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IrishLax said:
The most generous read on Vance is that he’s playing a bit. He was a completely different guy before he wanted to run for Senate, and then overnight invented a new persona. That’s why I think he’s unpopular on some levels is because people can collectively sniff out “inauthentic” at a surprisingly good clip (it’s also why Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton are unpopular but people like Bill Clinton and Michelle Obama are not).

Vance spent his entire life positioned one way, and then he decided to run for senate funded by Peter Thiel and went a different way. And it worked, credit to him, and now he’s likely to be VP. So if he’s a smart guy playing to what he thinks will win it tracks on multiple levels.
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Definition of a grifter tbh


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IrishLax said:
JD Vance is sure as hell not an “insider”… he’s also not very popular and comes across as fake. But he will also very much so stay on message with MAGA and be loyal.
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Maybe this is why he feels more like an insider to me. He feels like a politician. Slimy
 
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Damn, even as an Ohio resident I was least excited about Vance as a VP.

Really, really wanted Tulsi as VP. I'm not sure Trump will need it anymore, but I think Tulsi would have pulled in more moderate votes and maybe some women/minorities. Vance won't do that. Not only that, but Tulsi about destroyed Kamala's Presidential bid during the primaries when she was still a Democrat. We could have gotten Round 2 of that during the VP debates.
 
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NorthDakota said:
So Vance is an insider by virtue of being a senator for 18 months, then? But Carson is not an insider for being a cabinet member for four years?
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Vance is in fact the exception. The issue with Vance is he already sounds like and carries himself like a long term politician after 18-24 months. There is a "slimy" "plastic" "phony" aura about him.

The jury is out for me on Vance, but I do not have high hopes of him being anything other than a politician who says and does anything to keep the money train flowing into this personal bank account.
 
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IrishLax said:
The most generous read on Vance is that he’s playing a bit. He was a completely different guy before he wanted to run for Senate, and then overnight invented a new persona. That’s why I think he’s unpopular on some levels is because people can collectively sniff out “inauthentic” at a surprisingly good clip (it’s also why Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton are unpopular but people like Bill Clinton and Michelle Obama are not).

Vance spent his entire life positioned one way, and then he decided to run for senate funded by Peter Thiel and went a different way. And it worked, credit to him, and now he’s likely to be VP. So if he’s a smart guy playing to what he thinks will win it tracks on multiple levels.
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This is EXACTLY why I am not excited about this pick. Vance seems to be making the same moves long term politicians make. Anything to get elected and keep the money flowing.
 
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bobbyok1 said:
This is EXACTLY why I am not excited about this pick. Vance seems to be making the same moves long term politicians make. Anything to get elected and keep the money flowing.
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Very strange decision. Seems to add nothing to the ticket. Republicans in Ohio don't even like him. He doesn't reach across the aisle with any opinions. He's more extreme than Trump on things like abortion. Feels like Trump is just assuming the election is already locked up and wanted to pick the biggest phony yes man he could.
 
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Very strange decision. Seems to add nothing to the ticket. Republicans in Ohio don't even like him. He doesn't reach across the aisle with any opinions. He's more extreme than Trump on things like abortion. Feels like Trump is just assuming the election is already locked up and wanted to pick the biggest phony yes man he could.
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I’m guessing it was Vance all along
 
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I feel like it's not appreciated enough that Donald may have been saved by riffing and asking for a chart showing illegal immigration
 
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bobbyok1 said:
Vance is in fact the exception. The issue with Vance is he already sounds like and carries himself like a long term politician after 18-24 months. There is a "slimy" "plastic" "phony" aura about him.

The jury is out for me on Vance, but I do not have high hopes of him being anything other than a politician who says and does anything to keep the money train flowing into this personal bank account.
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Here’s a quote from 2017 or there about. Apparently, he enjoyed life in the center of the Libtard/LGBTQ universe while living there.

"A few Saturdays ago, my wife and I spent the morning volunteering at a community garden in our San Francisco neighborhood. After a few hours of casual labor, we and the other volunteers dispersed to our respective destinations: tasty brunches, day trips to wine country, art-gallery tours. It was a perfectly normal day, by San Francisco standards,"
 
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Here’s a quote from 2017 or there about. Apparently, he enjoyed life in the center of the Libtard/LGBTQ universe while living there.

"A few Saturdays ago, my wife and I spent the morning volunteering at a community garden in our San Francisco neighborhood. After a few hours of casual labor, we and the other volunteers dispersed to our respective destinations: tasty brunches, day trips to wine country, art-gallery tours. It was a perfectly normal day, by San Francisco standards,"
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Fake republican. No wonder Trump likes him.
 
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GATTACA! said:
Fake republican. No wonder Trump likes him.
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I suppose.

I’m trying to wrap my head around this idea that the champions of the “working man” are a billionaire from NY who went to Warton and inherited his wealth and a former day trader with a degree from Yale. Lol.
 
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Bluto said:
I suppose.

I’m trying to wrap my head around this idea that the champions of the “working man” are a billionaire from NY who went to Warton and inherited his wealth and a former day trader with a degree from Yale. Lol.
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Agreed, but it cuts both ways as the free speech, anti-pharma, anti-war party supports suppression, embraces pharma since Obamacare & can get the war machine cranked up as well as their adversaries on the other side of the aisle. We are in the upside down but most will still do mental gymnastics to support their team vs the evil incarnate party they oppose.
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
Agreed, but it cuts both ways as the free speech, anti-pharma, anti-war party supports suppression, embraces pharma since Obamacare & can get the war machine cranked up as well as their adversaries on the other side of the aisle. We are in the upside down but most will still do mental gymnastics to support their team vs the evil incarnate party they oppose.
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Except the Dems are trotting out establishment centrist POTUS/VP picks like they've done since 2000.
 
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“I go back and forth between thinking Trump might be a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn’t be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he might be America’s Hitler,”
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I just get the vibe that the JD Vance who penned “Elegy” in 2016 would loathe what he’s become today.

Dude chose to kiss the ring and will be Trump’s lapdog in the hopes that he can turn this into long term conservative leadership.

Doesn’t appeal to me at all as a likely Republican voter and I have a copy of Hillbilly Elegy on my own bookshelf.
 
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IRISHDODGER said:
Agreed, but it cuts both ways as the free speech, anti-pharma, anti-war party supports suppression, embraces pharma since Obamacare & can get the war machine cranked up as well as their adversaries on the other side of the aisle. We are in the upside down but most will still do mental gymnastics to support their team vs the evil incarnate party they oppose.
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I wouldn’t call the Democrats the “anti war party”.

Charlie Kirk with a prime time spot. Dude is the biggest fail upward grifter in recent American politics.
 
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