions of "It's definitely aliens" taken seriously or published in any of the top scientific journals. It wouldn't be enough to convict someone in court. It wouldn't be enough to get a new medicine approved. It wouldn't be enough to get funding for a project. It's not enough to convince anyone with a speck of critical thinking.

I understand you believe, and that's fine. But the rest of us who aren't convinced by flimsy, ambiguous evidence don't need an alien spacecraft to land in our backyard or on the White House grounds. We just want the same solid evidence we'd need to believe any other scientific claim. Right now, all you have is a lot of unsupported claims and vivid imaginations without a single bit of solid, tangible evidence to back it up. Show us something real that isn't open to being faked or misinterpreted.

It might not even be Aliens it might be something even more mind blowing....



Here's the former director of NASA telling you otherwise. Believe what you want but you're absolutely wrong about no evidence. I'm good if you want to hide your head in the sand.

I get it you don't believe and the American South will be the last to jump on



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[arahop]

And you have been told there is evidence it's just classified.

There's certainly radar.
Certainly video that's classified
And unclassified
How do explain the Gamble, Go Fast, and Nimitz get video from the Navy that wasn't faked by the Navy

You were told that at the hearing that there is evidence that is within the hands of private and Military possession.

That evidence is highly classified and what the hearings purpose was. To uncover.

Don't come with " no shred of evidence"

Show me evidence of God then. Can you?

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[Bishop2b5]

It might not even be Aliens it might be something even more mind blowing....



Here's the former director of NASA telling you otherwise. Believe what you want but you're absolutely wrong about no evidence. I'm good if you want to hide your head in the sand.

I get it you don't believe and the American South will be the last to jump on



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Seriously, this is your "scientific" reply to my points? Not aliens, but something else? What? Angels? Demons? Another dimension? Science fiction and National Enquirer nonsense are why you don't get taken seriously. Stick to science and scientific evidence, no silly nonsense.

The former director of NASA's statement is suggesting China or other foreign powers, not aliens. Did you even read the article?

What does the American South have to do with any of this? Are you trying to suggest that since I'm from the South, that I'm ignorant? Seriously? Do you know my educational background? Do you grasp that I, a native Southerner, am sticking to the scientific method, not the dragons and bigfoot and wild imagination with no evidence approach? What a huge logical fallacy to dismiss someone's views because of where they're from, not the flaw in their view. That is seriously weak.

Bottom line, you simply cannot produce a single shred of tangible, verifiable, non-ambiguous, irrefutable evidence to back up your claims. Stop whining about skeptics who think you're gullible and full of BS. Produce some solid evidence.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Sam Hartman an ET?
He outta this world

 

[Ophiocordyceps]

Conspiracy theories about Steve Angeli being an alien can be put to rest. Yes, folks it’s confirmed he threw a pass.

 

[Bishop2b5]

And you have been told there is evidence it's just classified.

Right. We've been told. It's secret. We can't show you, but it's there. Right.

There's certainly radar.
Certainly video that's classified

Uh huh. Again, it's secret and we can't show you. See a pattern? Do you understand that anyone can testify to something, but backing it up with corroborating physical evidence is something else?

And unclassified
How do explain the Gamble, Go Fast, and Nimitz get video from the Navy that wasn't faked by the Navy

No idea what any of this is. Sounds like more military claims of UFOs to camouflage military testing. That's been going on for decades. Again, NO physical evidence whatsoever to support any of this.

You were told that at the hearing that there is evidence that is within the hands of private and Military possession.

That evidence is highly classified and what the hearings purpose was. To uncover.

Right, we were TOLD, not shown. How can you believe this so much without a single bit of confirmation by any actual physical evidence? That's all we've gotten: testimony, claims, we have it but cant show you, we know it's real but can't demonstrate it. Endless claims, endless bad video, endless testimony. Not a speck of "Here it actually is."

Don't come with " no shred of evidence"

Show me evidence of God then. Can you?

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Why do you keep bringing God into this? Do you think I believe in God with no physical evidence? Have you not read anything on IE besides this thread? There are dozens of posts from me over the past decade describing my lack of religious beliefs and my atheism. I don't believe in God for the same reason I don't believe we've been visited by alien life: a profound lack of solid, irrefutable, unambiguous evidence. For Pete's sake man, develop some critical thinking skills and base your beliefs and opinions on science and actual evidence instead of being so easily swayed by fake videos, testimony without evidence, and wild imaginations.

 

[arahop]

Right. We've been told. It's secret. We can't show you, but it's there. Right.


Uh huh. Again, it's secret and we can't show you. See a pattern? Do you understand that anyone can testify to something, but backing it up with corroborating physical evidence is something else?


No idea what any of this is. Sounds like more military claims of UFOs to camouflage military testing. That's been going on for decades. Again, NO physical evidence whatsoever to support any of this.


Right, we were TOLD, not shown. How can you believe this so much without a single bit of confirmation by any actual physical evidence? That's all we've gotten: testimony, claims, we have it but cant show you, we know it's real but can't demonstrate it. Endless claims, endless bad video, endless testimony. Not a speck of "Here it actually is."


Why do you keep bringing God into this? Do you think I believe in God with no physical evidence? Have you not read anything on IE besides this thread? There are dozens of posts from me over the past decade describing my lack of religious beliefs and my atheism. I don't believe in God for the same reason I don't believe we've been visited by alien life: a profound lack of solid, irrefutable, unambiguous evidence. For Pete's sake man, develop some critical thinking skills and base your beliefs and opinions on science and actual evidence instead of being so easily swayed by fake videos, testimony without evidence, and wild imaginations.

Exactly you haven't even watched the videos that were released. You don't search because your mind is made up. How about research those videos. You don't even realize they have the footage on infrared. Because your mind is closed .

Should I listen to your opinion or witness accounts from Edgar Mitchell, Gordon Cooper( who got footage of a UFO landing and then confiscated), Top Gun aviators. US Generals, US Admirals. Radar tracking of speeds and maneuvers we are absolutely not capable of.

You don't understand how classified and clearances work

They absolutely could be Alien but that's not the only explanation.

What we know is that we have no means or material science to do what these things are doing.

Stay in your Zeitgeist. I'm good with it.
But you can't ignore the radar, IR, data and video from the US Navy.

Yes it's true, I believe the American south has fewer college graduates than most other states. The south has 10 out of the top 20 of fewest college graduates by percentage of population. So yeah I guess I am knocking the south


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[arahop]

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[arahop]

Here you go. For the No shred of evidence silly billie

Kevin Day radar operator of the Nimtz event.

Important to note that it accelerated to 24k mph instantaneously with 100 percent acceleration to top speed.

To put that in perspective it takes our fastest rockets take 8 minutes 30 seconds at 17k mph and that acceleration isn't instantaneous




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[Bishop2b5]

JFC! I criticize your conclusions because they're based on nothing but unsupported claims and bad video, which is easily faked, and you "rebut" my argument with nothing but more unsupported claims and bad, easily faked video. Produce some actual indisputable evidence. Not claims and bad video that's so easily faked or produced by a military that uses it to camouflage testing. Just produce something solid and indisputable. We'll all believe then.

 

[arahop]

JFC! I criticize your conclusions because they're based on nothing but unsupported claims and bad video, which is easily faked, and you "rebut" my argument with nothing but more unsupported claims and bad, easily faked video. Produce some actual indisputable evidence. Not claims and bad video that's so easily faked or produced by a military that uses it to camouflage testing. Just produce something solid and indisputable. We'll all believe then.

He was the lead analyst on the radar equipped with the most cutting edge technology to track objects in the air.Yep the Military is leaking fake radar of things going up to 24 k miles an hour tracked on radar. Seen by Pilots without braking the sound barrier. Without the aerodynamics of know aircraft that defy our very understanding. They are silent. They are without visible combustion and are able to interfere and disable equipment on the best flying apparatus built in the history of mankind. That defy our very understanding of physics and aerodynamics. But I'll go off of your gut feeling.

Unsupported?
Your response is that it could be easily faked but you ignore the data and their accounts based. Your skepticism isn't scientific at all.
Your coming up with theoreticals. I'm handing you accounts and what they caught on radar and on video. Yet it could be faked. Ok so then ask yourself what if it wasn't faked. Then what are you looking at?

You are looking at phenomenon and an understanding of science and physics that we aren't even close to accomplishing ourselves. Which is more likely, they are telling the truth on what they saw and recorded with radar. Or your weak explanation and theoretical?

Yeah man. These guys are going on the record to throw us a bunch of smoke and mirrors.

Are you infering you think it's a misinformation campaign then? Because that's what it would have to be for all of these leading Military personal or the highest ranks to share their knowledge data and accounts you r best response is to say it could be faked, Al the whole ignoring what data, radar, tracking systems and eye witness testimony.

Great counterpoints!



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[TNUtoNotreDame]

China may be to blame for UFOs: Nasa chief says

Nasa experts claim that UFOs may not be evidence of alien life but could be advanced technologies from hostile nations.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lberry]

"Easily faked" is now an infinite solution to dismiss, moreso than ever due to AI. So if you try to share compelling stories, just know it's against a wall.

 

[Giddyup]

Yeah. Most likely what is going on. Try shit out.

 

[Giddyup]

Until they visit my house gonna be hard to believe it’s alien due to the vast expanse that space is.

 

[Irish#1]

He was the lead analyst on the radar equipped with the most cutting edge technology to track objects in the air.Yep the Military is leaking fake radar of things going up to 24 k miles an hour tracked on radar. Seen by Pilots without braking the sound barrier. Without the aerodynamics of know aircraft that defy our very understanding. They are silent. They are without visible combustion and are able to interfere and disable equipment on the best flying apparatus built in the history of mankind. That defy our very understanding of physics and aerodynamics. But I'll go off of your gut feeling.

Unsupported?
Your response is that it could be easily faked but you ignore the data and their accounts based. Your skepticism isn't scientific at all.
Your coming up with theoreticals. I'm handing you accounts and what they caught on radar and on video. Yet it could be faked. Ok so then ask yourself what if it wasn't faked. Then what are you looking at?

You are looking at phenomenon and an understanding of science and physics that we aren't even close to accomplishing ourselves. Which is more likely, they are telling the truth on what they saw and recorded with radar. Or your weak explanation and theoretical?

Yeah man. These guys are going on the record to throw us a bunch of smoke and mirrors.

Are you infering you think it's a misinformation campaign then? Because that's what it would have to be for all of these leading Military personal or the highest ranks to share their knowledge data and accounts you r best response is to say it could be faked, Al the whole ignoring what data, radar, tracking systems and eye witness testimony.

Great counterpoints!



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If their technology is so advanced, how do we know our technology is truly capable of accurate readings? Isn’t there a possibility it could be distorting ours?

 

[Lberry]

Until they visit my house gonna be hard to believe it’s alien due to the vast expanse that space is.

Until they visit my house gonna be hard to believe it’s alien due to the vast expanse that space is.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Always interesting to read the pushback on this topic. Usually devolves into, "Show me the little green man with a probe or else." Those views always willfully neglect actual data and evidence that proves UAPs are real, we just don't know WTF they are or who's behind the technology. Speculating on the latter is fine and good, but it's where the naysayers tend to live out their days because it's easier to debunk the little green man narrative, than to accept that something is happening in our skies that we can't explain.

So lets assume it's human. Perhaps adversarial. How is that any better? In fact, it should be more terrifying if China has this technology...something our top physicists can't explain or comprehend. What does that mean for our freedoms and the life we know as Americans? Or lets assume it's Skunkworks/Lockheed and they succeeded in creating a flying craft that defies the logic and physics that the rest of the world understands. That kind of victory in a "UAP Arms Race" changes everything as we know it, militarily. Why aren't we seeing this tested/used in any war or conflict? Why are we still spending billions on new fighter jets when we possess this technology? And why aren't we seeing this technology leak into other sectors? This kind of "limitless energy" source is a game changer. Why suppress it if we own it? If anything, boasting about our ownership of that kind of resource or weapon creates leverage. China can say it's theirs, or the U.S. can say it's ours to deter the other, but if either did own it, they'd be using it. Why isn't anyone at least trying to falsely claim it?

Bottom line, there's enough proof that "something" mechanically exists. We just don't have a clue what or who it is.

Note: Do I believe our government uses the topic as a smokescreen for diversion? Yes. But I also believe that UAPs are real, we don't know what they are and it's, in the very least, a matter of national security. Our government should take it seriously. What that means for declassifying information for us everyday folk, idk.

 

[arahop]

If their technology is so advanced, how do we know our technology is truly capable of accurate readings? Isn’t there a possibility it could be distorting ours?

I can tell you that there are very anomalous accounts of objects change shape. We can track ballistic missiles being fired from across the other side of the world instantaneously. The UAPs were subsequently tracked a lot more around 2004 when IR and FLIR tracking systems advanced greatly.

For another comment above these might not be coming from another star system. They might well be coming from a dimension that we can't access.

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