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For a while Republicans owned the South AND California- would have had an uninterrupted run of comfortable Republican victories after the civil rights act was signed up until Clinton if it weren't for Watergate.

I don't think y'all have the same sort of electoral advantage today (as evinced by Trump's historically low margin of victory). But we'll see- if he can actually deliver that could change. I think he overpromissed and will under deliver.

As already discussed, everyone over-promises. I don't think Trump has to deliver on all of his promises to get a second term. He only has to 1) deliver in a few key areas, 2) prove he can handle the job without embarrassing the country, 3) bring back some national pride, and 4) keep the rural vote in swing states.

IMO, not a huge task if he can just continue to tone it down and go after some key areas he campaigned on..... like keeping jobs here, going after big business, going after the political establishment, etc..

Folks like Buster will cry the sky is falling, scream prejudice, claim unfair and evil, conflate, and inflate all the silly stuff he does.. so he's never going to win over folks like that. And that's OK. They're one of the main reasons for Trumps popularity anyway. There's enough nationalist momentum to support a lot of the things he's preaching so as long as that translates into some stuff that appeals to the moderate dems and independents,,, he'll be just fine.

We'll see. Definitely an interesting time.

Politically, I think socially our country has changed in that a lot of folks that expect hand outs automatically assume Dem is their correct choice.

In a world of more takers than givers, I doubt you'll ever see that again.

And as long as takers and multigenerational welfare hands continue to breed like mice, this trend will continue.

Eventually something will give and reverse somethings. When? Who knows.

I'm just glad I live where there's a lot of hard labor to be done.

I agree to an extent but I think it's bigger than that. I think there's other groups of people who have always assumed Dems is their correct choice. I think Trump can win over some of those pockets via the above. It still makes me chuckle that minorities bought in to the whole HRC line of crap. She was more big business than a lot of GOPers. As I said above, interesting times. I think he's capable of swinging some of those pockets if he focuses in the right places.

To your point about takers. agree 100%. It's a sad sad place right now. The level of entitlement among the young and other groups scares the shit out of me. Easy handouts and a lack of hope create that.
 
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His strong 8 years even allowed for a landslide incumbent party guy, George H, to come in and squash his own dem.

Good 12 year run I see repeating itself again, now.

You are kidding on both accounts - right?
 
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And as far as the next twelve years of bliss for either of the major political parties in this country, with Donald Trump as president they will have to make room for a few additions :

1) United Russia (Единая Россия) ER (ЕР)
2) Communist Party of the Russian Federation (Коммунистическая партия Российской Федерации) CPRF, KPRF (КПРФ)
3) Political party LDPR (Политическая партия ЛДПР) LDPR (ЛДПР)
4) Patriots of Russia (Патриоты России)

And this is going to play out very interestingly. The Democrats have shown themselves dickless; the Republicans in office have shown themselves too adept at taking dick from any source; and the Trump cohort (Trump supporters and Rabid Republicans) continue to show that they cannot separate fact from reality.

WASHINGTON — An extraordinary breach has emerged between President-elect Donald J. Trump and the national security establishment, with Mr. Trump mocking American intelligence assessments that Russia interfered in the election on his behalf, and top Republicans vowing investigations into Kremlin activities.

Mr. Trump, in a statement issued by his transition team on Friday evening, expressed complete disbelief in the intelligence agencies’ assessments. “These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,” Mr. Trump’s team said, adding that the election was over and that it was time to “move on.”

Though Mr. Trump has wasted no time in antagonizing the agencies, to carry out priorities like combating terrorism and deterring cyberattacks he will have to rely on them for the sort of espionage activities and analysis that they spend more than $70 billion a year to perform.

At this point in a transition, a president-elect is usually delving into intelligence he has never before seen and learning about C.I.A. and National Security Agency abilities. But Mr. Trump, who has taken intelligence briefings only sporadically, is questioning not only analytic conclusions, but also their underlying facts.

“To have the president-elect of the United States simply reject the fact-based narrative that the intelligence community puts together because it conflicts with his a priori assumptions — wow,” said Michael V. Hayden, who was the director of the N.S.A. and later the C.I.A. under President George W. Bush.

With the partisan emotions on both sides — Mr. Trump’s supporters see a plot to undermine his presidency, and Hillary Clinton’s supporters see a conspiracy to keep her from the presidency — the result is an environment in which even those basic facts become the basis for dispute.

Mr. Trump’s team lashed out at the agencies after The Washington Post reported that the C.I.A. believed that Russia had intervened to undercut Mrs. Clinton and lift Mr. Trump, and The New York Times reported that Russia had broken into Republican National Committee computer networks just as they had broken into Democratic ones, but had released documents only on the Democrats.

The president-elect finds himself in a bind after strenuously rejecting for months all assertions that Russia was working to help him. While there is no evidence that the Russian efforts affected the outcome of the election or the legitimacy of the vote, Mr. Trump and his aides want to shut the door on any such notion, including the idea that President Vladimir V. Putin schemed to put him in office.

Instead, Mr. Trump casts the issue as an unknowable mystery. “It could be Russia,” he recently told Time magazine. “And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey.”

The Republicans who lead the congressional committees overseeing intelligence, the Pentagon and the Department of Homeland Security take the opposite view. They say that Russia was behind the election meddling, but that the scope and intent of the operation need deep investigation, hearings and public reports.

As a final note on this website, it wasn't some white guy in Ohio that went to the polls and elected Donald Trump; it was some guy, and two women that stayed home, that got him elected!
 

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And as far as the next twelve years of bliss for either of the major political parties in this country, with Donald Trump as president they will have to make room for a few additions :

1) United Russia (Единая Россия) ER (ЕР)
2) Communist Party of the Russian Federation (Коммунистическая партия Российской Федерации) CPRF, KPRF (КПРФ)
3) Political party LDPR (Политическая партия ЛДПР) LDPR (ЛДПР)
4) Patriots of Russia (Патриоты России)

And this is going to play out very interestingly. The Democrats have shown themselves dickless; the Republicans in office have shown themselves too adept at taking dick from any source; and the Trump cohort (Trump supporters and Rabid Republicans) continue to show that they cannot separate fact from reality.



As a final note on this website, it wasn't some white guy in Ohio that went to the polls and elected Donald Trump; it was some guy, and two women that stayed home, that got him elected!

You can't quit over not agreeing. Maybe I read that wrong.
 
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And HRC was the picture of honesty?

YJ, you know I love you man - right?

To have a meaningful dialog about this, step away from the candidates for a minute.

No politician is honest. None. And there never has been one. Never.

We good there?

So it isn't about honesty, per se. Before we go there, we should address what elections are about.

For example, from reading this thread, I am sure that a couple of posters would dig up a couple of ex-presidents to give them a blow job, if they could. But that kind of chauvinism is only part of what elections are about; the net inventory of the national mental insufficiency.

In years when things are going well from a citizens standpoint, I don't mean peace versus war, I mean being able to cope with what is happening around them, people make certain predictable decisions, that seem and are rational.

This time the public was faced with a congress they hated and feared slightly more than Ebola, a president that had as high of popularity and approval ratings as anyone set to leave office, in thirty or forty years. The electorate had a mild discomfort about the direction the country was headed, but it was less negative than eight years prior, and the country decided to pick a candidate that lied every time he spoke.

Why not throw out the congress? Most people could even make the connection that they were a big part of the problem? Instead, they gave them more power. Why?

Because people never really want the truth, and when they (the population as a whole) are really feeling sick) they want it even less.

So what Hillary is, that Donald Trump isn't, is the kind of person that can relate well enough to others that in analysis, she wants what is best for the country.

So, bunches of her detractors/Trump supporters said, she was no better than Trump (you get the disease and illogic in that, right?) Which is fine. However, she gracefully conceded. That narcissistic alexithymic buffoon still goes off claiming that millions of votes were fraudulent, which is the only reason HRC won the popular vote by two-million and counting. Can you really believe that? And that anyone buys his bull shit!

That is the classic character study of someone you don't want to be in charge of anything, and I see this election as the political equivalent by the electorate, of an individual committing suicide, or attempting it.

So, to summarize, HRC couldn't get away with a single lie of the type and breadth that Trump peppered his daily speech. Two final things. Because of the way the election came together Trump could get away with it and Clinton couldn't. A bit of the reason was her, and her husband's background and history, and Trumps lack thereof with the electorate. But part of it was Trump's I don't give a damned attitude, linked up with the electorate's white sub-components fear of being devalued. Many never got over having a President with any African ancestry, however, this probably wasn't the first time, and with that, it was easy to use anti-woman sentiment against HRC, to help repress any enthusiasm the electorate may have had for electing a woman.

Maybe that was the whole of the illness suffered by the American electorate, seeing old prejudices that many, if not most, accepted as truth, topple, getting ready to fall. Disgusting as I find it, I certainly saw enough of it this election cycle.

But at any rate, everyone should take a minute and just stop with the pedantic petty arguments, and puffery, related to mine versus yours. This cycle, with Donald Trump just outright lying, I am afraid he broke the process. There is no room for him to be accountable for his actions.

So I don't really care about defending HRC, as long as you admit that Trump is truly what he is, devoid of any concern for what comes out of his own mouth, or whether his word and his actions align.

And I predict that those right now that think this post is so silly (or whatever expletive you would choose) will be the first to suffer and complain. Because, Donald is the only person scheduled to get what he wants, as of now.

And for all of you Republicans, you are my best hope. I hope your leaders will stand up to Trump with his Russian Alliances, and other breaches of the Constitution. They will be coming fast and furious. Might not have a lot of time to evaluate whether the cost is worth it. Good luck!
 

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And as far as the next twelve years of bliss for either of the major political parties in this country, with Donald Trump as president they will have to make room for a few additions :

1) United Russia (Единая Россия) ER (ЕР)
2) Communist Party of the Russian Federation (Коммунистическая партия Российской Федерации) CPRF, KPRF (КПРФ)
3) Political party LDPR (Политическая партия ЛДПР) LDPR (ЛДПР)
4) Patriots of Russia (Патриоты России)

And this is going to play out very interestingly. The Democrats have shown themselves dickless; the Republicans in office have shown themselves too adept at taking dick from any source; and the Trump cohort (Trump supporters and Rabid Republicans) continue to show that they cannot separate fact from reality.



As a final note on this website, it wasn't some white guy in Ohio that went to the polls and elected Donald Trump; it was some guy, and two women that stayed home, that got him elected!

All interesting issues that the US will have to deal with,,, I agree. But some lib's belief that the Don is in cahoots with, or will be butt buddies with Russia is funny to me.

I also don't buy anything about Russia impacting the elections. If they hacked or leaked anything, so what if they shed light on HRC's anti Bernie campaign, or any of the other stupid stuff we heard about. It wasn't lies.... HRC is just not an easily liked candidate period. And she's part of the establishment so many are sick and tire of. Overall, a big meh...

I'd love to see the actual "proof", but even if they were responsible for leaks, it's not like they hacked polls and changed results.
 
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So is anyone concerned about Russia's involvement with this election. Headlines out today are worrisome IMO.
 

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So is anyone concerned about Russia's involvement with this election. Headlines out today are worrisome IMO.

Worrisome how?

That they weren't fair and impartial and hacked Trump? I mean, is that news?

That they picked a side? Name an election the US didn't have a side picked in.

That they went out of their way to impact the election? Don't pick a flawed candidate that destroys evidence of her wrongdoing and works with her party to rig the primary.

Personally, I don't care.
 
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Worrisome how?

That they weren't fair and impartial and hacked Trump? I mean, is that news?

That they picked a side? Name an election the US didn't have a side picked in.

That they went out of their way to impact the election? Don't pick a flawed candidate that destroys evidence of her wrongdoing and works with her party to rig the primary.

Personally, I don't care.

You dont care that our greatest enemy of the century was meddling in our election? Thats an amazing statement.
 
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You dont care that our greatest enemy of the century was meddling in our election? Thats an amazing statement.

I am more concerned of Iran ( the folks that Obama sent the cash too) and China (the people who run free hacking all of our defense contractors) than I am the people who expose Hillary.

The cold war is over. Russia has no respect for Obama. I'll try this. Thanks
 
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I am more concerned of Iran ( the folks that Obama sent the cash too) and China (the people who run free hacking all of our defense contractors) than I am the people who expose Hillary.

The cold war is over. Russia has no respect for Obama. I'll try this. Thanks

Corrct me if i am I wrong but that cash payment made to Iran was restitution for a legal issue from 30 years ago that had finally been resolved. It would have been made regardless who the president was. The US screwed up and had to pay for it.

Russia has reportedly hacked both parties but only sabotaged The Dems by using Wikileaks. Its not that they only have info on the Dems. They have info on the Repubs AND they favored Trump. Trump has several people in his camp that have pro Russia/Putin ties.

And reportedly the hackers may have influenced the voting results... you dont care about Russia influencing our democractic process?

I also dont think the cold war ever ended.
 

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Corrct me if i am I wrong but that cash payment made to Iran was restitution for a legal issue from 30 years ago that had finally been resolved. It would have been made regardless who the president was. The US screwed up and had to pay for it.

Russia has reportedly hacked both parties but only sabotaged The Dems by using Wikileaks. Its not that they only have info on the Dems. They have info on the Repubs AND they favored Trump. Trump has several people in his camp that have pro Russia/Putin ties.

And reportedly the hackers may have influenced the voting results... you dont care about Russia influencing our democractic process?

I also dont think the cold war ever ended.

It probably never ended in the eyes of Putin. He's a nationalist too. No, I don't think other countries meddling in our elections or anything is good. It should be a wake-up call for cyber security. Especially, for the democrats. I don't think the Russians really impacted the results. People already knew Hillary was crooked. It may have kept some Bernie votes home who didn't care for the DNC's tactics. However, who's fault is that?

We can agree to disagree as to whether or not a POTUS should have given a terror-sponsoring nation like Iran money.

Other nations hacking us endlessly isn't new or unique to this situation.
 
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It probably never ended in the eyes of Putin. He's a nationalist too. No, I don't think other countries meddling in our elections or anything is good. It should be a wake-up call for cyber security. Especially, for the democrats. I don't think the Russians really impacted the results. People already knew Hillary was crooked. It may have kept some Bernie votes home who didn't care for the DNC's tactics. However, who's fault is that?

We can agree to disagree as to whether or not a POTUS should have given a terror-sponsoring nation like Iran money.

I defintiely agree that HRC was rife with corruption. And the DNC got exposed big time. Ut Russia is also turned far more rightwing with Putin leading and his moves in the Ukraine, his anti NATO moves in europe, and his involvement with Syria is worrisome. I predicted six months or so ago that if HRC got elected we would be in a ground war in Syria, possibly against Russia. I guess we will never know. But if Russia is happy having Trump in office (which they have openly stated) that gives me concern as well.
 

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I defintiely agree that HRC was rife with corruption. And the DNC got exposed big time. Ut Russia is also turned far more rightwing with Putin leading and his moves in the Ukraine, his anti NATO moves in europe, and his involvement with Syria is worrisome. I predicted six months or so ago that if HRC got elected we would be in a ground war in Syria, possibly against Russia. I guess we will never know. But if Russia is happy having Trump in office (which they have openly stated) that gives me concern as well.

I trust in Mattis to ensure that our POTUS goes the right way with this. I think Trump recognizes that he is miles ahead of him in understanding the world.

It's not ideal, but people are acting like this a shocking revelation and that it somehow changed the results. People would probably be in outrage too to find out how much secret information was retrieved by foreign nationals from HRC's server while she was reckless abroad.

This country needs a huge wake-up call in cyber security. Hopefully, this is it.
 

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Corrct me if i am I wrong but that cash payment made to Iran was restitution for a legal issue from 30 years ago that had finally been resolved. It would have been made regardless who the president was. The US screwed up and had to pay for it.

Russia has reportedly hacked both parties but only sabotaged The Dems by using Wikileaks. Its not that they only have info on the Dems. They have info on the Repubs AND they favored Trump. Trump has several people in his camp that have pro Russia/Putin ties.

And reportedly the hackers may have influenced the voting results... you dont care about Russia influencing our democractic process?

I also dont think the cold war ever ended.

I do care that a foreign entity could possibly go to great lengths to alter an election here. But I care much more that the media in OUR country did the same.
 

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Corrct me if i am I wrong but that cash payment made to Iran was restitution for a legal issue from 30 years ago that had finally been resolved. It would have been made regardless who the president was. The US screwed up and had to pay for it.

Russia has reportedly hacked both parties but only sabotaged The Dems by using Wikileaks. Its not that they only have info on the Dems. They have info on the Repubs AND they favored Trump. Trump has several people in his camp that have pro Russia/Putin ties.

And reportedly the hackers may have influenced the voting results... you dont care about Russia influencing our democractic process?

I also dont think the cold war ever ended.

In short, I don't really care that either party got hacked about election misdeeds, etc.. If either party does stupid things and it gets out, it's their own fault for doing/saying stupid things. I don't really see that as a threat to the election process. If they hacked the polls and changed results, that another thing.

With all the hacking going on, I don't really care if the government get's thrown under the bus (any of them) for doing wrong. I actually like that the American people are able to see what really goes on. It's dirty and it's foul. The fact that they chose to release some (HRC) and not another candidates does not bother me at all. Fair hacking....??? lol...

Specifically on Russia.... the cold war never died. The cold got a bit warmer due to fall of the Soviet Union, but it never went away. Stuff like that festers for centuries before it ever goes away. The dems have been dickless when it comes to Russia anyway. I'm betting Trump has a firmer hand when it comes to Putin than HRC ever would. Sure Trump will banter, and say some good things (more politics) about Putin/Russia, but I think even Putin knows that Trump will take less shit than Obama, HRC, etc...
 
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The US does the same shit to other countries. Tough to get all worked up about it.

Absolutely we did. But do we want to have a Russian puppet president? That is unacceptable IMO. I dont understand your apathy.
 

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I do care that a foreign entity could possibly go to great lengths to alter an election here. But I care much more that the media in OUR country did the same.

Bravo! Bravo!


Also, look for this new SoS Rex Tillerson to have a good working relationship with the Kremlin.
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The biggest threat in the world right now is not Russia. It's China and Iran.

China has probably hacked us more than Russia ever will. They hold a ton of our cash. The whole South China Sea thing. Plus, they are building a military to fight ours by design with our tech that they stole.

Iran is less of a threat per-se, but they would be less challenging to handle than China.

Also, ISIS, ISIL, whatever. Being on the same page with the Ruskies isn't a bad place to be when we need to eye everywhere else.
 

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Absolutely we did. But do we want to have a Russian puppet president? That is unacceptable IMO. I dont understand your apathy.

You really think Trump will be a puppet?
I think a lot of things about Trump (a lot negative), but I don't see his ego or pride letting him ever become a puppet.
 
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In short, I don't really care that either party got hacked about election misdeeds, etc.. If either party does stupid things and it gets out, it's their own fault for doing/saying stupid things. I don't really see that as a threat to the election process. If they hacked the polls and changed results, that another thing.

With all the hacking going on, I don't really care if the government get's thrown under the bus (any of them) for doing wrong. I actually like that the American people are able to see what really goes on. It's dirty and it's foul. The fact that they chose to release some (HRC) and not another candidates does not bother me at all. Fair hacking....??? lol...

Specifically on Russia.... the cold water never died. The cold got a bit warmer due to fall of the Soviet Union, but it never went away. Stuff like that festers for centuries before it ever goes away. The dems have been dickless when it comes to Russia anyway. I'm betting Trump has a firmer hand when it comes to Putin than HRC ever would. Sure Trump will banter, and say some good things (more politics) about Putin/Russia, but I think even Putin knows that Trump will take less shit than Obama, HRC, etc...
I dont think I meant fair hacking, just that they were selective presently and decided to target Dems. That does not mean later they cant go after Republicans to suit their desires.

Re: Trump being tough on Russia... I dont see him getting tough at all and by all accounts they could have a very cozy relationship. Obviously time will tell.
 

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I dont think I meant fair hacking, just that they were selective presently and decided to target Dems. That does not mean later they cant go after Republicans to suit their desires.

Re: Trump being tough on Russia... I dont see him getting tough at all and by all accounts they could have a very cozy relationship. Obviously time will tell.

I do think Trump will surprise when it comes to Russia/Putin. Time will indeed tell.

One thing I think folks ignore however is the need to slow the Sino-Russian butt buddy party. A strong China-Russia partnership could hose a lot of shit up. To slow that, you have to pick one and try to improve relations. If we are to pick one of the two to try and warm up to, I hope it's not China.

Trump and Putin are both egomaniac macho adolescents. If that keeps Putin's hands out of Jinping's pants, I'm OK with a little public affection. I mean what does a little Trump-Putin PDA really do? Is Trump going to all of sudden support Russia in going after some of the old USSR states? I doubt it. What really do you see Trump doing (negative stuff) as it relates to Putin or Russia?
 
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