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Haha. GBDoomer had me convinced and then this. Very true and well put.

There has got to be a big twist of some sort because otherwise if it was Hoyt it seems likely they would have solved it from this 1990 point. It is unsolved in the present time line.

I'm sure there will be some twist. Not sure if it's a twist involving Wayne's wife, his daughter, the DA or something more way out.


And the case likely goes to a larger scope of a something conspiratorial beyond just people covering for Hoyt. A pedophile ring seems likely. I don't see O'Brien having (paranoid) knowledge of an isolated incident.

My buddy has said from the start that they will somehow tie in S1 at minimum, and maybe season 2 by the end. They already showed our S1 heroes on the laptop. Is that just a vacant rabbit hole, or is there something more? I'm gonna guess there's a unfinished/unproven tie in at the end to elitist peds (like S1).

Some say the girl in S3 is one of the prostitutes in S1.

What would blow my mind to smithereens is an appearance by one of our S1 stars.
 

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Showed MM & WH on the laptop again. News chick is bring up a conspiracy that expands past locally. Who was in the car that sped away? Loved how Roland and Hays worked together to get the license plate. How does Hoyt know what Roland and Hays did?

One episode left and it's only an hour long, so the finale will probably move quickly.
 

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With one ep to go we still don't know what the deal is with happened to Hays wife or daughter. A lot of things to get straight. I guess maybe the wife finds out he is a killer and leaves him.
 

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He did say he would tell her everything once things were settled. Did she leave him because he told her what happened?
 

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He did say he would tell her everything once things were settled. Did she leave him because he told her what happened?

I'm almost positive shes dead. Why else would he have been dropping his daughter off at college alone? Even if she had left him, she wouldn't be missing something that important.
 

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I'm almost positive shes dead. Why else would he have been dropping his daughter off at college alone? Even if she had left him, she wouldn't be missing something that important.

Could be she's in prison at that time.
 

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Why do they look younger in the 90s than they do in the 80s when the case first breaks?

Stephen Dorff especially.
 

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A little bummed. Most of the finale was straight forward until he took his road trip and forgot why he was there. I thought that piece was pretty brilliant.
 

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Yeah I'm never going to Reddit again for TV. Literally the entire season was spoiled 3 weeks in.

Pretty disappointed in the finale. There was nothing remotely unpredictable about it. I also was kind of pissed there wasn't some bigger conspiracy that could potentially tie into other seasons.

The season was excellent but I felt let down by the end.
 

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The best scene was Roland's break down bar fight and then the stray dog. Made me tear up.
Great show not a great ending.
 

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The best scene was Roland's break down bar fight and then the stray dog. Made me tear up.
Great show not a great ending.

Roland's dialogue was great. I'm guessing he was looking to get beat up as his penance for killing the security dude.

I guess it's left to our own imagination as to what happened to Hays wife?
 

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I guess it's left to our own imagination as to what happened to Hays wife?

I thought it was just me, there is no explanation except that she must be dead because she has become some kind of Obi-Wan Kenobi.
 

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I thought it was just me, there is no explanation except that she must be dead because she has become some kind of Obi-Wan Kenobi.

No explanation given but fairly easy to understand. They started the episode by showing Hays working as head of on-campus security at the college his wife was now a professor at. So, it shows they made it through all of that together, in the very beginning. Then goes back and shows how they got there.

Overall, I loved the season but I was also disappointed in the final episode. My wife fell asleep during it so we'll re-watch it tonight and maybe I'll have a better appreciation for it. But as of now, I expected more.
 

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No explanation given but fairly easy to understand. They started the episode by showing Hays working as head of on-campus security at the college his wife was now a professor at. So, it shows they made it through all of that together, in the very beginning. Then goes back and shows how they got there.

Overall, I loved the season but I was also disappointed in the final episode. My wife fell asleep during it so we'll re-watch it tonight and maybe I'll have a better appreciation for it. But as of now, I expected more.

The fact she appears to him as a youthful women we conclude she dies pretty young or he just wanted to remember her young rather than old?
 

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The fact she appears to him as a youthful women we conclude she dies pretty young or he just wanted to remember her young rather than old?

I think that's fair. I'm no expert on guessing age but they both had started to grey a fair amount and they adjusted the makeup for her to look more wrinkled than we'd seen before. Maybe that scene shows them as early/mid 60's?
 

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Don't read this if you're still waiting to watch the finale.


An article in Vanity fair suggests that this seasons series is not about the murder itself, but about Hay's life and attempt to become the personable man he was before he went to Viet Nam. The final scene in VietNam is supposed to show you how he became a hardened person without a lot of emotion. The scene with him on the porch with Roland and his family shows he finally reconnected on an emotional level.
 

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Don't read this if you're still waiting to watch the finale.


An article in Vanity fair suggests that this seasons series is not about the murder itself, but about Hay's life and attempt to become the personable man he was before he went to Viet Nam. The final scene in VietNam is supposed to show you how he became a hardened person without a lot of emotion. The scene with him on the porch with Roland and his family shows he finally reconnected on an emotional level.

I think both S1 and 3 were as much (or more) about the protagonists, than the actual crime or mystery. In S1, both protagonist and story were exceptional. In S2, both were mediocre. In S3, I think the protagonists were great, the mystery/crime was a little above average. Casting really nailed it in S1 and 3, and shit the bed IMO in 2.

While I was a little disappointed in the mystery/story ending in S3, I love it how they left it with Purple figuring it out, but losing it, like he's losing himself. And I love that Dorff is moving in with the dogs.

Didn't really care for their shameless tie in to S1 (laptop image) which turned out to be meaningless to the story. Same with the documentary chick.
 

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The show creator said in an interview that Amelia died peacefully but suddenly a few years before the latest timeline. He said they had to cut the scene out.
 

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The show creator said in an interview that Amelia died peacefully but suddenly a few years before the latest timeline. He said they had to cut the scene out.

Thanks for sharing. Didn’t see know that.
 

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I think both S1 and 3 were as much (or more) about the protagonists, than the actual crime or mystery. In S1, both protagonist and story were exceptional. In S2, both were mediocre. In S3, I think the protagonists were great, the mystery/crime was a little above average. Casting really nailed it in S1 and 3, and shit the bed IMO in 2.

While I was a little disappointed in the mystery/story ending in S3, I love it how they left it with Purple figuring it out, but losing it, like he's losing himself. And I love that Dorff is moving in with the dogs.

Didn't really care for their shameless tie in to S1 (laptop image) which turned out to be meaningless to the story. Same with the documentary chick.

I just got around to watching last night, so it's still processing. Overall, the case wrapped too neatly. But I suppose the connection to S1 and documentarian made for an effective red herring even if it did play on our own desires as an audience for a particular outcome. I like the open-ended nature of whether Julie Purcell lived or not. Was it one last brilliant insight from a detective on his last legs or was it a writers desire for the power to choose her own satisfying ending?

I think the convo in the car with his daughter backs up the losing/finding of himself. When Hays asks if he lost her, it was clearly significant and deeper than the immediacy of his dementia. The lost and found aspect of Purple's humanity was profound. It hit home. From that lens, it makes the sequencing of the last episode near perfect.

Roland's transformation was less compelling but also less complete. His redemption is found in helping Hays at the end. In my opinion, the dogs and booze (which he appears to never lose as a crutch) represent comfort in the face of having killed a man, but in themselves, don't allow him to transcend the act.

I suppose that while we're left with loose ends, we have enough info to make some inferences. He pushed his daughter away in her teens/early 20s through the force of his personality. She finds it best for herself as a grown woman to keep significant distance from her father. Maybe there was a singular incident, maybe it the cumulative effect of years of an abrasive father. We can safely infer that Hays and his wife stay together until her death. They make the decision to let the Purcell case's central focus in their lives fall away (he leaves the force, she drops the second book).
 

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The show creator said in an interview that Amelia died peacefully but suddenly a few years before the latest timeline. He said they had to cut the scene.

No wonder I couldn’t figure it out. Thanks
 
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Finished Season 3 yesterday with a few friends. Overall a great season, but the ending was underwhelming, not totally satisfying.
 

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Finished Season 3 yesterday with a few friends. Overall a great season, but the ending was underwhelming, not totally satisfying.

Ha ha, it's funny how each of us has a different impression. I really enjoyed Season 3. It didn't leave me in awe like Season 1 but I loved that it had a good ending and didn't go in the terribly dark direction we thought it was going.

Hope he gets a Season 4 to start afresh.
 
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