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These last two posts are awesome. Thanks! Reps, guys!

Above and beyond the specific points the make about the subjects they address, the entire scope of both posts points out a huge truth rarely acknowledged in debate and conversation on these topics.

That the 'truth', 'reality,' and the nature of things are usually much broader that we are capable of viewing, or communicating.

This leads to presumptions; and the resultant errors in logic overwhelm the point being made. In fact, many true and right points can be made, while the overall premise is off due to other errors of logic outside of, and/or preceding the boundaries of that discourse.

For example, on the morality, or immorality of people with same sex attraction, which Whiskey shared, one of the most eloquent subjects, the Bristol Pastor, argued that he referred to his situation as : "he ‘experiences same-sex attraction’ . . . "

That is correct. Homosexuality, is not an issue of sexuality, it is an issue of sexual orientation, or attraction.

So dealing with the issue, there is a wide range of behaviors that qualify as part of the gay issue. If we look at it from a broader perspective, without the emotion, and rhetoric of the past, we can see that anything from Homophobia, to latent homosexuality, to all the PIITB/PIIHB Catholics, the broad group that is attracted to both sexes, and so forth.

The point is, that all of these do not fall on the same spot of any ethical modern moral scale. And that has rarely been treated as such by any culture before the modern neo-Victorian culture that organized, religious Christianity binds.

The same that can be said for atheism, as pointed out in the second article, can be found to be true for homosexuality, fidelity in marriage, pedophilia* All of these at different times have been tolerated by many cultures, of not accepted as commonplace, or expected behaviors.

* [Please note that I specifically don't include this with homosexuality. Most experts agree that it is not at all linked with homosexuality, but with personality disorders that exhibit narcissism, sadism, extreme racism (think Nazi), and misogyny.]

This could go on, one point to ponder about those that refer to the Christian Bible, (any version), to render a rationale for judgement on any issue from slavery, to stoning one's wife, to homosexuality, based upon a verse, or passage, has a grievous flaw. Have you asked yourself which other passages conflict that which you quote? This is a document authored over several millennium, edited and changed, by intent or mistake, by thousands of scribes. And it contains a base of literature as broad as the culture and religious traditions it contains.

For example. Monotheism itself. Creation. Which story do you believe? That of Genesis I, or that of Genesis II? The former describes the God of creation in the singular, gender male. The latter describes the God of creation in the plural, as 'they.' If you are going to merit that story, which are you going to credit? Because if the story is the correct narrative, only one can be true.

My inspiration for this is the sullied view of the Magdalen, who was revered as a Saint by early Christians. But was later given the label of prostitute by an organized group of misogynistic bishops, around 500AD. (A quarter of the way through the history of the religion.)
 

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First Things' Matthew Rose just published an article titled "Tayloring Christianity":

Why was it once virtually impossible not to believe in God, while today many of us find this not only easy, but inescapable?” The question is Charles Taylor’s, and his nine-hundred-page answer has arguably been the academic event of the decade. Seven years after its publication, A Secular Age has done more than reignite the debate over secularization and its religious roots. It offers to change the very terms in which Christians profess belief.

One of the world’s leading philosophers, Taylor is known for the expansive breadth of his interests in a discipline whose research programs have shriveled in scope. He has written commandingly on German romanticism, ethics, hermeneutics, and the philosophies of mind and action, and has done so in a relaxed style that draws smoothly on literature and history.

Taylor has done little to disguise his religiosity, something that also sets him apart from the philosophical establishment. He describes himself as a “believer” and “person of faith” and without affecting embarrassment. A professed Catholic, he has made occasional sorties into the Church’s intellectual life, quietly signaling his sympathies for liberal movements in theology. Following the publication of Sources of the Self in 1989, a book that credited *Augustine with inventing inner selfhood, Taylor’s writings took a soft theological turn. A Secular Age is the kind of work readers probably should have seen coming.

Monumental in scope, heroic in ambition, and serenely neglectful of scholarly conventions, the book is in no way a spiritual autobiography. It is something more revealing—an invitation to experience, by way of historical epic, the emergence of a modern Christian spirituality and its fraught relationship with unbelief. Taylor has been both celebrated and faulted for authoring an apology for Christianity. I regret to say he has done nothing of the sort. Although the advocacy is indirect and the theology implied, *Taylor instead encourages readers to embrace a modern mode of faith that accommodates itself to contemporary culture.

A Secular Age has been read as a sweeping account of the Christian past, when it is in fact a very parochial book about the Catholic future. I think it fair to say that itaspires to be for a coming generation of liberals what Alasdair MacIntyre’s After *Virtue was for a previous generation of conservatives. Neither are simply histories of the origins of modern moral identities; they are scripts for how those identities ought to be enacted today. They are opposing charters, if you will, for Catholic communities in a *post-Christian age.

MacIntyre famously petitioned for another St. Benedict to found communities of virtue capable of withstanding secular erosion. Taylor intends to demonstrate the impossibility of the Benedict Option by showing the impossibility of being other than secular.

Taylor made his name with Hegel, a major book reintroducing its subject to English-language scholars in 1975. His debts to Hegel are apparent in his notion that the history of Western thought is sedimented into our experience of the present. The past remains active because our historical consciousness is shaped by the concepts and thought-forms inherited from earlier modes of human experience.

This conviction about how the past informs contemporary life guides the method and content of A Secular Age. It involves Taylor in a careful description of the contents of our experience. He wants to bring into focus the “background conditions” that frame our knowledge but usually escape notice. Most of us think we are aware of what most matters to us and that we formulate those concerns into explicit beliefs. Taylor maintains that this overlooks the hidden judgments, motives, and feelings that size up our world before we conceptualize it. These, he believes, have shifted.

The mark of a secular society is that believers can no longer enjoy a “simple” or “naïve” faith. The “conditions of belief” have changed such that Western Christians are now unable to believe without reservations, without uneasily looking over their shoulders. The honest believer must concede, “I am never, or only rarely, really sure, free of all doubt, untroubled by some objection—by some experience which won’t fit.” In sum: Secularism means that our Christian experience is now shaped by a lurking uncertainty.

To be secular is therefore neither to deny the existence of God nor to affirm the triumph of science over religion. This view wrongly supposes that secularization is marked by the substitution of one set of beliefs for another—in this case, new rational or scientific ones for the old religious beliefs that dominated in the past. The most influential version of this theory was articulated by Max Weber, who held that religious prejudices wither as intellectual maturity develops, a process he named “disenchantment.”

The problem with this view is that it is an inaccurate description of our experience. Our culture has experienced a fundamental shift, and in that sense Taylor agrees that we live in a quite different thought-world from those of previous centuries. But the important change is not what we believe—there are indeed many religious believers in secular societies—but how. To be secular is to be a participant in a society that makes uncritical belief in God nearly impossible.

Taylor’s claim is not simply that Christians must acknowledge pluralism. He means that religious convictions themselves have been inwardly “destabilized.” Even if we regard our faith as firm, we know that it is considered implausible, even irrational, by rival perspectives that we know to be credible. Perhaps we have read Freud and his view of mono*theism as the cultural residue of an Oedipal drama. We don’t have to agree with Freud for his pyschosocial categories to become a part of our religious self-*consciousness. The same is true of other religions, if we learn about them. None of this necessarily weakens faith, but it does layer our religious identities with competing perspectives.

Hence the “titanic change” of secularism: “We have changed . . . from a condition where most people lived ‘naïvely’ in a [Christian outlook], . . . to one in which almost no one is capable of this.”

How did this transformation come to pass? What is it about our inherited modes of thought and experience that opened up our religious convictions to competing perspectives and thereby shifted the how of belief? Taylor’s answer: We are living in a culture shaped by a history of unresolvable theological disagreement.

Others have argued that secular modernity is rooted in theological dispute, and indeed a popular thesis maintains that bitter and deadly conflicts after the Reformation led European intellectuals to seek a nonreligious basis for social consensus. Taylor’s account is unusual, however, for the principal role played by Christian moral teachings. He contends, provocatively, that secularism is a direct product of developments within Christian ethics.

Taylor begins with the reforms of Hildebrand and the Fourth Lateran Council, continues through the Protestant and Catholic Reformations, and covers the rise of Evangelicalism and Deism. As he sees it, what drove these movements was a shared moral passion: the conviction that an ethically disciplined life is the vocation of all the faithful rather than only a spiritual or clerical elite.

The success of these reforms, however, depended on a lowering of expectations. Where Christians had once preserved a tension between the pursuit of supernatural perfection and the promotion of worldly flourishing—distinguished as “perfect” and “imperfect” vocations—reformers wished to make spiritual ideals more accessible. This led them to deemphasize the goal of divinization in favor of habits of self-*control, industry, and thrift.

Two things followed. First, Christianity became increasingly identified with a bourgeois moral code. Taylor chronicles the ways in which Christianity was transformed from a message of salvation into a bulwark of “civilization” and a guarantor of social order. Second, the idea that God has intentions for human life infinitely beyond worldly flourishing went into eclipse. For many, the answer to “What are God’s purposes for us?” was simply “To preserve life, bring prosperity, and reduce suffering.”

The collapse of Christianity into a conventional ethics midwifed something new: the ability to interpret the world nontheistically. As the goals for life became immanent, Christians began asking if appeals to God were necessary to ground morality and pursue human flourishing. Aren’t reason and natural human desires sufficient to motivate us to preserve life, bring prosperity, and reduce suffering? In pressing these sorts of questions, Taylor argues, Christians slowly cultivated the ability to conceive of themselves and the natural world apart from divine purposes. Life without God became imaginable, and some even wondered if Christian faith might be an obstacle to human well-being. The idea of a Supreme Being who issues commandments and promises salvation needlessly complicated utilitarian calculations. The self-undoing of Western Christianity had effectively begun. Soon, all striving for something beyond human welfare—the pursuit of holiness—came to be regarded by many as fanatical or absurd.

Where are we now? Taylor grants that modernity’s turn toward immanent goals encouraged the development of new capacities, such as the ability to find deep meaning in art and nature. But a world closed to transcendence cannot support our need for “fullness.” As a result, nonbelievers also experience “cross pressures” of the sort that alter the *experience of religious believers. They are aware that their views are vulnerable to intelligent critique, and not just from religious apologists but from figures like Nietzsche. Hence our common secular lot: “There are no more naïve theists, just as there are no naïve atheists.”

Here we reach the Evangelical moment, ignored by many, for which the book’s lengthy history is prelude. Although there is no escaping secularism, it does remain open to “purified” forms of Christian thought and life. Taylor invites those trapped within the “immanent frame” to consider the Christian “take” on death, beauty, and moral obligation, experiences particularly open to theological illumination. But his ambitions go beyond addressing nonbelievers, and considerably so.

A Secular Age encourages nothing less than the reform of Catholicism, whose message of radical agap?, Taylor believes, has been long suppressed by dogmatic metaphysics. Advancing this line of argument requires Taylor to challenge the classical theological tradition, most notably its understanding of the relationship between speculative and practical reason. Christian life has been impaired by a theoretical concern with certitude and rational justification; its renewal, he maintains, can be found only through a spirituality of transformative love.

Taylor supports this shift from dogma to love by stressing the modesty of properly Christian claims to understanding. Secularity and Christianity are, in one sense, mutually reinforcing. From the former we realize that our commitments are fragile, biased, and defeasible. From the latter we find religious confirmation of this condition, but also a way of avoiding nihilism: “I believe, O Lord, help my unbelief.” *Taylor says that Christians can be at home in a secular culture because they take a “leap of faith” that, they admit, is not (nor could be) grounded in reason.

The strategy is not obviously objectionable. It bears a faint resemblance to *Augustine’s argument that all know*ledge involves belief and trust, a reading strongly encouraged by James K. A. Smith’s admiring primer, How (Not) to Be Secular: Reading Charles Taylor. But that is not Taylor’s move. Instead, he focuses on the “contingency” of both Christian and non-Christian perspectives.

To appreciate the difference between Taylor and Augustine, consider the very different ways in which they express an awareness of human finitude.

Taylor might say: “I am uncertain and sometimes even uneasy about my own religious ‘construal.’ My doubts are only compounded when I realize how easily I could see the world differently. I do have a sense of God’s reality—it seems a compelling explanation of my personal experiences—but I’m not absolutely sure I’m right, especially when I consider the ‘construals’ of non-Christians, some of which are reasonable and which I could adopt without dramatically altering my life.”

Augustine might say: “I experience a world shot through with the mystery of existence. In all that I know about the things of this world—how they come into and pass out of being—I do not see any reason why they should be at all. So why are things so? If the world seems undeniably good, it also seems undeniably unnecessary. There are things that once were but are not now; there are things that are not now but will be; and there are things that are not, but presumably could be. In face of this mystery, I conclude that the existence of worldly things must be given to them from outside—from an absolutely transcendent God.”

The two views appear to share a concern with the perplexing nature of contingency, the fact that some things are, strictly speaking, metaphysically unnecessary. They are, however, fundamentally opposed. The first locates it in our deepest beliefs and the second in the world as such. The difference could scarcely be more significant, since Catholicism’s signature philosophical achievement was to affirm the latter.

Which brings me to a remarkable fact about A Secular Age. It features generous and often dazzling readings of virtually every Western philosophical tradition—except the one it seeks to depose. That tradition is Christianity.

For thinkers working in this tradition, Augustine and Aquinas preeminent among them, the fundamental philosophical problem was that of contingency—how and why anything exists at all, when it plainly need not. In the course of wrestling with this question, Christian philosophy arrived at its great insight: that contingent beings depend on a God whose very nature simply is to be. Its central theses, clarified over a millennium of philosophic labor, comprised what Étienne Gilson called the “existential” character of Christian theism. They included the demonstration that God does not “have” existence but is himself the pure act of existence; that contingent things are not identical with their existence and are sustained in being by God; and that to know the nature of any finite thing is to know its likeness to its divine cause. These claims, and the conception of rationality embedded within them, provided the metaphysical infrastructure of Catholic Christianity, whose intellectual history is unintelligible apart from it.

Taylor discards this tradition, arguing that it misconceives God as an object of speculative knowledge. He makes superficial criticisms of scholasticism and neo-Thomism, as well as of its papal supporters. This is of no moment, however, since his conclusions about the tradition of philosophical reflection in the Christian West are foreordained. He claims that Christianity, as a historical reality, wrought a transformation not in our speculative life but in our practical life. His goal, accordingly, is to reorient Christian faith around what he calls, in possibly the most important phrase of the book, “the practical primacy of life.”

Taylor’s theology sees human life in terms of “practices,” a concept that aims to capture something richer than mere behavior. The basic idea is that our relationship to the world is not theoretical, not something that arises from our capacities for rational insight and argument. Instead, it is one of involvement and concern. The primacy he gives to the practical is not without warrant. The New Testament is not a primer in philosophy, and he is surely right that our concerns—our loves—often exercise greater power than our ideas. As Augustine observed, love is our weight. However, Taylor’s rejection of the speculative dimension of Christian thought is consequential in ways he does not acknowledge.

Historically, Catholicism has made use of philosophical traditions like Platonism and Aristotelianism that emphasize our unique capacity for theoretical knowledge. This was no accident of history, as some allege, but rather an attempt to understand how we are ordered to a God who is truth itself. Taylor effectively denies that human perfection is found in knowledge of God. He instead claims that we are drawn to communion with God through transformative experiences of value and beauty. And this anthropology requires him to reinterpret the nature of religious belief.

For those who know the modern theological tradition, Taylor is covering recognizable ground. In ways that echo Albrecht Ritschl, a nineteenth-*century German liberal theologian who systematically turned Christian truth claims into statements about value judgments, Taylor argues that Christian faith is a unique kind of activity: a way of being-in-the-world that embodies an experience of divine love. “God’s intervention in history, and in particular the Incarnation, was intended to transform us, through making us partakers of the communion which God already is and lives.”

This Christology hovers vaguely on the margins of the book, but it frames Taylor’s arguments at every point. He seems to mean that Jesus brought into human history something so mysteriously transcendent that it cannot be expressed in a philosophical system, formulated into a doctrine, or transmitted by an ecclesial authority.

Taylor is right to emphasize God’s transcendence and the human intellect’s natural incapacity to know God in himself. The peace of God in Christ passes all understanding. But whereas the classical Christian tradition sees the mystery of God as transcending our capacity for theoretical know*ledge, Taylor sees this mystery as other than and in an important sense opposed to understanding. Jesus *inspired his followers to read all of reality through the “mood” of agap?. To be a Christian is to exist in this fundamentally altered awareness, a revolution in human consciousness that leads believers to regard Jesus as God’s presence in history. A traditional focus on theological truth claims wrongly confuses the how of faith with the what of belief.

This sharp distinction between how and what Christians believe plays a central role in Taylor’s thought. In an obvious way, it allows him to harmonize secularism with Christianity: Both are modes of belief, not conflicting systems of belief. It also guides Taylor in his reform of Catholic practice.

Those who adopt a “modern Christian consciousness” will reject doctrines that “deny what is essential to our humanity.” Taylor’s doctrinal proposals are undeveloped, but for those familiar with the modern theological project their outlines are predictable. He mentions the penal theory of atonement, the existence of hell, divine wrath, and traditional teachings on human sexuality as ideas offensive to modern believers. Where does Taylor get theological criteria so casually anthropocentric? It would seem from Enlightenment critiques of dogmatic religion, which claim to help us see through outmoded images of divine authority. As he remarks, “God is slowly educating mankind, slowly turning it, transforming it from within.”

A reader cannot help but wonder why *Taylor hesitates to engage theology openly. A Secular Age contains almost no discussion of theologians like *Bonhoeffer, Bultmann, and Tillich, who thought deeply about secularization. Indeed, the latter two make arguments about the positive ways in which modernity purifies faith that are quite similar to Taylor’s. Curiously, the book contains little explicit theology at all, which is breathtaking given the ambition of its claims.

Although there are nods to Henri de Lubac in the epilogue, it is unclear to what degree Taylor realizes he is traveling a well-worn theological path. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, many theologians set faith against dogma and love against doctrine. Taylor often identifies himself as an heir of the Romantic tradition, and there is considerable truth in that, but he also fits comfortably among Catholic modernists, who argued that the special conditions of modern life render premodern theology obsolete.

It is instructive to notice how many of Taylor’s positions are addressed in Pius X’s 1907 encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis, written to alert Catholics to “the most pernicious of all the adversaries of the Church.” The adversary was not a person, but a philosophical mindset. It held that philosophy must be “agnostic” since God cannot be an object of rational knowledge; that religion is a “form of life” expressive of human capacities; and that human beings can be drawn to faith “only through personal experience.” For those disoriented by Taylor, Pius provides a clear and concise guide.

Where then can Catholics look for guidance if not from the Church and its intellectual traditions? Taylor prefers a magisterium in accord with the how of faith. He commends exemplary Catholics who embody a religious “sensibility” or “feel” that illuminates contemporary spiritual longings. The book concludes with Taylor writing in a personal voice about his attraction to the piety of Paul *Claudel, Thérèse de Lisieux, Ivan Illich, Gerard Manley *Hopkins, and Charles Péguy. What they share, *Taylor claims, is an ecstatic spirituality open to radical transcendence and hostile to reducing faith to conventional *morality.

Thus does Taylor’s vision of the Catholic future come into focus. In a secular culture, genuinely traditional forms of thought and life are impossibilities. One may of course choose to adopt such habits and attitudes, but one does so as a quintessentially modern act of self-expression. We cannot be traditional; we can only be traditionalists. Yet the unsettled secular soul is open to new and richer spiritual fulfillments. The cunning of history is at work in a secular age, and what seems like a threat to faith can liberate it for higher possibilities. Believers can now come to faith as a free and authentically personal response to a need for “fullness” construed as God’s love.

And with that conclusion we realize that Taylor has written a book to explain why he is Catholic. “I am a Catholic,” our author is saying in so many (many) words, “because my experience of God is best explained by the spirituality found in radically holy Catholic lives. Such lives help me better understand the imperfect glimpses of a transcendent perfection that I perceive as God’s love. Christianity is true in that it is true to—faithful to—what is most evident in my life: its need for fulfillment and transformation by God’s love.”

John Milbank insists that Taylor “does not in any way contest creedal orthodoxy.” Perhaps, but Hegelians never contest. They comprehend and transcend, and in this respect Taylor is a true Hegelian. He denigrates the Christian past by seeing it merely as a dogmatic stage in our advance to the progressive present.

The failure here is not that Taylor sets aside the authority of dogma and discourages us from entering more deeply into the wisdom of the Christian past. That’s something we’re all familiar with, not just in our secular culture that can do without the Church’s teaching, thank you, but in our own thinking as well. Taylor rightly describes our experience of modern faith as riven with contingency. Those committed to the Church have lots of interior ways to set aside the authority of dogma, even as we affirm it.

No, the failure is much greater and potentially more debilitating. By assimilating a secular way of believing with the essential content of Christian faith, A Secular Age sanctifies and makes absolute precisely what we should regard as contingent—the age in which we live. This is not to say that much of what Taylor writes about the ways secularity has altered our culture and our sense of self is wrong and should not shape academic debates. His descriptions of the secular age are compelling and deserve the wide discussion they have inspired.

But if it is true that we have reached the end of an era and now live in a secular age, it will be even more important for Christians to know what has been lost and why. This Taylor will not and perhaps cannot teach us. Instead, he makes secularism invincible to the radical criticism it most needs. Like all Hegelians, Taylor is an apologist for the present, a theologian of the secular status quo.

Alasdair MacIntyre also diagnosed our culture as fatigued by the mutual antagonisms of rival traditions. MacIntyre, however, maintained a chastened confidence in the power of human reason to guide us toward the perfected understanding that is the end of all inquiry. Our confusions and disagreements, he wrote in his Gifford Lectures, “can be a prologue not only to rational debate, but to that kind of debate from which one party can emerge as *undoubtedly rationally superior.”

MacIntyre combated the prejudice, uncritically affirmed by Taylor, that secular modernity is a historical dispensation from which there is no intellectual escape. He called his work a “radical renovation” of classical traditions of thought. Its most important consequence has been a growing confidence that the work of human reason can be undertaken in a context broader than that of modernity.

We would do well to listen to Taylor, but apprentice ourselves to MacIntyre. For Christians in a post-Christian culture will need to think in terms of the most expansive of all temporal horizons—a time, bounded by the beginning and the end of God’s holy purposes, that Augustine, writing at the end of another *epoch, called the saeculum.
 

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Mind expanding on your disdain for our Pontiff?
Certainly not disdain. I think he does a poor job of translating the magisterium. Whether intentionally or unintentionally, he creates ambiguity regarding the Church's teachings on a number of issues. He doesn't explain or elaborate on apparent contradictions. He has a tendency to speak in sound bites that are very easy to twist and manipulate.
 

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Certainly not disdain. I think he does a poor job of translating the magisterium. Whether intentionally or unintentionally, he creates ambiguity regarding the Church's teachings on a number of issues. He doesn't explain or elaborate on apparent contradictions. He has a tendency to speak in sound bites that are very easy to twist and manipulate.
I'll try to respond to this after work. I apologize if I sounded like I was insulting.

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Certainly not disdain. I think he does a poor job of translating the magisterium. Whether intentionally or unintentionally, he creates ambiguity regarding the Church's teachings on a number of issues. He doesn't explain or elaborate on apparent contradictions. He has a tendency to speak in sound bites that are very easy to twist and manipulate.

Sorry for the delay in the response. Do you mind providing an example of the "poor job of translating the magisterium"? I definitely understand why you think he is creating ambiguity around certain issues. We need look no further than the "who am I to judge?" quote, which has been misinterpreted since the day he said it.

I believe that much of the problem is that other than being an enormously popular and public figure, whose every move is documented, he is mostly reported to us through the MSM, which does not care to learn Church doctrine that Pope Francis appears to assume everyone knows. Again, look at the "who am I to judge?" quote? What the Pontiff said is not at all heretical or even heterodox, but a pastoral message. Pope Francis has stressed this importance almost since he was placed in the office. Take that quote, the MSM's obstinate refusal to even familiarize themselves with the basics, and encouraging Mercy, which many misinterpret as acceptance, and it's no wonder that the world is confused at the true message.
 

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O Death, where is your sting?
O Hell, where is your victory?

Christ is risen, and you are overthrown.
Christ is risen, and the demons are fallen.
Christ is risen, and the angels rejoice.
Christ is risen, and life reigns.
Christ is risen, and not one dead remains in the grave.

For Christ, being risen from the dead, is become the first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
To him be glory and dominion unto ages of ages. Amen.

– St. John Chrysostom

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First Things' Elliot Milco just published an article titled "The Future of American Catholicism":

Every practicing Catholic in America is stuck between two worlds. On one hand, he inhabits a broadly secular culture, one indifferent to claims about the transcendent, in which the currency of human exchange is always some mix of money, pleasure, and power. His participation in that culture is nearly constant—it surrounds him in mass media, on the internet, in patterns of speech, in social expectations, and in the aims and operations of his government. The modern Catholic in America is swimming in secularity.

On the other hand there is the Church, which stands apart from the sea of secularity, and offers a set of fundamental commitments and values. Here one makes vows that are lifelong and indissoluble. Here one's duties are insuperable and absolute. The currency of exchange put forward in the Church is based not on pleasure or power but truth, charity, and oblation. Here the economy of domination is swept away by the blood of the Lamb.

The tension between these two forces in American Catholic life causes a great deal of confusion. I suspect many Catholics exist in a state of double-think, where they see the world through Christ at Mass, see it through the lens of materialism at work, and maintain an incoherent mix of the two at home with their families. The tension remains unresolved for ordinary Catholics because of persistent ambiguities in the institutions (Church and State) to which each side is anchored.

When one recognizes that man is, in essence, a political animal, it is impossible to avoid the conclusion that the Catholic Church must, sooner or later, by virtue of its mission, seek to convert the public square and the powers which govern it to Christ. And yet, for decades, the Church hierarchy in the United States has maintained a cautious, hands-off approach to engagement in politics. It's not that the bishops have renounced the political duties of the Church, or that they have stopped speaking out about issues of natural right and justice. The disengagement is revealed more in the framing of their public appeals.

When they enter the public square to defend some moral truth or principle of justice, Church leaders tend to leave Christ behind and become benevolent humanitarians. How many times have we heard bishops oppose the Contraceptive Mandate on the grounds of the secular principle of religious liberty? And how many times have we heard them oppose it on the grounds of its incompatibility with the Gospel? Though not totally relegated to the private sphere, the Church's engagement in public affairs seems to take place mainly on secular terms, with the Church operating as just another defender of secular liberal values, albeit with a Christian slant.

This compromise, in which the Church maintains its right to speak politically by bowing to the secularity of the state, is the flip side of a compromise on the part of the state. The First Amendment binds the state to two principles. It limits the integration of the Church into government by outlawing the establishment of any state church. Taken broadly (as it has been historically) this principle guarantees that the government of the United States will be irreligious, that its jurisprudence will not flow from the Gospel, but from whatever political wisdom is naturally available. This limitation has effectively removed the Church from the key sites of political action, as we see today.

The First Amendment follows up this guarantee of political secularism with a guarantee of “free exercise” for religious groups, thus tying the hands of the state. But notice: The state limits itself, not as a recognition of eccesiastical rights over the sacred, but for its own reasons and by its own authority. The principle guaranteeing freedom of religion in America is not religious but secular—it places the Church under the authority of the state, even while limiting the exercise of that authority. The resulting tension has created the ambivalent “free exercise” in which Catholic bishops defend their faith publicly by speaking in favor of secular political principles. The Church is safe. Perhaps it is safe from state interference (perhaps not). But certainly it is no threat to the secular regime, because under this arrangement any claim the Church might make to independent authority or free exercise is adjudicated by a secular state court.

The tensions in American Catholicism are, in their origin, distinctively American, even though they have become more or less universal. Because liberalism was established here long before the revolutions of 1848, American Catholics had to find a modus vivendi in the modern liberal state well before it became clear in Rome that the same political arrangement lay in store for most of Christendom. This was both a blessing and a curse for the American hierarchy. A curse, because the bishops were forced to forge a new path, and their deviations from the norm were treated with (sometimes justified) suspicion by the Vatican. A blessing, because once the Church conceded to the reality of the modern liberal state in the 1960s, the American solution lay ready for the Church to take up and implement across the board. Thus American Catholicism, thanks to Dignitatis Humanae and John Courtney Murray, became a model for Global Catholicism's interaction with politics in the modern world.

There was a hope in the 1960s that the integrity of secular liberalism and its humanitarian values would dovetail with the mandates of the Gospel, making Church and State partners in the advancement of the material and spiritual welfare of mankind. Unfortunately, secular liberalism has continued on its own path. Far from becoming the friend to the Gospel envisioned by the Council Fathers at Vatican II, the modern liberal state has become host to a welter of nihilistic materialism and utilitarianism. As the liberal state moves further away from the Church, the balance between political secularism and free exercise shifts further and further toward the former, and the friendship once hoped for is replaced by hostility and oppression. Already there are a number of professions that cannot be occupied by Catholics in America. That number is increasing, and will continue to increase, as the state blesses the exclusion of Catholics from one area of public life after another.

In the present moment, that distinctively American Catholicism so lionized after Vatican II seems to have failed. For us, as American Catholics, this is rather embarrassing. With the pax between Church and State reaching its end, we need to re-think our political engagements and re-examine the foundations of the compromise, in order to better grasp the range of alternatives before us. This Saturday, the Thomistic Institute in New York City will be hosting a conference examining these issues. Participants will include R. R. Reno, George Weigel, Russell Hittinger, Michael Hanby, Phillip Muñoz, and Mary Eberstadt. Discussion is sure to be lively and productive.
 

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Bernie holds a very biblical view on helping those less fortunate, no?
Not even a little bit. "Help those less fortunate" sounds a lot like Jesus' teachings. But Sanders goes beyond that to "steal from the fortunate in the name of the less fortunate because the ends justify the means."
 

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Not even a little bit. "Help those less fortunate" sounds a lot like Jesus' teachings. But Sanders goes beyond that to "steal from the fortunate in the name of the less fortunate because the ends justify the means."

Is taxation stealing? I know this is a loaded topic, and I'm not a big politics guy, but the Church has always had mixed views on financial topics like this.

So wouldn't it be a good thing for Bernie to have a dialogue with the Vatican?
 

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Is taxation stealing? I know this is a loaded topic, and I'm not a big politics guy, but the Church has always had mixed views on financial topics like this.

So wouldn't it be a good thing for Bernie to have a dialogue with the Vatican?
Socialism and its ideological kin, communism, have proven throughout history to result in vast human rights violations and outright death. Bernie Sanders (and Pope Francis, for that matter) acts like socialism has never been tried and that all of our problems have been created by American capitalism. The fact is, American capitalism, imperfect though it may be, has resulted in the highest standard of living for the working class and the indigent of any society in human history. I've said this before, but you don't get credit for trying to help the poor if the policies you implement actually end up hurting the poor. "By their fruits ye shall know them."
 
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Awesome article Wiz! I absolutely see the premise of the article, that there is a good fit between the Pontiff's views, and Sanders platform.

I feel free to say that, because I remain as loyal to my Catholic roots as totally as anyone can who doesn't believe the world is ruled by supernatural forces that can change anything they desire at a whim.

I certainly have not been given to any kind of idolatry, whether it be money, war, power, or sex. I guess I just have too much respect for myself and my fellow humans, as with the divinity present in each of us.

Once you accept the challenge to emulate the life of Jesus (as remarkably ineptly as any of us can, especially me) you can open your eyes to the truth. You just don't need to be afraid anymore. And you can see that the call for morality and fairness to be injected or increased in our economic systems to promote fairness and universal well being, is truly in the path of 'the way' that Christ directed us to emulate.

There are thousands of examples clarifying such action throughout the New Testament, in his words and actions, and with those that followed him.

Also, one of the things that got lost by modern Christianity in his message was addressed earlier in the thread. Consciousness is ever changing. This is what Jesus' parables about forgiveness were all about. Why driving out demons was allegoric hyperbole.

I just immersed myself in studies and research that shows consistent results. Neural pathways develop different depending on a child's environment. Those of abused children, or impoverished children take on a predominant development that shows less neural paths (neurons housed in the area of your brain would send electrical messengers down the axons to the cell's center [soma] where it is then routed to a particular group of connected dendrites which would then release a chemical messenger to the new targeted group of neurons that are located next to it) and other similar characteristics to like subjects. It is all much different than with children not subjected to abuse or poverty.

Further :

With (cognitive behavioral) therapy, a patient is affected at a sub-behavioral level, so much so that the brains chemistry, and available pathways change. Though a patients behavior often reverts to original patterns at times of great stress, loss, or illness.

So, as our brain's chemistry, and operation changes, so do we. It takes much longer and is more involved than what we would expect by just changing some habits; but with time, and effective therapy, almost anyone can change -- change themselves literally! And when they do, their psyche changes, and so does their fundamental identity as a person.

This kind of puts a different light on some of the made-up dogma that has been injected in the Christian religion, but it is fully understood from a different perspective in both the Buddhist faith, and the original teachings of Christ.

And this directly ties back to any conversation about economics. Humans have evolved over the twenty odd centuries since Jesus lived on the earth. And with the technological explosion post WWII, today what our brains are being subjected to in every area of human understanding is being shaped by colossal forces, beyond what mankind has ever experienced, ones that affect each of us, and who we are.

That is why a call to advance morality to the very method of providing the economic backbone for society is growing significantly greater. And that is why we have an obligation to explore options and affect appropriate changes. All I see is Bernie and Francis making this call. Not hard to explain or defend at all!
 

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Here's a cool article describing the Christian concept of angels as the spiritual powers that govern our material world.

And here's a cool web comic illustrating Tolkein's creation myth, the Ainulindalë. The similarities should be obvious. Also helps explain why all of creation exists in a fallen state, and not just stubbornly free-willed humans.
 

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I had no idea where else to share this, so here goes.

Auguri a Roma! Still looking good after all of these years.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Auguri to the eternal city! Today <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rome?src=hash">#Rome</a> celebrated its 2,679th birthday <a href="https://t.co/WBb8TzRfcw">https://t.co/WBb8TzRfcw</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/italymagazine?src=hash">#italymagazine</a> <a href="https://t.co/KF63akN7s4">pic.twitter.com/KF63akN7s4</a></p>— Italy Magazine (@ItalyMagazine) <a href="https://twitter.com/ItalyMagazine/status/723181100294635522">April 21, 2016</a></blockquote>
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The Washington Free Beacon's Bill McMorris just published an article titled "An Elite Faith":

In 1927, American high society was swept up in a frantic religious mania. Leading politicians, intellectuals, philanthropists, educators, reporters, and scientists prophesied that the nation would be consumed by fire and brimstone in the form of “unfit” babies unless it offered up a sacrifice. The state of Virginia went before the U.S. Supreme Court, that temple of modernity, with an offering. Legendary progressive Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes looked upon Carrie Buck, a 19-year-old imbecile with an imbecilic mother and imbecilic bastard infant, and embraced his role as Solomon. It was too late to split Ms. Buck’s baby in half, but the country could take a scalpel to Ms. Buck’s fallopian tubes. “Three generations of imbeciles are enough,” Holmes wrote in Buck v. Bell, an 8-1 ruling that permitted the state to forcibly sterilize deficient citizens. Eugenicists cheered, Buck’s doctors operated, Moloch smiled.

Former New York Times editorial board member Adam Cohen recounts this ugly chapter in American history in Imbeciles: The Supreme Court, American Eugenics, and the Sterilization of Carrie Buck. Cohen proves himself a capable and comprehensive historian, documenting the pseudoscientific, bigoted, and fecundophobic tendencies of eugenics, a “secular religion” that inspired state and local governments to render more than 60,000 Americans impotent and infertile over a few decades. He offers a point-by-point refutation of twentieth century eugenics: how its proponents ginned up evidence through misapplied IQ tests and fudged statistics at the Eugenics Record Office; how their attempts to control “defective germplasm” were doomed to failure; how the entire ideology was fueled, at base, by class hatred.

Cohen convincingly shows that Buck’s attorney Irving Whitehead, a former board member of the mental institution attempting to sterilize her, rigged the case against his client. Whitehead bolstered the eugenicist argument with his cross examinations, failed to point out perjury by the doctors who declared Buck’s daughter imbecilic without examining her, buried evidence that Buck was of adequate intelligence, and turned constitutional arguments that brought down eugenic sterilization laws in other states into wet noodles.

The eugenicist’s effort to throw the case may have been unnecessary. Oliver Wendell Holmes was a true believer, his opinion dripping with hatred for the defective and their children without much semblance of legal scholarship at all. The opinion makes brief mention of Jacobson v. Massachusetts, a ruling that allowed states to enforce vaccination requirements, but offers no constitutional defense of coercive sterilization. Holmes instead based his decision on the social science of the day.

Cohen illuminates this history with primary documents, private letters, excerpts from eugenicist speeches, and the literature they circulated to lawmakers and newsmen. It is obvious he has done his homework.

With so much eugenic literature crammed between its covers, at times Imbeciles reads like a clown car of bad politics and bad science. Cohen tirelessly restates the facts of the case, beating the reader over the head with tidbits about Justice Holmes’ Boston Brahmin roots or some eugenicist’s mean-spirited prose or Carrie Buck’s sixth grade report card. Cohen’s repetitive rebuttals of the state’s case leaves the impression he thinks the reader feebleminded—that without his guidance we’d all be eugenicists. Did I mention the book is repetitive?

Cohen introduces his readers to the other eight Supreme Court justices with one biographical nugget to explain how the court came to an 8-1 decision. They vary in persuasiveness: Justice McReynolds was a bigot who was inclined to support eugenics, while others merely studied at colleges that employed eugenicists; Justice Butler, the lone dissenter, was Catholic.

Indeed, while elites converted en masse to eugenics, the one large constituency that opposed them at every turn was the Catholic Church, which countered that sterilization violated natural law. Cohen takes this opposition for granted, never exploring the meaning or roots of natural law and why it drove the church to quash sterilization in states such as Louisiana and New Jersey. Rather than confront sterilization on moral or philosophical grounds, Cohen bases his opposition on scientific grounds: Carrie Buck had a sixth grade education, sterilization alone couldn’t eliminate “feeblemindedness,” Jews, it turns out, are pretty smart (they just didn’t know English when the eugenicists gave them IQ tests). It is convenient that eugenics makes for crappy science, but what if it had checked out? Would that make it any more moral?

Cohen’s least convincing argument against Whitehead’s representation is that he did not prepare a Brandeis brief arguing against sterilization. A Brandeis brief relies on scholarly evidence to argue for the validity of law rather than relying on the Constitution to determine constitutionality, and the author introduces a few dissenting scientists who took issue with eugenics. It never occurs to Cohen that the eugenicist’s case was a Brandeis brief, which is probably why Justice Louis Brandeis joined the majority in Buck v. Bell. Science had yet to fully refute eugenics.

One of the most interesting aspects of Buck v. Bell is that it has never been overturned, despite its reputation as one of the most unjust Supreme Court decisions ever. Oregon performed its last forced sterilization while Ronald Reagan was president and the California penal system was found to have sterilized unwitting female prisoners in the twenty-first century. The eugenic mindset lives on, but its supporters have taken a different route to achieve their ends. Rather than forcibly sterilize the poor and despondent or segregate them in expensive mental institutions during the duration of their fertility, today’s elites help poor women sterilize themselves voluntarily. They promote “nurturing” policies like free birth control as a way to spare taxpayers the costs of caring for more imbeciles.

Of course, yesterday’s eugenicists thought they were nurturing, too. Buck’s supervisor, Dr. Albert Priddy, campaigned for forced sterilization for decades before Virginia’s sterilization law was enacted. He handpicked Buck as a plaintiff to bring before the Supreme Court. He argued for her sterilization before lower courts, saying she was “unquestionably” better off sterilized. The state, he reasoned, could release her from the mental institution once she posed no threat to society of having children. “Every human being craves liberty,” he testified.

Dr. Priddy died before the Supreme Court issued its ruling. He left behind no children.
 

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Richard Beck just published on his post Experimental Theology titled "Edging Toward Enchantment: Scooby Doo and the Journey Toward Disenchantment":

You might be unfamiliar with how we'll be using the terms enchantment and disenchantment, as sociological and cultural adjectives.

We're borrowing these terms from Charles Taylor's book A Secular Age.

As Taylor describes early in A Secular Age (p. 29), "the enchanted world [is] the world of spirits, demons [and] moral forces our predecessors acknowledged." Sometimes the enchanted world is called "pre-modern," as in before the Enlightenment and the technological and scientific revolutions that radically remolded the world and our relationship to the cosmos.

The pre-modern, enchanted world was spooky. Filled with occult forces, spirits, spells, superstitions and things that go bump in the night. Ghosts, witches, demons, devils and monsters.

Our "modern" world, by contrast, especially in the West, is experienced as disenchanted. Due to the amazing advances in science and technology over the last 500 years, instead of a spooky, spirit-filled world we've come to view the world mechanistically. The world isn't haunted, it's a machine. In our disenchanted world it's harder to believe in spiritual, supernatural, heavenly or miraculous things. Christians struggling with disenchantment struggle to believe in heaven, hell, the soul, angels, demons, the Devil, miracles, prayer, the supernatural stories in the Bible (like the resurrection of Jesus), and God.

On this blog and in my new book Reviving Old Scratch I like to use Scooby-Doo to describe our 500 year journey in the West from enchantment to disenchantment.

A Scooby-Doo episode starts with enchantment. When Scooby and the gang first come to a town there's a spook or monster plaguing the town. But as the episode progresses the kids get suspicious. They trap the monster to unmask a human criminal. The story that began in enchantment, with a spook, ends in disenchantment, with a human moral agent.

As I described in the last post, this is the same thing that happens when Christianity becomes disenchanted. The frame shifts away from the supernatural toward the moral. Christianity is about being a good person. Conservative Christians have a vision of what this moral personal looks like. Progressive Christians have a different vision of what this moral personal looks like. Regardless, the focus is the same: Christianity is about morality.

As it should and must be. But a thoroughly moralized and disenchanted Christianity raises all sorts of questions. For example: Why do you have to do religious things, like go to church on Sundays, to be a moral person? And if you don't have to believe in God, the Devil, miracles or life after death to practice the Golden Rule then what's the point of believing in any of these things?

Lots of Christians who are struggling with disenchantment don't have any good answers to these questions, and I think that's one of the big reasons so many Christians are drifting toward agnosticism and atheism.

Which makes me think that a thoroughly disenchanted Christianity just isn't sustainable.

At some point, for Christianity to remain vital and energized it has to reconnect with enchantment.

I can't find it now, but a year or two ago we had a good discussion about what separates fantasy from sci-fi as a genre. I think a sense of enchantment is probably the biggest difference.
 

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In case anybody was wondering, yes this has been studied before, and it was found at that time to be as the Church has always taught: that a deaconness in the early Church did not perform the same duties as a deacon and no women were ordained.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just a head's up, when the Vatican says they're going to "study" a matter it's like when your parents told you they'd "think about it."</p>— Chad Pecknold (@ccpecknold) <a href="https://twitter.com/ccpecknold/status/730740973844729856">May 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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"Today, I don’t think that there is a fear of Islam as such but of ISIS and its war of conquest, which is partly drawn from Islam. It is true that the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam, however, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms of the same idea of conquest."
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"Today, I don’t think that there is a fear of Islam as such but of ISIS and its war of conquest, which is partly drawn from Islam. It is true that the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam, however, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms of the same idea of conquest."
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You wouldn't say that the Gospel conquers the hearts of sinners?
 

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You wouldn't say that the Gospel conquers the hearts of sinners?
Oh come on. Even if that's what he was going for, which I very much doubt, you don't use these cute little turns of phrase in order to rationalize GODDAMN ISIS.
 

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Oh come on. Even if that's what he was going for, which I very much doubt, you don't use these cute little turns of phrase in order to rationalize GODDAMN ISIS.

I really don't see that as rationalizing ISIS. At all. C'mon, Wiz, I know you're smart. Do you really think that Pope Francis is rationalizing ISIS, a group he has publicly denounced?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/02/16/pope-francis-denounces-isis-beheadings-their-blood-confesses-christ/

Or is it more likely that the Pope is using these words to remind us that we Christians are called to spread the Gospel to all nations?

Matthew 28: 16-20 (the Great Commission il Papa is referencing)

Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
 

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I really don't see that as rationalizing ISIS. At all. C'mon, Wiz, I know you're smart. Do you really think that Pope Francis is rationalizing ISIS, a group he has publicly denounced?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/02/16/pope-francis-denounces-isis-beheadings-their-blood-confesses-christ/
He's legitimizing the "conquest at the heart of Islam" by pointing out that there's a supposed similar "conquest at the heart of Christianity." I know he's not pro-ISIS, but his equivocation of this tenant of Islam with an analogous one in Christianity distorts the outright evil of groups like ISIS.

It's the old "trains ran on time in Nazi Germany" argument. Even if that's true, you don't use it as an argument in favor of efficient government because it's NAZI GERMANY.

Or is it more likely that the Pope is using these words to remind us that we Christians are called to spread the Gospel to all nations?

Matthew 28: 16-20 (the Great Commission il Papa is referencing)
Then why talk about ISIS at all? If you want to talk about evangelization, don't bring up ISIS. And if you want to talk about ISIS, don't talk about the merits of evangelization. Christian evangelism should never be on the same side of an analogy as radical Islamic terrorism.
 
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