Turnovers

[Riddickulous]

In 2011, our defense forced a grand total of 14 turnovers (8 INT, 6 fumbles).

Four games into 2012, our defense has forced 13 turnovers, matching our interception total for all of last season with eight. Bennett Jackson and Manti Te'o, with three interceptions a piece, would have led the team in interceptions last year.

On the other hand, we turned the ball over a whopping 29 times last year, leaving us with a dreadful -15 turnover margin. Four games in, we have turned the ball over just 5 times, compared to the 15 we had at this point last season, and are sitting pretty on a +8 turnover margin.

This is the biggest and most important difference between last year's squad and our current one. Discuss.

 

[Teomonsternd]

In 2011, our defense forced a grand total of 14 turnovers (8 INT, 6 fumbles).

Four games into 2012, our defense has forced 13 turnovers, matching our interception total for all of last season with eight. Bennett Jackson and Manti Te'o, with three interceptions a piece, would have led the team in interceptions last year.

On the other hand, we turned the ball over a whopping 29 times last year, leaving us with a dreadful -15 turnover margin. Four games in, we have turned the ball over just 5 times, compared to the 15 we had at this point last season, and are sitting pretty on a +8 turnover margin.

This is the biggest and most important difference between last year's squad and our current one. Discuss.

I agree, and I fear it's only a matter of a decent defense until Turnover Tommy returns to form and starts throwing up INTs. Not to mention Tommy's penchant for fumbling on sacks. I will never forget Tommy almost getting Michael Floyd killed on the worst TD pass I have ever seen against F$U. It was a miracle that Mike Floyd was such a superior athlete that he came down with it. Tommy is a turnover waiting to happen.

 

[NDinFL]

I agree, and I fear it's only a matter of a decent defense until Turnover Tommy returns to form and starts throwing up INTs. Not to mention Tommy's penchant for fumbling on sacks. I will never forget Tommy almost getting Michael Floyd killed on the worst TD pass I have ever seen against F$U. It was a miracle that Mike Floyd was such a superior athlete that he came down with it. Tommy is a turnover waiting to happen.

I would consider MSU and Purdue's defenses pretty decent...

It's almost irrelevant to bring up last year at this point as well.

BK has instilled in this team just how important it is to protect the ball.

 

[Irish4Life09]

I agree, and I fear it's only a matter of a decent defense until Turnover Tommy returns to form and starts throwing up INTs. Not to mention Tommy's penchant for fumbling on sacks. I will never forget Tommy almost getting Michael Floyd killed on the worst TD pass I have ever seen against F$U. It was a miracle that Mike Floyd was such a superior athlete that he came down with it. Tommy is a turnover waiting to happen.

Well seeing as how Tommy isn't our starter you should probably stop worrying.
Not to mention he has won 2 big games for us this season.

 

[Teomonsternd]

I would consider MSU and Purdue's defenses pretty decent...

It's almost irrelevant to bring up last year at this point as well.

BK has instilled in this team just how important it is to protect the ball.

How is it irrelevant to mention Tommy's horrible turnover filled season last year? I would argue it's far more relevant than the 3 quarters this season in which he happens to have not turned the ball over yet. What about the fact that he got the play off to Goodman after the play-clock expired? Yesterday he barely had to throw it. He led the offense to 3 points in the 2nd half. It is horrible to watch. I'm not saying I'd rather lose the game and let Golson play. I'm saying that Tommy isn't this "closer" that Kelly keeps talking about. They need to get Golson playing better because Tommy can't get it done.

 

[pkt77242]

How is it irrelevant to mention Tommy's horrible turnover filled season last year? I would argue it's far more relevant than the 3 quarters this season in which he happens to have not turned the ball over yet. What about the fact that he got the play off to Goodman after the play-clock expired? Yesterday he barely had to throw it. He led the offense to 3 points in the 2nd half. It is horrible to watch. I'm not saying I'd rather lose the game and let Golson play. I'm saying that Tommy isn't this "closer" that Kelly keeps talking about. They need to get Golson playing better because Tommy can't get it done.

So, you are saying that Tommy can't improve from last year? That makes no ****ing sense. Have you ever had a positive thought in your life?

 

[irishfanjho15]

How is it irrelevant to mention Tommy's horrible turnover filled season last year? I would argue it's far more relevant than the 3 quarters this season in which he happens to have not turned the ball over yet. What about the fact that he got the play off to Goodman after the play-clock expired? Yesterday he barely had to throw it. He led the offense to 3 points in the 2nd half. It is horrible to watch. I'm not saying I'd rather lose the game and let Golson play. I'm saying that Tommy isn't this "closer" that Kelly keeps talking about. They need to get Golson playing better because Tommy can't get it done.

Not even 10 posts in and I already think you came from ND Nation. I'll be right back have to put this bag of popcorn in the microwave.

 

[Teomonsternd]

So, you are saying that Tommy can't improve from last year? That makes no ****ing sense. Have you ever had a positive thought in your life?

classy response. can't argue with such sound logic. any time you drop an F bomb to back up your argument you must be right. Might try taking your blinders off when you watch the games. How exactly will Tommy be better this year because he didn't take any reps in practice this summer. Tommy is probably a nice kid and smart; he doesn't have the physical gifts, sorry.

 

[Teomonsternd]

Not even 10 posts in and I already think you came from ND Nation. I'll be right back have to put this bag of popcorn in the microwave.

Sorry I guess I thought this was a thread on a message board for ND football fans about turnovers.

 

[NDinFL]

Teomonsternd;776318]How is it irrelevant to mention Tommy's horrible turnover filled season last year? I[/B] would argue it's far more relevant than the 3 quarters this season in which he happens to have not turned the ball over yet. What about the fact that he got the play off to Goodman after the play-clock expired? Yesterday he barely had to throw it. He led the offense to 3 points in the 2nd half. It is horrible to watch. I'm not saying I'd rather lose the game and let Golson play. I'm saying that Tommy isn't this "closer" that Kelly keeps talking about. They need to get Golson playing better because Tommy can't get it done.

Ummm, they can't go back and re-play those games? Right?

So it's pretty damn irrelevant.

Players progress year to year, and honestly, to bitch about Tommy "almost not getting the play off to Goodman" well, find other reasons to whine than about an "almost bad play"

I agree with the other poster, go back to your home:

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Edit: he lead them to a win over a hated rival, that's what matters.

Also, if you were paying attention, Kelly said Golson is our starter, Rees is a luxury to have if/when Golson can't get things done.

 

[pkt77242]

classy response. can't argue with such sound logic. any time you drop an F bomb to back up your argument you must be right. Might try taking your blinders off when you watch the games. How exactly will Tommy be better this year because he didn't take any reps in practice this summer. Tommy is probably a nice kid and smart; he doesn't have the physical gifts, sorry.

Again, you still haven't answered the question, why can't Tommy improve? I am on the record for saying that Golson should start, but Rees does some things currently much better than Golson (presnap reads, calms the team, knows where to go with the ball, and so far this year turnovers). I would be the first person to argue that Rees is slow with just an ok arm but you seem to discount the mental side of playing QB. Also you have yet to point out anything about Rees this year. The F bomb wasn't to buttress my arguement it was to point out the weakness of your arguement and your lack of reason.

 

[phork]

I think the QBs can relax a little now knowing that our defence can bail them out in most cases. Years before it was almost automatic points if we turned the ball over.

 

[Black Irish]

The Irish D forcing all these turnovers is great, but the offense needs to come through and start converting those opportunities into points. I'm happy as hell that ND beat Michigan, but it is sad that our defense forced 6 TOs but the offense only put up 20 points all day.

 

[IrishinTN]

Additionally the isn't taking as many stupid penalties, either. There have been a few, but not at the rate they had them last year. the two biggest things killing them last year have been vastly improved.

 

[WaveDomer]

If ND continues to protect the ball, take the ball away, keep pressure on D and tackle, then they are in any game this year. The tackling has been exceptional so far.

 

[ThePiombino]

If ND continues to protect the ball, take the ball away, keep pressure on D and tackle, then they are in any game this year. The tackling has been exceptional so far.

True, but in order to hang with OU, USC, and likely Stanford, they will have to convert.

 

[irishff1014]

The Irish D forcing all these turnovers is great, but the offense needs to come through and start converting those opportunities into points. I'm happy as hell that ND beat Michigan, but it is sad that our defense forced 6 TOs but the offense only put up 20 points all day.

Not being a smart a&& but we only scored 13.

 

[WaveDomer]

True, but in order to hang with OU, USC, and likely Stanford, they will have to convert.

Of course, but I think what I mentioned above will keep us "in" any game. But yeah, we need good offensive production against those teams.

 

[WaveDomer]

Not being a smart a&& but we only scored 13.

I think he's probably mixing the State score in there by mistake.

 

[Rhode Irish]

How did this thread become about Tommy Rees? Are we going to do the thing again where we just make any and every thread about Tommy no matter what the original topic was?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Sorry I guess I thought this was a thread on a message board for ND football fans about turnovers.

 

[notredomer23]

In 2011, our defense forced a grand total of 14 turnovers (8 INT, 6 fumbles).

Four games into 2012, our defense has forced 13 turnovers, matching our interception total for all of last season with eight. Bennett Jackson and Manti Te'o, with three interceptions a piece, would have led the team in interceptions last year.

On the other hand, we turned the ball over a whopping 29 times last year, leaving us with a dreadful -15 turnover margin. Four games in, we have turned the ball over just 5 times, compared to the 15 we had at this point last season, and are sitting pretty on a +8 turnover margin.

This is the biggest and most important difference between last year's squad and our current one. Discuss.

Not to nitpick but we only have four turnovers this year. Not taking away from the substance of your post though because through four games last year we had 15 turnovers. The fact we managed to go 2-2 in those first 4 last year with 15 turnovers. Stay at the pace we're going, I think we go 10-2

 

[eNDzone]

We may have young DBs, but speed can make up for alot. When a ball is in the air and not on the mark speed kills. Also, being able to get pressure on the QB with three or four guys leaves us with a multitude of cover guys.

 

[Cogs]

True, but in order to hang with OU, USC, and likely Stanford, they will have to convert.

I think it's more on the lines of if OU, USC and Stanford can hang with US

 

[ND101]

I think it's more on the lines of if OU, USC and Stanford can hang with US

Thats what Im talking about!!!

 

[Black Irish]

Not being a smart a&& but we only scored 13.

You're right, I'm mixing up my scores. But my original point still stands. Convert those TOs, Irish.

 

[irishff1014]

You're right, I'm mixing up my scores. But my original point still stands. Convert those TOs, Irish.

I agree with converting onthe Tos.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

I totally agree that the offense needs to step up, but BK basically admitted after the Michigan game that he is being extremely stubborn with the run game and will not call plays that risk turnovers (i.e. downfield passing) as long as (a) the Irish are winning and (b) the defense is playing lights out.

I think it's there. Every time we've really needed a clutch drive, the offense has grinded it out (twice against MSU, twice against UM). If we needed to score more to win either game, I think we could have opened it up and moved the ball a little more effectively. It's just been such a luxury to not have to do anything other than run belly and stretch plays, and leave the rest to the kicking teams and defense.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I totally agree that the offense needs to step up, but BK basically admitted after the Michigan game that he is being extremely stubborn with the run game and will not call plays that risk turnovers (i.e. downfield passing) as long as (a) the Irish are winning and (b) the defense is playing lights out.

I think it's there. Every time we've really needed a clutch drive, the offense has grinded it out (twice against MSU, twice against UM). If we needed to score more to win either game, I think we could have opened it up and moved the ball a little more effectively. It's just been such a luxury to not have to do anything other than run belly and stretch plays, and leave the rest to the kicking teams and defense.

I agree, and I don't think people are aware enough of this point.