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But if Russia is happy having Trump in office (which they have openly stated) that gives me concern as well.

Meh! Putin is just glad that it is not going to cost Russia an 8 digit donation to some foundation, just to talk to the US President.

We should all be more concerned about the fact that we have people in this country that are so stupid that they believe that the National Enquirer is a real news source!
 
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They hacked the campaigns and released actual emails from the Ds side only or at least released both sides to Wikileaks and Wikileaks only released the D side. But you don't think that they faked any of the emails, correct? They were actual communications between the D people listed, right?

Do you think the Russians hacked voting machines and did it so precisely as to still let HRC get around 2.5 million more of the overall popular vote, but tweaked just enough machines in just a few states so that DJT would only win by a couple thousand votes where he needed to in order to collect just enough electoral votes?

There were stories out before the election that the Russians were attempting to hack the election. Did DC do everything it could beforehand? If HRC would have won, would there still be this scrutiny now? Since there were stories about Russian hacking before the election why wasn't HRC concerned about it beforehand like DJT instead of ridiculing the idea of inaccuracies potentially occurring? Why only after the election was/is she and many others worried about it?

PS I still think DJT is a giant douche and don't trust him, but still preferred him over the turd sandwich that is HRC. If they decide to determine this election was illegitimate, I suggest that we choose two new people (the Greens and the libertarians can keep their candidates) and we have a 4 week runoff. NOTE: The Constitution still applies and therefore so does the electoral college that is part of our Republic.
I am not claiming anything, I am merely asking questions based on whats being reported.
 
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Meh! Putin is just glad that it is not going to cost Russia an 8 digit donation to some foundation, just to talk to the US President.

We should all be more concerned about the fact that we have people in this country that are so stupid that they believe that the National Enquirer is a real news source!

The sources I am reading are somewhat legit to include the CIA. We arent talking about Ivanka being impregnated by mutated Sasqatch lesbians here. Lol. I guess you are not aware of the CIAs recent statements either.
 

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...Really? Maybe 15 years ago you could defend this. Now?

1. 15 of the hottest 16 years on record have occurred since 2001, with 2015 the hottest and 2016 likely to top it. (Data goes back to 1880)

2. It's a long read but here are some excerpts from the Wiki article on the subject:

"69,406 papers were published by climate scientists from 2013-2014. Number of papers that rejected global warming: 4."

"Since 2007, when the American Association of Petroleum Geologists released a revised statement,[14] no scientific body of national or international scientists rejects the findings of human-induced effects on climate change."

Chart, summarizes the results of a number of scientist surveys:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

Really. I didn't defend his stance, so save all of your outrage and lectures on human contributions to global warming.
 
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...Really? Maybe 15 years ago you could defend this. Now?

1. 15 of the hottest 16 years on record have occurred since 2001, with 2015 the hottest and 2016 likely to top it. (Data goes back to 1880)

2. It's a long read but here are some excerpts from the Wiki article on the subject:

"69,406 papers were published by climate scientists from 2013-2014. Number of papers that rejected global warming: 4."

"Since 2007, when the American Association of Petroleum Geologists released a revised statement,[14] no scientific body of national or international scientists rejects the findings of human-induced effects on climate change."

Chart, summarizes the results of a number of scientist surveys:
Climate_science_opinion2.png


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

Brother, do not waste yours time on this topic. No one here will ever believe climate change is human caused. I have spent countless hours puting together detailed posts arguing with several people at a time and it is a giant waste if time. They wont read anything. They wont try to see your point. They wont seek to read to be informed and they certainly will not allow their opinion to be changed. I gave up talking about this because all they have to do, in the face of overwhelming evidence, is just repeat the canards they so dearly cling to. BTW this is such a better source for the compiled refutations on climate skeptics than wiki:

https://skepticalscience.com.

I have used this a bunch when discussing this topic elsewhere. It just doesnt work on people here. They are immune to its facts.

I should also add that within this argument lies the two major premises that evolution occurs and the planet is greater than 10000 years old. While I respect everyones beliefs about these two topics, you simply cant have the argument while anyone denies either of the two premises.
 
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There are only a few countries, opposing or supporting, that can impact us in any meaningful way.



My point is Russia will not be invading us and nobody is losing sleep over it... so you're post was a bit of a miss. To Buster's earlier point, Russia is crumbling, and won't be able to do anything in a couple years anyway...




Buster I have no doubt that you are educated and have a great deal of knowledge in this space. That does not make you right, and everyone else wrong.

My challenge with you is that other edumacated folks have opinions... but you talk in absolutes and act as if you're opinion is the only credible answer to the worlds problems..... whatever the topic is.
So everyone who disagrees about this space is an idiot? You criticize peoples articles or links while posting links or graphs of your own and think your fact and data is clearly better than others. Data can lie. Data can misrepresent. Data can be translated differently based on schools of thought by well educated people with different views. Fact and data is great, when it's just fact and data. When people start to spin stories around fact and data, we can all get lost.

We are in uncharted territory, so it's not like one can draw from history the perfect answer. Who knows what this new global economy will create in 10, 50, or 200 years. It's never happened before. Who knows what technology will drive over the next XX years.

What I do know is neither side has had great answers to the issues we are facing. I know that the nation appears to be divided in half, and both parties are unwilling to do anything about it.

I love your passion about things, but hate your delivery..... clearly you hate the GOP so the rhetoric blinds a significant portion of IEers to any good points you may have. Well I hate both sides (because I think our political system has become so corrupt the average joe loses), but can appreciate aspects of both party platforms. I don't see one side's victory as win or lose. I see either side's victory as a loser in the current state of politics.

Yup. Buster is the smartest guy in every room he walks into.
 

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...and that's prominent Fox News contributor and former editor for prestigious National Review George Will, not some Huffington Post chump.

Trump has six major bankruptcies. Count em..1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. In my tin foil hat opinion he can't get a loan from US banks and so he has financed his Trump empire in part using cash from Russian oligarchs. Russian oligarchs just straight up own Russia, so naturally he's cozying up with Russia in a break with 70+ years of American policy.

Yeah, the Manafort thing was weird. It kinda felt like dating someone and watching them wink at their ex.

Ok, let's divide this one.

I do not think it is weird nor do I care that they tried to impact an election. I think they were not alone in hacking our parties and not alone in trying to sway the results. It does not bother me that I voted the same as Putin.

I am concerned about how close Trump appears to be with Russia. It seems like one of those bromances where you're fairly certain the weiners have touched. I don't know if it's just a weird admiration or if money was involved or what. I would want it smashed if money was involved, just as I did the Clinton Foundation.
 
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Yeah, the Manafort thing was weird. It kinda felt like dating someone and watching them wink at their ex.

Ok, let's divide this one.

I do not think it is weird nor do I care that they tried to impact an election. I think they were not alone in hacking our parties and not alone in trying to sway the results. It does not bother me that I voted the same as Putin.

I am concerned about how close Trump appears to be with Russia. It seems like one of those bromances where you're fairly certain the weiners have touched. I don't know if it's just a weird admiration or if money was involved or what. I would want it smashed if money was involved, just as I did the Clinton Foundation.

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Yup. Buster is the smartest guy in every room he walks into.

Or, he is just that much smarter than everyone on this site, in this thread that disagrees with him on this series of topics.

I vote the latter.
 
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Yup. Buster is the smartest guy in every room he walks into.

I think this terribly unfair. If people would listen and respond rather than just dismissing out of hand we might all learn something we didnt before. Yet it seems we all just crave confirmation bias because it makes our world view palatable.
 
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Let me get this right.

Candidate A has shown remarkably poor judgement, and no criminal wrongdoing.

Candidate B, has declared bankruptcy six times and has a net worth to loan ratio of maybe 1.5 to 1, who cannot get loans from legitimate banks anywhere in the free world, yet has almost unlimited financing at his disposal, has not even shared complete campaign financing information, and is suspected by multiple agencies of being promoted by foreign governments.

And Candidate A is the hands-down piece of shit?

Okay.


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Let me get this right.

Candidate A has shown remarkably poor judgement, and no criminal wrongdoing.

Candidate B, has declared bankruptcy six times and has a net worth to loan ratio of maybe 1.5 to 1, who cannot get loans from legitimate banks anywhere in the free world, yet has almost unlimited financing at his disposal, has not even shared complete campaign financing information, and is suspected by multiple agencies of being promoted by foreign governments.

And Candidate A is the hands-down piece of shit?

Okay.


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To be fair you are leaving out quite a bit of information on Candidate A.
 

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To be fair you are leaving out quite a bit of information on Candidate A.

Yeah, this was not a popularity contest amongst two well-liked candidates. Remember, this was the doomsday scenario.

We got Trump. So far, I'm ok with it.
 
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To be fair you are leaving out quite a bit of information on Candidate A.

Really? You think so?

Because I think that was what put Trump over the top. Thousands were sniffing her fartlettes for a whiff of wrongdoing, and Trump could take a giant dump in the middle of Park Avenue, and no one would say a thing.

Find an actual, factual comparison of activities from the start of the campaign through the present, what had substance, and what didn't, and you would be surprised.

Trump was facing the real possibility of multiple fraud charges with near certain conviction, and real prison time, during the election, and he threw 25million dollars at it to make it go away after he won. Who does this? More importantly, what kind of idiots let someone get away with this absolute criminal behavior, someone who may be entrusted with the most sacred honor of any government official, the Chief Executive defender of the Constitution of the United States of America?

Don't forget to add him bribing the Fla Atty General with money from his own charity, for leniency and other favors, which has continued since the election with his using state calls to lobby for business favors! The whole thing is so outrageous, comparing HRC to Trump's 'gangsterism,' that anyone that would defend any of the suppression of Trumps criminal endeavors, even to the mild degree of me leaving out a thing or two from Hillary's resume, is just off the wall! I cannot fathom it.
 
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Yeah, this was not a popularity contest amongst two well-liked candidates. Remember, this was the doomsday scenario.

We got Trump. So far, I'm ok with it.

Yeah it was the unpopularity contest. Whenever Trump was in the news his poll numbers diminished, whenever Clinton was in the news, her poll numbers diminished.

That's really what makes the Russian/wikileaks involvement so noteworthy. They very clearly timed the release of Clinton garbage to drive up negatives, while also withholding the GOP garbage. And worse yet, guys like Mitchell McConnell and perhaps FBI Director Comey knew it was going on and didn't inform the voters.

IMO it's stunning that people can shrug their shoulders at all that.
 
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Yeah it was the unpopularity contest. Whenever Trump was in the news his poll numbers diminished, whenever Clinton was in the news, her poll numbers diminished.

That's really what makes the Russian/wikileaks involvement so noteworthy. They very clearly timed the release of Clinton garbage to drive up negatives, while also withholding the GOP garbage. And worse yet, guys like Mitchell McConnell and perhaps FBI Director Coney knew it was going on and didn't inform the voters.

IMO it's stunning that people can shrug their shoulders at all that.

Agree.
 
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Really? You think so?

Because I think that was what put Trump over the top. Thousands were sniffing her fartlettes for a whiff of wrongdoing, and Trump could take a giant dump in the middle of Park Avenue, and no one would say a thing.

Find an actual, factual comparison of activities from the start of the campaign through the present, what had substance, and what didn't, and you would be surprised.

Trump was facing the real possibility of multiple fraud charges with near certain conviction, and real prison time, during the election, and he threw 25million dollars at it to make it go away after he won. Who does this? More importantly, what kind of idiots let someone get away with this absolute criminal behavior, someone who may be entrusted with the most sacred honor of any government official, the Chief Executive defender of the Constitution of the United States of America?

Don't forget to add him bribing the Fla Atty General with money from his own charity, for leniency and other favors, which has continued since the election with his using state calls to lobby for business favors! The whole thing is so outrageous, comparing HRC to Trump's 'gangsterism,' that anyone that would defend any of the suppression of Trumps criminal endeavors, even to the mild degree of me leaving out a thing or two from Hillary's resume, is just off the wall! I cannot fathom it.

I do. She was a terrible choice for president and her candidacy for president was never in question. Even with the MSM and the DNC shilling on her behalf and sandbagging the only guy capable of defeating Trump all their efforts could not cover up her shady actions.
 

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Really? You think so?

Because I think that was what put Trump over the top. Thousands were sniffing her fartlettes for a whiff of wrongdoing, and Trump could take a giant dump in the middle of Park Avenue, and no one would say a thing.

Find an actual, factual comparison of activities from the start of the campaign through the present, what had substance, and what didn't, and you would be surprised.

Trump was facing the real possibility of multiple fraud charges with near certain conviction, and real prison time, during the election, and he threw 25million dollars at it to make it go away after he won. Who does this? More importantly, what kind of idiots let someone get away with this absolute criminal behavior, someone who may be entrusted with the most sacred honor of any government official, the Chief Executive defender of the Constitution of the United States of America?

Don't forget to add him bribing the Fla Atty General with money from his own charity, for leniency and other favors, which has continued since the election with his using state calls to lobby for business favors! The whole thing is so outrageous, comparing HRC to Trump's 'gangsterism,' that anyone that would defend any of the suppression of Trumps criminal endeavors, even to the mild degree of me leaving out a thing or two from Hillary's resume, is just off the wall! I cannot fathom it.

I love drinking your tears.

Hillary sucks. Couldn't even pass the bar exam in DC. What a failure of a human being.
 

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Because I think that was what put Trump over the top. Thousands were sniffing her fartlettes for a whiff of wrongdoing, and Trump could take a giant dump in the middle of Park Avenue, and no one would say a thing..

Agree to disagree here.

I was irked that Hillary was getting a free pass and bypassing the whole vetting process when the media kept the light on Trump. The media was there to express shock and awe every time he ran his mouth or when the Bush comments or with the gold star dad thing or anything to shine a light on the ridiculous one.

I don't think they ever did an adequate job covering the foundation donations, Bill and the AG meeting on the runway, the bleach bit, the DNC coordination, the debate coordination with Donna B, or the links to her and foreign nations. I felt like we were getting the Trump show before Hillary snuck in.

Then voters were wanting change, it's not the media's fault that she was a symbol of the political establishment.
It's not the media's fault she couldn't connect with an unlikeable personality.
It's not the media's fault she went after guns and turned off many in IA, PA,WI and MI.
It's not the media's fault that her party was so obsessed with race and play doh, that identity politics turned many away from the blue team.
It's not the media's fault that she had the foul old stench of corruption.
It's not the media's fault that she ignored WI and made her campaign about Trump, vice her own ideas.
It's not the media's fault that her campaign was working with the DNC to defeat Bernie.

By the time these leaks came out about Hillary have ethics issues arrived, we were already quite aware who she is. Also, I don't think that flipped anyone, it probably just kept a few home who were already plugging their nose while voting for her.
 

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Boston Globe Op-Ed: Hillary Lost Thanks to One Word, and It's Not 'Russia'

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/11/21/understanding-undecided-voters/9EjNHVkt99b4re2VAB8ziI/story.html


There was one moment when I saw more undecided voters shift to Trump than any other, when it all changed, when voters began to speak differently about their choice. It wasn’t FBI Director James Comey, Part One or Part Two; it wasn’t Benghazi or the e-mails or Bill Clinton’s visit with Attorney General Loretta Lynch on the tarmac. No, the conversation shifted the most during the weekend of Sept. 9, after Clinton said, “You can put half of Trump supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables.”

All hell broke loose.

George told me that his neighborhood was outraged, that many of his hard-working, church-going, family-loving friends resented being called that name. He told me that he looked up the word in the dictionary, and that it meant something so bad that there is no hope, like the aftermath of a tsunami. You know, he said, Clinton ended up being the biggest bully of them all. Whereas Trump bullied her, she bullied Wilkes Barre.

Things were not the same after that, at least with my voters.
 
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Agree to disagree here.

I was irked that Hillary was getting a free pass and bypassing the whole vetting process when the media kept the light on Trump. The media was there to express shock and awe every time he ran his mouth or when the Bush comments or with the gold star dad thing or anything to shine a light on the ridiculous one.

I don't think they ever did an adequate job covering the foundation donations, Bill and the AG meeting on the runway, the bleach bit, the DNC coordination, the debate coordination with Donna B, or the links to her and foreign nations. I felt like we were getting the Trump show before Hillary snuck in.

Then voters were wanting change, it's not the media's fault that she was a symbol of the political establishment.
It's not the media's fault she couldn't connect with an unlikeable personality.
It's not the media's fault she went after guns and turned off many in IA, PA,WI and MI.
It's not the media's fault that her party was so obsessed with race and play doh, that identity politics turned many away from the blue team.
It's not the media's fault that she had the foul old stench of corruption.
It's not the media's fault that she ignored WI and made her campaign about Trump, vice her own ideas.
It's not the media's fault that her campaign was working with the DNC to defeat Bernie.

By the time these leaks came out about Hillary have ethics issues arrived, we were already quite aware who she is. Also, I don't think that flipped anyone, it probably just kept a few home who were already plugging their nose while voting for her.
Right. I think we all suspected but when the leaks came out it pretty much confirmed it. That made it real.
 

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Yeah it was the unpopularity contest. Whenever Trump was in the news his poll numbers diminished, whenever Clinton was in the news, her poll numbers diminished.

That's really what makes the Russian/wikileaks involvement so noteworthy. They very clearly timed the release of Clinton garbage to drive up negatives, while also withholding the GOP garbage. And worse yet, guys like Mitchell McConnell and perhaps FBI Director Coney knew it was going on and didn't inform the voters.

IMO it's stunning that people can shrug their shoulders at all that.

So back in the 90's I did some work for a fellow who's company was trying to "get in" on Russia early. He ended up pulling the plug because he came to the conclusion that having to "partner" with the people in Russia needed to get anything done would have put his and his families lives at risk. With stuff like that in mind it seems pretty clear to me that Donald owes a lot of money to Russians who he can't "default on". If that is the case it would seem the US electoral system is moving closer to resembling what exists in places like Mexico and Russia. That should be disturbing to anyone.
 
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Brother, do not waste yours time on this topic. No one here will ever believe climate change is human caused. I have spent countless hours puting together detailed posts arguing with several people at a time and it is a giant waste if time. They wont read anything. They wont try to see your point. They wont seek to read to be informed and they certainly will not allow their opinion to be changed. I gave up talking about this because all they have to do, in the face of overwhelming evidence, is just repeat the canards they so dearly cling to. BTW this is such a better source for the compiled refutations on climate skeptics than wiki:

https://skepticalscience.com.

I have used this a bunch when discussing this topic elsewhere. It just doesnt work on people here. They are immune to its facts.

I should also add that within this argument lies the two major premises that evolution occurs and the planet is greater than 10000 years old. While I respect everyones beliefs about these two topics, you simply cant have the argument while anyone denies either of the two premises.

Most of what climate scientists claim are facts are actually not. There are a ton of holes in current climate theory that raise legitimate questions not only about the current data (whether it is accurate, whether we have enough at enough distinct locations, effect of cities on data taken in previous agricultural regions, etc) but whether the models are at all reasonable. Further, no scientist has proven that CO2 is a genuine 'greenhouse gas', but rather the only *proven* science on warming sources point to solar-related phenomena and the seasonal variations related to the earth's rotation. Further, there is ample evidence that the earth has switched from warming and cooling periods many hundreds of times in it's history, with some switches relatively mild and as short as 50 years. All of that has basically been proven with current data that is deemed reliable by many.

Here is an interview with Lord Monckton discussing his years-long research into the mathematics and a paper he is about to publish which severely criticizes specifically the upper bound of temperature differentiation proposed by some climate change theorists - he has stated that he has had two very renowned physicists/climate researchers review the work and he will be publishing soon and will provided to the British government for review.

I am not an evangelist for any side of the argument; rather I just want the truth and am waiting to do the applicable research to get there before panicking into any moves one way or the other. I think based on current evidence, there is not proof of man-made global warming though some data suggests we do adversely affect the environment in many ways. What is more clear to me is that we do pollute our environment quite heavily and this leads to very bad effects on wildlife, water, and our lands. However, I do not feel that man-made global warming or climate change has been shown nearly as conclusively as pollution damage has, and the current models, math, and methods need to be openly challenged with a chance to confirm or discredit.

There is still plenty of room for debate and discussion. What alarms me is the increasingly rampant militarized attitude of 'some' people who believe in man-made climate change who are wanting to criminalize not only certain industrial activity, but even the open debate on the topic which is the hallmark of our Constitutional principals. I think *that development* has been disturbing and shows that some will go to any means to have their way, regardless of the need for further research, debate, and decision making by all sides. In the end, only the truth about this topic will matter to whether we are truly damaging our world on the level some have proposed. Everything else will just end up as historical noise and wasted dollars/effort.
 
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I can't believe I'm saying this but Joe freaking Right Wing Radio Walsh is the voice of reason on this right now:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There. Shouldn't. Even. Be. A. Debate. <br><br>Come on, man. Investigate now dammit. Bipartisan.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RussiaHackers?src=hash">#RussiaHackers</a></p>— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) <a href="https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/807949410336382981">December 11, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There's evidence Russia messed around with our election, but cuz our guy won, people on my side are ok with that?<br><br>That's so fucking wrong.</p>— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) <a href="https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/807703919069630464">December 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's not about re litigating the election. It's about finding out what happened. Making sure it never happens again<br><br>We should all want that</p>— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) <a href="https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/807972777961603073">December 11, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Also team, elections are multifaceted things and there doesn't have to be just one "but for" cause.
 
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Most of what climate scientists claim are facts are actually not. There are a ton of holes in current climate theory that raise legitimate questions not only about the current data (whether it is accurate, whether we have enough at enough distinct locations, effect of cities on data taken in previous agricultural regions, etc) but whether the models are at all reasonable. Further, no scientist has proven that CO2 is a genuine 'greenhouse gas', but rather the only *proven* science on warming sources point to solar-related phenomena and the seasonal variations related to the earth's rotation. Further, there is ample evidence that the earth has switched from warming and cooling periods many hundreds of times in it's history, with some switches relatively mild and as short as 50 years. All of that has basically been proven with current data that is deemed reliable by many.

Here is an interview with Lord Monckton discussing his years-long research into the mathematics and a paper he is about to publish which severely criticizes specifically the upper bound of temperature differentiation proposed by some climate change theorists - he has stated that he has had two very renowned physicists/climate researchers review the work and he will be publishing soon and will provided to the British government for review.

I am not an evangelist for any side of the argument; rather I just want the truth and am waiting to do the applicable research to get there before panicking into any moves one way or the other. I think based on current evidence, there is not proof of man-made global warming though some data suggests we do adversely affect the environment in many ways. What is more clear to me is that we do pollute our environment quite heavily and this leads to very bad effects on wildlife, water, and our lands. However, I do not feel that man-made global warming or climate change has been shown nearly as conclusively as pollution damage has, and the current models, math, and methods need to be openly challenged with a chance to confirm or discredit.

There is still plenty of room for debate and discussion. What alarms me is the increasingly rampant militarized attitude of 'some' people who believe in man-made climate change who are wanting to criminalize not only certain industrial activity, but even the open debate on the topic which is the hallmark of our Constitutional principals. I think *that development* has been disturbing and shows that some will go to any means to have their way, regardless of the need for further research, debate, and decision making by all sides. In the end, only the truth about this topic will matter to whether we are truly damaging our world on the level some have proposed. Everything else will just end up as historical noise and wasted dollars/effort.
I rest my case. Literally every one of the several canards in this post have been addressed over and over yet they continue to persist. CO2 isnt a greenhouse gas. Lmao. Excuse while i shit my pants.
 
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