Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

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The recruiting will likely not be a factor going forward under Freeman. We've got talent on the way, but for now it's pretty much just the talented young Sophomores that are starting and maybe a few freshmen like Merriweather. We have to make do till the next classes are on campus.
Its not about the recruiting - we have the talent but the offensive schemes and sets were awful. Everyone was saying now that BK was gone now Rees will be free to do his own offense. Well if that was it, no thank you! No Screens, No Jet Sweeps, No Merriweather, No adjusting to the 8 or 9 in the box by OSU. Stupid.

Rees sucks and ND fans need to figure this out.
 

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Yep. It’s fun to “argue” about Rees and the team but it’s a long season and a lot will change by the end. Here’s hoping TB12 progresses and we get a stud QB for the ‘23 class (maybe Carr?). I think Rees is capable of both. Whether it happens, we’ll see.
Carr is going to be in the 2023 class. I don't like it, but he will be. I think Rees has all of (if not most of) his eggs in that basket.
 

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Its not about the recruiting - we have the talent but the offensive schemes and sets were awful. Everyone was saying now that BK was gone now Rees will be free to do his own offense. Well if that was it, no thank you! No Screens, No Jet Sweeps, No Merriweather, No adjusting to the 8 or 9 in the box by OSU. Stupid.

Rees sucks and ND fans need to figure this out.
:laugh: No. Not a bit. WR group has been very poorly recruited for awhile, the only player that has proven anything of skill is Styles who was pretty good last year and possibly Merriweather. Jury is still out on Colzie, and we haven't even seen Merriweather yet. Not only is the talent lacking, but the development hasn't been good either. That position group is a liability and has been for awhile.

Couple that with the communication issues on the OL and the physical struggles of the interior and it's a recipe for poor offense no matter who your OC is. If you're losing in the trenches you're not going to be effectively scoring. The fact Rees was able to be 18th in ppg last year with a poor line is a testament to his ability.
 
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:laugh: No. Not a bit. WR group has been very poorly recruited for awhile, the only player that has proven anything of skill is Styles who was pretty good last year and possibly Merriweather. Jury is still out on Colzie, and we haven't even seen Merriweather yet. Not only is the talent lacking, but the development hasn't been good either. That position group is a liability and has been for awhile.

Couple that with the communication issues on the OL and the physical struggles of the interior and it's a recipe for poor offense no matter who your OC is. If you're losing in the trenches you're not going to be effective scoring. The fact Rees was able to be 18th in ppg last year with a poor line is a testament to his ability.
Agree. I’d throw the QB position in with the WR.
 

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The only way the offense was going to be successful this season was to run the ball at a 2017 level and then have Buchner be a more effective passer (especially on intermediate/short routes) than Wimbush. Instead it looks like this might be the most ineffective offense we’ve had since the beginning of the Kelly era because you don’t have a proficient pocket passer AND you can’t run the ball AND you don’t have explosive players.

The issues, on paper, go way beyond play calling and can’t be solved by play calling. They need to get the OL playing at a high level and then need to build an identity around that. What we saw last night was dysfunctional grab bag nonsense.

"You're never as good as everyone tells you when you win, and you're never as bad as they say when you lose." - Lou Holtz

The good news is ND is going to get an All-American back at IOL. That is going to fix a lot. If Heistand is as good of an OL coach as we all think he is, this group is going to be a lot better by Clemson than they were this weekend. I am confident that will happen.

But yeah the amount of 12 personnel definitely suggests that Rees is hoping to be Stanford circa 2010s with this squad. IMO he thinks it's likelier that ND gets two TEs to play at a high level, than to get the WRs to run a spread. But this team needs an answer for safeties sitting 8 yards of the line or they're going to have trouble averaging 30ppg.
 

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Agree. I’d throw the QB position in with the WR.
I'm willing to give Buchner a pass for now, we haven't seen enough yet. He went 8 for 8 starting that game. We need to see what he can really do once the OL gets the communication issues fixed and Patterson is back. If he can't cut the mustard...it's Pyne time!

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Its not about the recruiting - we have the talent but the offensive schemes and sets were awful. Everyone was saying now that BK was gone now Rees will be free to do his own offense. Well if that was it, no thank you! No Screens, No Jet Sweeps, No Merriweather, No adjusting to the 8 or 9 in the box by OSU. Stupid.

Rees sucks and ND fans need to figure this out.
You lost me at "we have the talent". No. We absolutely do not.

When you have Matt Salerno taking significant reps at receiver, that debunks the notion that we have sufficient talent on offense.

ND is also paying for the lackluster OL recruiting in '18, '19 and '20, aka. the upperclassmen of this roster. You have 2 guys from that class in Correll and Kristofic, who were among the worst overall performers in the game for ND.

So yeah, ND's recruiting OL well NOW. They weren't for a few years and they're paying for it. Luckily for them Alt emerged and Fisher is a stud once he shakes off the rust. But the interior is in shambles without Patterson, and Lugg + Correll is nowhere near good enough to compete with quality defenses.

So again, this idea that ND currently has the talent necessary on offense lacks any sort of credibility.
 

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I'm willing to give Buchner a pass for now, we haven't seen enough yet. He went 8 for 8 starting that game. We need to see what he can really do once the OL gets the communication issues fixed and Patterson is back. If he can't cut the mustard...it's Pyne time!

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Yeah, TB12 is TBD. It is pretty sad we’ve gotten one career start out of our ‘18, ‘19, ‘20, and ‘21 QB recruits.

If Buchner develops to a high level than all is well. If not we’re years away from being able to win games like Saturday.
 

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"You're never as good as everyone tells you when you win, and you're never as bad as they say when you lose." - Lou Holtz

The good news is ND is going to get an All-American back at IOL. That is going to fix a lot. If Heistand is as good of an OL coach as we all think he is, this group is going to be a lot better by Clemson than they were this weekend. I am confident that will happen.

But yeah the amount of 12 personnel definitely suggests that Rees is hoping to be Stanford circa 2010s with this squad. IMO he thinks it's likelier that ND gets two TEs to play at a high level, than to get the WRs to run a spread. But this team needs an answer for safeties sitting 8 yards of the line or they're going to have trouble averaging 30ppg.
If Stanford circa 2010 is the plan maybe they should go all in on that? It seems to me like Rees is kind of hedging his bets in terms of where the roster is at and where they want to be in terms of the offensive scheme so as not to scare away elite receiver talent. As a result the offense doesn’t seem to have any sort of identity to hang it’s hat on.
 

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The good news is ND is going to get an All-American back at IOL.
Are we? If he's not 100% before 11/5, it won't matter much when we get him back.
That is going to fix a lot. If Heistand is as good of an OL coach as we all think he is, this group is going to be a lot better by Clemson than they were this weekend. I am confident that will happen.
Indulge me in a bit of doomposting, but OL and TE are the only positions we recruit as well or better than OSU. No one beats the big three simply by playing ManBall and calling interior runs all day, but if OL and TE were truly the strengths of this team, we should have had more success than we saw on Saturday. They got a pass last year due to turnover on the OL and the spate of freak injuries. But if we're struggling to control the LOS with Kristofic, Correll and Lugg this year as well, that tells me that our OL is actually seriously overrated. I'll be cautiously optimistic if they bench the mediocrities and start the younger guys against Marshall, because they've legitimately got a chance to round into form in time for Clemson, but I can't be optimistic about the lineup we rolled out this weekend.
But yeah the amount of 12 personnel definitely suggests that Rees is hoping to be Stanford circa 2010s with this squad. IMO he thinks it's likelier that ND gets two TEs to play at a high level, than to get the WRs to run a spread. But this team needs an answer for safeties sitting 8 yards of the line or they're going to have trouble averaging 30ppg.
You can bet every one of our opponents is going to stack the box and sell out against the run until we can reliably start punishing them with constraint plays. And if our IOL continues to be this shaky (aside from Patterson, these guys were not reliable last year either, so significant in-season improvement isn't a given), then we may be in for a very long low-scoring season.
 
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You lost me at "we have the talent". No. We absolutely do not.

When you have Matt Salerno taking significant reps at receiver, that debunks the notion that we have sufficient talent on offense.

ND is also paying for the lackluster OL recruiting in '18, '19 and '20, aka. the upperclassmen of this roster. You have 2 guys from that class in Correll and Kristofic, who were among the worst overall performers in the game for ND.

So yeah, ND's recruiting OL well NOW. They weren't for a few years and they're paying for it. Luckily for them Alt emerged and Fisher is a stud once he shakes off the rust. But the interior is in shambles without Patterson, and Lugg + Correll is nowhere near good enough to compete with quality defenses.

So again, this idea that ND currently has the talent necessary on offense lacks any sort of credibility.



I just came across this video on Twitter.
 

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I just came across this video on Twitter.

I just don't know how you can justify starting Lugg this week and moving forward.

Lugg has proven he is not physically capable of holding up against quality defenses, but you at the very least, expect him to play sound assignment football, because he's experienced.

But instead, he and Correll, the most experienced players on the line, were responsible for a majority of the miscues and flat-out whiffs all game on Saturday.

So again I have to ask this staff, what is the point of putting Lugg out there over Spindler? Lugg's experience means f*ck-all if he's missing assignments and whiffing blocks. You expect that with Spindler, but at least he has the physical talent to make up for it and will get better over time. Lugg isn't getting better. He is who he is. A depth body and nothing more.
 

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I just don't know how you can justify starting Lugg this week and moving forward.

Lugg has proven he is not physically capable of holding up against quality defenses, but you at the very least, expect him to play sound assignment football, because he's experienced.

But instead, he and Correll, the most experienced players on the line, were responsible for a majority of the miscues and flat-out whiffs all game on Saturday.

So again I have to ask this staff, what is the point of putting Lugg out there over Spindler? Lugg's experience means f*ck-all if he's missing assignments and whiffing blocks. You expect that with Spindler, but at least he has the physical talent to make up for it and will get better over time. Lugg isn't getting better. He is who he is. A depth body and nothing more.
Hard point to argue against. Hopefully we find out quickly or MFMF is willing to make moves and get the best players on the field or break status quo at least.
 

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You lost me at "we have the talent". No. We absolutely do not.

When you have Matt Salerno taking significant reps at receiver, that debunks the notion that we have sufficient talent on offense.

ND is also paying for the lackluster OL recruiting in '18, '19 and '20, aka. the upperclassmen of this roster. You have 2 guys from that class in Correll and Kristofic, who were among the worst overall performers in the game for ND.

So yeah, ND's recruiting OL well NOW. They weren't for a few years and they're paying for it. Luckily for them Alt emerged and Fisher is a stud once he shakes off the rust. But the interior is in shambles without Patterson, and Lugg + Correll is nowhere near good enough to compete with quality defenses.

So again, this idea that ND currently has the talent necessary on offense lacks any sort of credibility.
I was shocked to hear OSU had a former walk-on WR get significant reps this weekend. In fact, he scored the go ahead TD and followed that up w/ a special teams tackle that gave ND shitty field position…again.
 

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Are we? If he's not 100% before 11/5, it won't matter much when we get him back.

Indulge me in a bit of doomposting, but OL and TE are the only positions we recruit as well or better than OSU. No one beats the big three simply by playing ManBall and calling interior runs all day, but if OL and TE were truly the strengths of this team, we should have had more success than we saw on Saturday. They got a pass last year due to turnover on the OL and the spate of freak injuries. But if we're struggling to control the LOS with Kristofic, Correll and Lugg this year as well, that tells me that our OL is actually seriously overrated. I'll be cautiously optimistic if they bench the mediocrities and start the younger guys against Marshall, because they've legitimately got a chance to round into form in time for Clemson, but I can't be optimistic about the lineup we rolled out this weekend.

You can bet every one of our opponents is going to stack the box and sell out against the run until we can reliably start punishing them with constraint plays. And if our IOL continues to be this shaky (aside from Patterson, these guys were not reliable last year either, so significant in-season improvement isn't a given), then we may be in for a very long low-scoring season.
As much as Pattterson moved around in the pre-game, I assume that means he'll be back for BYU at the latest. Could be wrong though, I am not a doctor, it's all the same principles though. *stares at map*

I'll wait to see the communication errors subside quickly before indicting the OL entirely. They played like dogshit against OSU, but OSU is pretty good so let's see how they play against the two-stars of Marshall.
 
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I have a lot of confidence they'll get their shit together. ND doesn't look nearly as bad to anyone in the country as they do to us fans.

Theyre getting a lot of praise right now and will likely only drop a couple spots.

Tune this shit up, get JP back on that line, and we have a real shot to win out.


I've gained confidence if anything about this team. Someone said very succinctly on this board that we're pissed not because we sucked, but because we had a real shot to win that thing.


(I live in Eugene Oregon where the Ducks just lost a game which tied the record for the worst beat down by two ranked teams. EVER.)

That may explain my rose colored glasses somewhat.
 

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I was shocked to hear OSU had a former walk-on WR get significant reps this weekend. In fact, he scored the go ahead TD and followed that up w/ a special teams tackle that gave ND shitty field position…again.
Difference is that Ohio State having a former walk-on get significant reps means he beat out several high level receiving prospects to get to that point.

Salerno is getting reps, because...we literally have nobody else.
 

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Difference is that Ohio State having a former walk-on get significant reps means he beat out several high level receiving prospects to get to that point.

Salerno is getting reps, because...we literally have nobody else.
We probably should have grabbed a transfer or two.
 

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We probably should have grabbed a transfer or two.
That's under the impression that there were transfers who were both able to get admitted and wanted to come here.

ND's receiver situation during the spring when most of these receivers made the decision was not good, but it was nowhere near as bad as it is now. You still had Davis returning, Wilkins was returning, Lenzy was back. You had Styles, Thomas and Colzie there with Merriweather on the way.

Most transfer receivers are looking for situations where they are guaranteed a starting gig. Going into spring, that wasn't much of a guarantee since Davis and Styles were pretty much solidified as starters and you had guys like Lenzy, Wilkins and Thomas who had experience in the system, the former 2 having starter experience. Why would a legitimate transfer candidate come here to be part of a rotation when he can go elsewhere and start?
 

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I do not dislike Rees but he sure does come up in a negative context about 100x’s more than all the other coaches combined and it’s been going on for years. At some point you start wondering if it’s him or everyone else.
 

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I do not dislike Rees but he sure does come up in a negative context about 100x’s more than all the other coaches combined and it’s been going on for years. At some point you start wondering if it’s him or everyone else.
Rees is the only one who was also a fairly recent starting quarterback for Notre Dame.
A lot of the people who don’t like him now didn’t like him then either.
 

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A good offensive line makes any play caller look good. A bad line makes any play caller look bad. It really is that simple. I thought Tommy did fine for his circumstances. His O was outmanned everywhere.
 

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That's under the impression that there were transfers who were both able to get admitted and wanted to come here.

ND's receiver situation during the spring when most of these receivers made the decision was not good, but it was nowhere near as bad as it is now. You still had Davis returning, Wilkins was returning, Lenzy was back. You had Styles, Thomas and Colzie there with Merriweather on the way.

Most transfer receivers are looking for situations where they are guaranteed a starting gig. Going into spring, that wasn't much of a guarantee since Davis and Styles were pretty much solidified as starters and you had guys like Lenzy, Wilkins and Thomas who had experience in the system, the former 2 having starter experience. Why would a legitimate transfer candidate come here to be part of a rotation when he can go elsewhere and start?

Unfortunately Lenzy has never panned out. He was a super fast track star that was an ok high school receiver. I really thought that he was going to be a game changer. Sometimes you have to be more than an athlete to be successful.
 

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Rees is the only one who was also a fairly recent starting quarterback for Notre Dame.
A lot of the people who don’t like him now didn’t like him then either.
I loved Tommy as a player and love the idea of him as the young offensive genius. I just don’t think he’s really done more than an average job so far, based on results.

I do think he gets harped on more by some as a reaction to those who refuse to criticize him at all (or maybe the reaction goes the other way). Guy is in charge of the QB room and the offense as a whole and is being paid a lot of money to do so. When those areas struggle I don’t think it’s inappropriate to question his decision making.
 

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I loved Tommy as a player and love the idea of him as the young offensive genius. I just don’t think he’s really done more than an average job so far, based on results.

I do think he gets harped on more by some as a reaction to those who refuse to criticize him at all (or maybe the reaction goes the other way). Guy is in charge of the QB room and the offense as a whole and is being paid a lot of money to do so. When those areas struggle I don’t think it’s inappropriate to question his decision making.


I am not sure we’re everyone gets the offensive genius opinion. He struggles to create mismatches, concrete hardens faster than the run plays develop and the offense is so predictable defenses it’s not funny.

And since you made the point maybe we need a QB coach and offensive coordinator. It’s to much of a work load for him.
 

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It comes down to, if you’re critical of Tommy without at least recognizing the limitations he’s working with, regarding OL play and playmakers at WR, then you’re not being completely fair.

On the other side, if you’re blaming all the offensive issues on those position groups without recognizing Tommy’s failures recruiting and developing the QB position, then you’re being hypocritical. IMO.

Play calling and developing game plans, I’ll leave to others to dissect. I just know coaches always seem much smarter when they have better players.
 
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