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What a surprise. The Colorado Supreme Court (along with Illinois and Maine's decisions) played part politics instead of allowing the Constitution to guide their decision. The US Supreme Court showed them how its done in a unifying 9-0 decision.

 

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From his own mouth you moderate republicans and independents are not welcome in the party anymore. So I can from here on out deduce if you vote for him or any other MAGA candidate you are MAGA.
Remember, they all don't support him or haven't voted for him. It's just, uhhh, something about defending against the hysteria or hyperbole lmaooooo
 

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What a surprise. The Colorado Supreme Court (along with Illinois and Maine's decisions) played part politics instead of allowing the Constitution to guide their decision. The US Supreme Court showed them how its done in a unifying 9-0 decision.

Given the 9-0 ruling you gotta say it was the right call, but it's moot really. It's not like any of those states were going to vote red anyway. If a battleground state or even red state had done the same it would have been a bigger issue and could have led to a different GOP nomination.
 

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Given the 9-0 ruling you gotta say it was the right call, but it's moot really. It's not like any of those states were going to vote red anyway. If a battleground state or even red state had done the same it would have been a bigger issue and could have led to a different GOP nomination.
The reason it is not moot is because you have the highest court in a state making a politically motivated decision.

These checks in our system are extremely important to remind and/or instruct our nation in how our Constitutional Republic functions. It calls into question the motivation of the Colorado Supreme Court. It makes it less likely for people to swallow hook, line and sinker a decision from such a court as many assume they are acting in good faith due to the elevated nature of their office.

Not to mention the 9-0 ruling itself was significant to bring more harmony to our nation and less unnecessary division. It showed that we can have common ground, and that common ground is not based upon some fleeting warm fuzzies, but on the bedrock of our Constitution.
 

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The reason it is not moot is because you have the highest court in a state making a politically motivated decision.

These checks in our system are extremely important to remind and/or instruct our nation in how our Constitutional Republic functions. It calls into question the motivation of the Colorado Supreme Court. It makes it less likely for people to swallow hook, line and sinker a decision from such a court as many assume they are acting in good faith due to the elevated nature of their office.

Not to mention the 9-0 ruling itself was significant to bring more harmony to our nation and less unnecessary division. It showed that we can have common ground, and that common ground is not based upon some fleeting warm fuzzies, but on the bedrock of our Constitution.

I suppose. The funny thing to come out of this are all the propaganda accounts losing their minds. Olbermann calling for the SC to dissolve :laugh: Checks and balances be damned!

 

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Was any other state contemplating keeping Trump off the ballot?
Maine and Illinois were. But I guess states rights isn’t always the law of the land. They can regulate their women’s personal medical choices and general bodily autonomy just not presidential candidates. Pretty consistent.

Essentially their ruling came down to you can determine who you candidates are just not like that.
 

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The reason it is not moot is because you have the highest court in a state making a politically motivated decision.

These checks in our system are extremely important to remind and/or instruct our nation in how our Constitutional Republic functions. It calls into question the motivation of the Colorado Supreme Court. It makes it less likely for people to swallow hook, line and sinker a decision from such a court as many assume they are acting in good faith due to the elevated nature of their office.

Not to mention the 9-0 ruling itself was significant to bring more harmony to our nation and less unnecessary division. It showed that we can have common ground, and that common ground is not based upon some fleeting warm fuzzies, but on the bedrock of our Constitution.
I believe they ruled 9-0 on one item which is that states can’t unilaterally keep candidates off the ballot. There was a 5-4 split on the other item in question which is who has authority to determine which candidates are unable to be a candidate.
 
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Anyone in need of another clue can look to the majority’s unsigned opinion in Anderson shielding Trump from removal by the states. This case involved a genuinely difficult dispute: Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, enacted in the wake of the Civil War, bars former insurrectionists from reclaiming office but does not explain how this bar should operate. A group of voters urged the Colorado courts to enforce the amendment on their own, under a state law that lets voters challenge any candidate’s legal qualifications for office. The Colorado Supreme Court heeded the call and dumped Trump from the ballot. All nine justices have now agreed that states may not unilaterally disqualify a presidential candidate. Doing so, they reasoned, would allow a handful of states to effectively determine the outcome of a presidential election, undermining the inherently national nature of both the election and the presidency itself. The Constitution’s division of authority between the federal and state governments cannot permit a state’s go-it-alone effort to disqualify a federal candidate who’s running to represent the entire country.

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That, however, is where the agreement ends. Five justices—Chief Justice John Roberts, joined by Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, and Brett Kavanaugh—went further: They declared that only Congress may enforce the insurrection clause against federal candidates. How, exactly? The majority says that Congress must “prescribe” specific procedures to “ascertain” when an individual is disqualified under the 14th Amendment. Such procedures, of course, do not exist today. And without them, the majority insists—in just a few paragraphs of sparse reasoning—the insurrection clause cannot be enforced against office seekers. It derives this conclusion from two primary sources: “Griffin’s Case,” an 1869 opinion written by Chief Justice Salmon Chase, acting as a circuit judge, and Section 5 of the 14th Amendment, which says, “Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”
 

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I suppose. The funny thing to come out of this are all the propaganda accounts losing their minds. Olbermann calling for the SC to dissolve :laugh: Checks and balances be damned!


Olbermann is a nut. The dude is seriously unhinged. Yeah Keith, let's dissolve one of the three branches of Government.
 

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Was any other state contemplating keeping Trump off the ballot?
Maine and Illinois at least. It went to the Supreme Court in other states or higher officials and was turned down as unconstitutional.
 

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Trumps mom was an illegal immigrant. Two of his wives were immigrants and all but one of his children are anchor babies.
 

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I feel sorry for anyone who follows accounts with names like "DNC War Room" or "Biden-Harris HQ". And then to give their propaganda any credence whatsoever in their broken minds. Just an amazing self own guys. Your TDS is unhealthy along with the 92k DNC War Room followers and 309k out of supposedly 81M voters who follow the Biden-Harris HQ account. Y'all think MAGA is fringe - you are further afield in the other direction.

17 days of early primary voting here in NC - how dumb is that? Dragging out the process is a big problem IMO. Need to get back to election DAY in person. At least I had to show ID.
 

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I feel sorry for anyone who follows accounts with names like "DNC War Room" or "Biden-Harris HQ". And then to give their propaganda any credence whatsoever in their broken minds. Just an amazing self own guys. Your TDS is unhealthy along with the 92k DNC War Room followers and 309k out of supposedly 81M voters who follow the Biden-Harris HQ account. Y'all think MAGA is fringe - you are further afield in the other direction.

17 days of early primary voting here in NC - how dumb is that? Dragging out the process is a big problem IMO. Need to get back to election DAY in person. At least I had to show ID.
They’re all huge Rob Reiner followers…LOL!
 

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Trumps mom was an illegal immigrant. Two of his wives were immigrants and all but one of his children are anchor babies.

I feel sorry for anyone who follows accounts with names like "DNC War Room" or "Biden-Harris HQ". And then to give their propaganda any credence whatsoever in their broken minds. Just an amazing self own guys. Your TDS is unhealthy along with the 92k DNC War Room followers and 309k out of supposedly 81M voters who follow the Biden-Harris HQ account. Y'all think MAGA is fringe - you are further afield in the other direction.

17 days of early primary voting here in NC - how dumb is that? Dragging out the process is a big problem IMO. Need to get back to election DAY in person. At least I had to show ID.

@RDU Irish The first one looks and sounds like Lara Trump, but I Don't know what the fuck American Sunrise is.

Second one is Fox News and the audio definitely sounds like Dear Leader.

Are these not authentic? I don't follow either account.
 

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I feel sorry for anyone who follows accounts with names like "DNC War Room" or "Biden-Harris HQ". And then to give their propaganda any credence whatsoever in their broken minds. Just an amazing self own guys. Your TDS is unhealthy along with the 92k DNC War Room followers and 309k out of supposedly 81M voters who follow the Biden-Harris HQ account. Y'all think MAGA is fringe - you are further afield in the other direction.

It's not really a surprise, but it explains the behavior.
 

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Can we all just acknowledge reality please? The Republican Party is now a large majority MAGA/America First party. And that coalition is a majority populist. working class base that is rapidly becoming multiethnic, younger, and it is a coalition that is also increasingly reaching people from just about every walk of life. The days of Bush/Romney/McConnell are over.

 
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Can we all just acknowledge reality please? The Republican Party is now a large majority MAGA/America First party. And that coalition is a majority populist. working class base that is rapidly becoming multiethnic, younger, and it is a coalition that is also increasingly reaching people from just about every walk of life. The days of Bush/Romney/McConnell are over.


 

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Can we all just acknowledge reality please? The Republican Party is now a large majority MAGA/America First party. And that coalition is a majority populist. working class base that is rapidly becoming multiethnic, younger, and it is a coalition that is also increasingly reaching people from just about every walk of life. The days of Bush/Romney/McConnell are over.


Fake news. In an Iowa Poll in January 18% considered themselves staunchly MAGA, while 22% said they fall elsewhere in the MAGA hierarchy. The other 60% were either neutral or opposed. That was in Iowa, so results may vary elsewhere statistically, but it was less than half of all conservatives respectively. That said, Trump certainly still is the strongest voice in the party until someone unseats him. It's likely plenty of RINOs will still hold their nose and vote for him in November as people often stick to party lines.

 

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Fake news. In an Iowa Poll in January 18% considered themselves staunchly MAGA, while 22% said they fall elsewhere in the MAGA hierarchy. The other 60% were either neutral or opposed. That was in Iowa, so results may vary elsewhere statistically, but it was less than half of all conservatives respectively. That said, Trump certainly still is the strongest voice in the party until someone unseats him. It's likely plenty of RINOs will still hold their nose and vote for him in November as people often stick to party lines.

First, your summary is misleading. 40% said they were MAGA, 38% said they were neutral, and 17% said they were "anti-MAGA". So your comment about 60% were either neutral or opposed nicely hides the details of only 17% being opposed. What in the world does "neutral" mean? My assumption is the "neutral" label has to do with not wanting to be associated with the false caricatures created concerning who is a MAGA Republican, while still being supportive. Who is neutral on anything these days in politics?

"Eighteen percent of likely Republican caucusgoers say they consider themselves “ultra MAGA,” and 22% say they identify as “just regular MAGA” supporters. But another 38% say they have neutral feelings about the MAGA movement, and 17% say they are “anti-MAGA.”

If the same poll asked people if there were "populist" or "America First" you'd see significantly different polling results. The only reason anyone is gun shy about "MAGA" is that it has been demonized by the Left and MSM. Its like saying you're a racist to those groups. "MAGA" is the same thing as Republican populist/American First.

The point was less about the MAGA label, and more about the voting base is now a majority populist movement that is done with the old guard of RINO's. If you don't believe that just compare Trumps polling numbers to that of RINO's.

Look at the rats who've already been booted, jumped ship or soon jumping ship: Liz Cheney, Kevin McCarty, Ronna McDaniel, Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, 8 of the 10 RINO's who voted to impeach Trump for January 6, etc.

Congress still has plenty of RINO's, but the numbers are shifting fast towards MAGA/America First. I have no doubt they won't go without a fight, but their days are numbered due to the new Republican base.

This article below states the case quite nicely. The RINO establishment is afraid of the "radical conservative populism." Translation: They are afraid they are going to lose their cash cow, so they go back to their only bag of tricks and label it as radical and a threat to our democracy.

Josh Hawley summed it up quite nicely at the end of the article. “The great divide of our time is not between Trump supporters and Trump opponents, or between suburban voters and rural ones, or between Red America and Blue America,” he said. “No, the great divide of our time is between the political agenda of the leadership elite and the great and broad middle of our society. And to answer the discontent of our time, we must end that divide.”

 
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