Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

PigtownIrish

WaterGIRL
Messages
846
Reaction score
730
Does it matter what adjustments Tommy makes if our offense scheme is fundamentally hot trash? For years now it seems like all I've heard (albeit anecdotal) is that we tip our plays based on personnel/formation and the defense already knows what play we will run. Rees is too inexperienced to tear the whole thing down and start over.
 

Sea Turtle

Slow and steady wins the race
Messages
5,643
Reaction score
3,486
I doubt Rees is in any trouble
Does it matter what adjustments Tommy makes if our offense scheme is fundamentally hot trash? For years now it seems like all I've heard (albeit anecdotal) is that we tip our plays based on personnel/formation and the defense already knows what play we will run. Rees is too inexperienced to tear the whole thing down and start over.
I wonder if Rees is reading this.
Jimmy Connors got mad at a comment I made on one of his fan YouTube channels and responded sarcastically to my negative comment today. Unreal.
 

Jiggafini19Deux

Minister of Delayed Gratification
Messages
13,479
Reaction score
14,203
If Rees is let go/promotes in the off season, I’d like to see Freeman poach an OC at a big school or hire a former HC that got fired in the carousel.

Going with the “up and coming” route is getting stale and they’re about to be 0/3 with that idea: Sanford, Long, Rees (maybe).
An OC who becomes free who has HC experience is another list to compile. Sean Lewis from Kent State comes to mind right away as do the Brohm Brothers at Purdue. So much of that depends on timing and the will of the candidate to want to coach right away as opposed to taking time off.

I really like Sean Lewis. He coached under Dino Babers at EIU, BGSU and Syracuse so he has the ins and outs of the Briles Baylor offense. He's a young guy too and being OC at ND would be a nice pay day for him. Brohm would be really interesting.

Those guys you mention were all Kelly hires. That's the difference. Sanford and Long are both currently P5 OCs, too, so their trajectories haven't completely gone down the toilet yet. Long didn't work out due to his personality more than any kind of schematic failures. It's stale when they don't work out, yeah, but it's fucking great when you find the next guy and you build upon it. Kelly got it right with his DC hires. You have to hope that Freeman would be able to get it right with OC AND DC hires for as long as he's around.
 

anarin

They call me Chuck.
Messages
3,284
Reaction score
809
I feel like no matter what happens from this point forward, Rees will not be back next season.

Either he keeps falling flat and they eventually replace him during the year, or he figures some shit out and turns it around and some smaller program gives him a shot as a head coach.

But, I'd say we'll have a new OC regardless of the rest of the year. All we can do now is show our support (some of us) or keep shitting on this guy (most of us).
 

stlnd01

Was away. Now returned.
Messages
13,386
Reaction score
10,247
Personally I think Hartline would be over-correcting Rees’ weakness as a recruiter, especially when the bigger issues right now are QB development and play calling.

If/when Rees is gone, an OC with experience in one/both of those departments. We already have Stuckey and McCullough to go recruit skill players.
 

NDdomer2

Local Sports vBookie
Messages
17,050
Reaction score
3,875
to echo someones point about the DL - yeah recruiting saw a pick up at WR with stuckey but has the product on the field?

What if the reports of Merriweather not knowing the playbook are true. Doesnt a portion of that fall on Stuckey not getting him prepared to play?

all I am saying is this new group of positional coaches havent earned the benefit of the doubt yet and should also be evaluated.
 

Irish4life

Well-known member
Messages
2,887
Reaction score
3,674
to echo someones point about the DL - yeah recruiting saw a pick up at WR with stuckey but has the product on the field?

What if the reports of Merriweather not knowing the playbook are true. Doesnt a portion of that fall on Stuckey not getting him prepared to play?

all I am saying is this new group of positional coaches havent earned the benefit of the doubt yet and should also be evaluated.
Loy did say he's expecting Merriweather to play this Saturday FWIW. And I think it's pretty difficult to judge Stuckey at this point. We knew going in that he was handed the toughest hand of the new assistants with the WR room in the state that it is.
 

Free Manera

Well-known member
Messages
2,949
Reaction score
3,547
to echo someones point about the DL - yeah recruiting saw a pick up at WR with stuckey but has the product on the field?

What if the reports of Merriweather not knowing the playbook are true. Doesnt a portion of that fall on Stuckey not getting him prepared to play?

all I am saying is this new group of positional coaches havent earned the benefit of the doubt yet and should also be evaluated.
I would say two things to this. 1. Five star WRs look a lot more developed out there than 3 and low 4 stars, and 2. many of the reporters are starting to say the playbook and/or messaging are overcomplicated.

This is like a Brian Kelly offense all over again where young skill can't get on the field because it's too complicated. Pro style offense is great. In the pros. Let's try a college style offense and see what that's like maybe.
 

NDdomer2

Local Sports vBookie
Messages
17,050
Reaction score
3,875
like all things the truth is a combination/somewhere in the middle.

I am just saying, in the instance of hiring a new OC, if he is a WR specialist from a positional standpoint, I wouldnt let hiring stuckey just last year be the thing that stands in my way.
 

Irish4life

Well-known member
Messages
2,887
Reaction score
3,674
Apologies if me beating this drum is getting annoying, but figured this was worth sharing. Buchner in 2021 threw 11 RPOs out of 35 passes (31% of his passes). He was 10/11 for 142 yards and 2 TDs/0 INTs. in 2022, Buchner threw.......6 RPOs (7 including a sack) out of 50 passes (12% of his passes). On those 5 RPOs, he was 5/6 for 88 yards. All stats from https://twitter.com/sportsinfo_sis
 
Last edited:

NumbersGuy0520

Well-known member
Messages
960
Reaction score
1,344
Yeah. Idk why it’s rocket science to Tommy that a mobile QB would see a higher success rate throwing out of play action, especially with RB being the strength of this offense and teams daring us to throw.
 

IrishBoognish

Well-known member
Messages
2,344
Reaction score
3,619
Apologies if me beating this drum is getting annoying, but figured this was worth sharing. Buchner in 2021 threw 11 RPOs out of 35 passes (31% of his passes). He was 10/11 for 142 yards and 2 TDs/0 INTs. in 2022, Buchner threw.......6 RPOs (7 including a sack) out of 50 passes (10% of his passes). On those 5 RPOs, he was 5/6 for 88 yards. All stats from https://twitter.com/sportsinfo_sis




Its what I've been screaming. I cant fathom why this wasn't implemented as the primary attack.

Its mind boggling.
 

Free Manera

Well-known member
Messages
2,949
Reaction score
3,547
There was some interesting stuff in Hansen’s chat this week.

Apparently some at ND wanted David Cutcliffe as an analyst and Cutcliffe was interested. Rees vetoed it.

I feel like he could be pretty helpful right now….
 

Jiggafini19Deux

Minister of Delayed Gratification
Messages
13,479
Reaction score
14,203
Parker coached under Cutcliffe at one point right? I guess it makes sense.

Cutcliffe has always spoke highly of ND even as an opponent. That would be twice in the last 17 years now that he was nearly brought onto the staff in some capacity and missed out.
 

Dale

Well-known member
Messages
16,105
Reaction score
27,367
“someone like David Cutcliffe to come out of retirement and take on an analyst role at ND? I was told that concept was pitched to Marcus Freeman, and that he was open to that this offseason, but I was also told by a good source that Rees was not open to it.”


This reads as Freeman was open to the idea of an analyst in general, like a Cutcliffe, but nothing of Cutcliffe’s interest.
 

IrishLax

Something Witty
Staff member
Messages
37,545
Reaction score
28,991
Rees isn’t the head coach. How would he be able to have the final say on a staffing decision?
Because unfortunately they gave him "autonomy" over that side of the ball, which in retrospect was pure insanity. All of the decisions that were based on "well we have to keep Rees! can't let him go to LSU!" seem batshit crazy.
 

Bluto

Well-known member
Messages
8,146
Reaction score
3,979
“someone like David Cutcliffe to come out of retirement and take on an analyst role at ND? I was told that concept was pitched to Marcus Freeman, and that he was open to that this offseason, but I was also told by a good source that Rees was not open to it.”


This reads as Freeman was open to it, but nothing of Cutcliffe’s interest.
Yeah, interesting to see that get interpreted as “Cutcliffe was interested”.

Anyhow, some of that could be interpreted as Rees being a bit too confident in his own abilities as an OC/QB coach and possibly hints at him being defensive about having a more experienced voice in meetings on that side of the ball.

Bringing in an experienced and proven outside hire to help with the QB’s recruiting/evaluation/development seems like a no brainer at this point.
 

Bluto

Well-known member
Messages
8,146
Reaction score
3,979
Because unfortunately they gave him "autonomy" over that side of the ball, which in retrospect was pure insanity. All of the decisions that were based on "well we have to keep Rees! can't let him go to LSU!" seem batshit crazy.
Yikes. At a minimum you’d want the head coach to vet those decisions and ask some hard questions.

Anyhow, the dynamic you’re describing also opens the door to create a schism in terms of who the players are actually accountable to.
 

Jiggafini19Deux

Minister of Delayed Gratification
Messages
13,479
Reaction score
14,203
Also says in there that they didn't retain Dr. Amber Selking. Questionable call there too. I didn't realize she was no longer around.

Several top teams both in North American sports as well as European Football use sports psychologists now, and those are professionals. This would only be a good thing for college students, especially in a fish bowl program like ND Football.

Disappointing.
 

PigtownIrish

WaterGIRL
Messages
846
Reaction score
730
Yeah, interesting to see that get interpreted as “Cutcliffe was interested”.

Anyhow, some of that could be interpreted as Rees being a bit too confident in his own abilities as an OC/QB coach and possibly hints at him being defensive about having a more experienced voice in meetings on that side of the ball.

Bringing in an experienced and proven outside hire to help with the QB’s recruiting/evaluation/development seems like a no brainer at this point.
Defensive for sure. Only one mentored by Brian Kelly could be opposed to the idea of having expert experience to draw from, probably because you are afraid the expert will tell you that your whole system is crap.

And now we know the Rees Red Flags have been there well before this current train wreck of an offense.
 

Domina Nostra

Well-known member
Messages
6,251
Reaction score
1,388
Because unfortunately they gave him "autonomy" over that side of the ball, which in retrospect was pure insanity. All of the decisions that were based on "well we have to keep Rees! can't let him go to LSU!" seem batshit crazy.

Like everything else, they went with the low-hanging fruit because they feared the 60 days of social media-purgatory that would have been created by the fans and recruits had we waited for Fickell.

So they went with the social-media lovefest story, ensuring that all the arrows would trend up for those 60 days--and avoiding having to go toe-to-toe with the biggest, richest programs for the top talent.
 

du Lac

CEO of IE
Messages
1,643
Reaction score
1,064
I swear to God. If this is true...between this and turning down Daniels/Slovis is straight up fireable.
I try and be positive about Rees, but he sucks and makes horrible decisions. They just compound and get worse. All in on Dante Moore, no relationships with other '23 kids. No transfer QB's, even ones that wanted in at ND, no development of Buchner, Pyne, stating he doesn't work on throwing motions once kids are on campus, no to analysts, bland personality and needed others to recruit for him, regression of OL, no points in second half vs Ohio State, no adjustments in bowl game, no progress vs Marshall, no running game, no Merriweather, not using Tyree, waiting until the bowl game to utilize Styles. The list goes on and on. I am likely forgetting numerous blunders and head scratchers. The TR lovers and apologists have to admit they were wrong at some point.
 

Jiggafini19Deux

Minister of Delayed Gratification
Messages
13,479
Reaction score
14,203
Only one mentored by Brian Kelly could be opposed to the idea of having expert experience to draw from, probably because you are afraid the expert will tell you that your whole system is crap.

Man, is this a great point. My biggest beef with him when he was at ND was initially how he just kept bringing in dudes from his Grand Valley State rolodex. Brian Van Gorder obviously being the biggest dumpster fire of them all which caused Kelly to self audit and go out to extend his reach beyond people he'd worked with before. The results were hiring Elko, Long, Lea, Freeman.

If Rees doesn't want to use the reach of the ND brand to surround himself with good football minds, that then falls into the lap of Swarbrick and Freeman to either get him to self audit or get rid of him and find someone who is going to be more open minded to working with others.

What you've pointed out here is spot on and frankly very concerning knowing that Rees spent a lot of time in the offensive room with Kelly as both a player and coach. I kind of feel ill now thinking about it, but it's a great point nonetheless. LOL
 

Pops Freshenmeyer

Well-known member
Messages
5,112
Reaction score
2,457
It's looking more and more like there will be a mutual parting of ways this offseason. Between the analyst thing and the Parker hiring, it sounds like there's a bit of a tug of war over authority.

I hope it doesn't (or hasn't already) lead to a deteriorating locker room situation.
 
Top